• (UK) Allow fracking in national parks, says Environment Agency chief
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Fuck that. Fuck him. Fuck everyone that supports this idea. Fuck.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45240988]Fracking is totally safe if done properly, obviously if they can regulate it to the point that virtually nothing can go wrong, then there's no reason to be afraid of fracking. It's not that fracking is inherently bad, it's that energy/petroleum countries are corrupt and lazy.[/QUOTE] I recall a study from the leading fracking engineer in the US reporting that nearly 50% of wells fail to stop leaks within 5 years. I have to look for this but it was in Gaslands [editline]29th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JustExtreme;45245495]Found this in the comments: [editline]29th June 2014[/editline] Is it lies?[/QUOTE] It's highly likely it might be poisoning the ground water in several areas in the US.
[QUOTE=SuicideZ;45241078]Could the people disagreeing on this explain why? It is safe if done properly. Most negativity towards the subject is from examples where it isn't done properly.[/QUOTE] Crossing the street is safe if done properly, but you can still get hit by a car while you're doing it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45250286]I recall a study from the leading fracking engineer in the US reporting that nearly 50% of wells fail to stop leaks within 5 years. I have to look for this but it was in Gaslands [editline]29th June 2014[/editline] It's highly likely it might be poisoning the ground water in several areas in the US.[/QUOTE] Gaslands was complete propaganda. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/24/24greenwire-groundtruthing-academy-award-nominee-gasland-33228.html?pagewanted=all[/url]
[QUOTE=SuicideZ;45245674] As sloppy joe has said that nothing is wrong if done [I]properly[/I].[/QUOTE] It causes earthquakes. There's never been a quake larger than 4.0 attributed to fracking but the USGS isn't ruling out the possibility. Basically if we're causing earthquakes it's time to stop
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45251002]It causes earthquakes. There's never been a quake larger than 4.0 attributed to fracking but the USGS isn't ruling out the possibility. Basically if we're causing earthquakes it's time to stop[/QUOTE] "Green" geothermal energy also causes earthquakes. We should stop that as well then.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45251002]It causes earthquakes. There's never been a quake larger than 4.0 attributed to fracking but the USGS isn't ruling out the possibility. [b]Basically if we're causing earthquakes it's time to stop[/b][/QUOTE] [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298814/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1][b]OR WE RENAME FRACKING TO DESTINI![/b][/url] :v:
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45250735]Gaslands was complete propaganda. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/24/24greenwire-groundtruthing-academy-award-nominee-gasland-33228.html?pagewanted=all[/url][/QUOTE] The NY times piece brings up some good points and misses some others. The report "Debunking Gasland" is from the petroleum industry. Are you going to take their word on an issue they stand to lose millions over? [editline]29th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45251066]"Green" geothermal energy also causes earthquakes. We should stop that as well then.[/QUOTE] yeah that's fine let's just go nuclear already
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45251096]The NY times piece brings up some good points and misses some others. The report "Debunking Gasland" is from the petroleum industry. Are you going to take their word on an issue they stand to lose millions over? [editline]29th June 2014[/editline] yeah that's fine let's just go nuclear already[/QUOTE] We do need to expand nuclear. I agree with you on that one. And I understand that the report "Debunking Gasland" is from the energy sector, but the NYT report was their own reporting and debunking, not the petroleum industry or gasland's reporting. That's why the NYT report shows that not all points in gasland are false, just that many are over exaggerated for sensationalism.
Yeah, I know they're exaggerated but they are there and they are actual problems.
Or you could just invest in biofuel corporations to remove the need for drilling fossil fuckin' fuels!
[QUOTE=ZombieWaffle;45251147]Or you could just invest in biofuel corporations to remove the need for drilling fossil fuckin' fuels![/QUOTE] growing fuel crops is such a bad idea
But the problems aren't from fracking itself. The "groundwater contamination" problems come from bad well casings, which could happen in ANY drilling operation (drilling a well oil, natural gas, all of these have cement casings that can fail). It's not a problem that's specific to fracking as gasland makes it out to be. Also, the chemicals can't "seep" into ground water from fracking because the fracking is happening thousands of feet BELOW the aquifers and water tables. It doesn't "seep upwards". If it could, you would have water seeping up from the ground anywhere there is an aquifer. But in the end, most of these problems have to do with drilling in general, NOT with fracking. Hydraulic fracturing is a safe procedure. Earthquakes can be caused by MANY things. Hell, here at LSU, an earthquake was caused during a football game by THE PEOPLE IN THE STADIUM. The problems highlighted in gasland are over exaggerated and are meant to promote action based on emotions rather than logic.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45251096] [editline]29th June 2014[/editline] yeah that's fine let's just go nuclear already[/QUOTE] Nuclear isn't a good idea. In today's climate with everything being privatised nuclear power is a monopolists wet dream. The set up cost is huge, meaning any startups will not have a chance of setting up. The big energy and oil companies which exist now will just continue their strangle hold over people with nuclear instead of fossil fuels. The only solution would be to have them publicly owned but then you have people whining about communism and then a few years down the line you'll get some sneaky git selling it to his mates company for a discount rate anyway. Nuclear isn't the way to go, decentralised power through wind or solar is better. [editline]30th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45251188]But the problems aren't from fracking itself. The "groundwater contamination" problems come from bad well casings, which could happen in ANY drilling operation (drilling a well oil, natural gas, all of these have cement casings that can fail). It's not a problem that's specific to fracking as gasland makes it out to be. [/QUOTE] Just because that problem isn't specific to fracking doesn't mean fracking is ok, we should be moving away from fossil fuels rather than finding ever more damaging and expensive ways of extracting a finite fuel.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45251004]Then it may as well be unsafe because the corrupt corporations are going to be the ones doing it.[/QUOTE] Indeed. Just because when done "properly" it's safe doesn't mean large corporations with humongous all-consuming profit boners are going to do it that way. I'd imagine doing it properly is more costly which detracts from the profit so the corrupt scumbags will just keep doing it the unsafe way.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45241388] With regards to the Thorium reactor: [URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1mpt7l/lftrs_in_5_minutes_thorium_reactors/ccbmxdm[/URL]. I'm not against green energy, but I think fracking gets a bad rap because of misinformation.[/QUOTE] But this comment goes on to talk about how much better thorium is than any LFTR. Did you only read the first few sentences?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45240988]Fracking is totally safe if done properly, obviously if they can regulate it to the point that virtually nothing can go wrong, then there's no reason to be afraid of fracking. It's not that fracking is inherently bad, it's that energy/petroleum countries are corrupt and lazy.[/QUOTE] I can't see whats safe about pumping water saturated with toxic chemicals forcibly into the ground and thus the ground water
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45251153]growing fuel crops is such a bad idea[/QUOTE] It's not just fuel crops that can be refined. I believe algae is also a good source of biofuel production.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;45254824]I can't see whats safe about pumping water saturated with toxic chemicals forcibly into the ground and thus the ground water[/QUOTE] If you think it's that simple, then you haven't done any research on it.
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