Change.org Petition Wants ANTIFA Declared a ‘Terrorist Organization’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=papaya;51799008]i dont have "Don't follow me if you're a jontron fan" anywhere on my page and idubbbz frequently uses the n word and faggot in his videos but go off i guess[/QUOTE] Papaya it's 2017, it's ok to say nigger - especially when you're talking about the word nigger, rather than calling someone a nigger. Just using words like faggot or nigger doesn't make someone homophobic or racist, it's all about context and the person saying them. And Idubbbz is far from a homophobe or racist. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Off topic" - Pascall))[/highlight]

he's calling people those slurs tho so idk how thats not homophobic or racist its pretty much textbook

[QUOTE=papaya;51799113]he's calling people those slurs tho so idk how thats not homophobic or racist its pretty much textbook[/QUOTE] He's not even calling people niggers out there, when he does use it he mostly uses it to make fun of himself (as such, calling himself a nigger faggot) Now can you stop derailing this thread and talk about antifa instead?

-snip disengaging offtopic-

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51799146]He's not even calling people niggers out there, when he does use it he mostly uses it to make fun of himself (as such, calling himself a nigger faggot)[/QUOTE] when I made a post a while back wondering why he made a video called 'disabled pokemon go' where he, a very obviously not disabled person, was crawling on his hands and knees, it got screencapped and put on the idubbbz subreddit, where a good few people on there (and a few more directly towards me, via asks) called me that. So, no, he or at least his fanbase are a pile of homophobes. and I'm not the one who derailed this thread lmfao, I wasn't the one who posted someone's tumblr as a way of invalidating their argument.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;51797776]I've been sitting on this one for a while, laughing to myself. [t]http://i.imgur.com/RtjAxOr.jpg[/t] [B]yes.[/B] [editline]8th February 2017[/editline] "Don't follow me if you're a jontron fan" lmao[/QUOTE] How can idubbbz be a homophobe if he's gay?

[QUOTE=papaya;51799178]I'm not the one who derailed this thread lmfao, I wasn't the one who posted someone's tumblr as a way of invalidating their argument.[/QUOTE] "I am not the one who started it therefore its not bad if I continue doing so"

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51799146]He's not even calling people niggers out there, when he does use it he mostly uses it to make fun of himself (as such, calling himself a nigger faggot) Now can you stop derailing this thread and talk about antifa instead?[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure the others made it off topic by posting his blog and attacking that If you wanna call one person out for being offtopic... you should probably do it to the others to considering he's just responding to it Imo

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51794449]No thanks, keep them fully legal and just lock people up on an individual basis. If violence is needed to bring down tyranny & bigotry (since those who lead or follow it rarely actually [I]listen[/I]), then violence is (sadly) a necessary evil. Then there's good violence and bad violence. Punching some nazi douchefuck in the face is A-OK with me. Lighting shit on fire? Probably not the best idea. Unless the shit in question belongs to previously mentioned nazi. Then go ahead lol.[/QUOTE] How can you be so dense that you don't understand the irony in your way of thinking? Imagine if your political views were shunned by a group and labeled extremist and wrong regardless if you actually hold extremist views or not just because they disagree with you. There are actual concrete concerns about the current immigrational situation that people are afraid to express because of the very real threat of violence and ostracism that groups like Antifa represent.

[QUOTE=papaya;51799113]he's calling people those slurs tho so idk how thats not homophobic or racist its pretty much textbook[/QUOTE] Papa. The key to winning any conflict is be smarter then the opposition. There is more to war then face to face violence. Wanna bring down the alt right? Read up on some counter insurgency manuals. I suggest wars of the third kind by Edward rice to get started. Right now the left is being alt rights cat paw or manchurian canidate. Milo for example trolled antifa to destroy a leftist campus, leftist business es and destroyed leftist movements image which might have made a few on your side deconvert or even convert to the alt right. This is not being smarter then the opposition. Its called being played.

Oh one more thing. I lurk on various forums of various views. If one were to go to an alt right one or facism, many claim they used to be far left. The biggest pool of recruits for racists it seems those who spent most of their life fighting it

antifa is good

[QUOTE=Snake7;51801118]antifa is good[/QUOTE] i disagree.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51801153]i disagree.[/QUOTE] i disagree

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51801108]Oh one more thing. I lurk on various forums of various views. If one were to go to an alt right one or facism, many claim they used to be far left. The biggest pool of recruits for racists it seems those who spent most of their life fighting it[/QUOTE] because people never lie to make themselves seem more legitimate

[QUOTE=Snake7;51801265]i disagree[/QUOTE] It appears we are at an impasse. Why do you think Antifa is good?

[QUOTE=Snake7;51801118]antifa is good[/QUOTE] You're absolutely delusional if you really think they're good when you've shown a distaste for misogyny in the Gamergate thread and still think it's about hating women today, but think ANTIFA is good despite there being video evidence of ANTIFA members physically attacking the public including [B]women[/B]. You honestly need to take a good look at your self and see where your morals stand cause honestly it looks like trash to me when you're this easily swayed and close minded.

People from the GG thread (which doesnt even exist anymore as far as I an tell) coming around and throwing grudges onto others is one of the weirdest things I've seen on FP Its been like a year or more since I posted in that thread at least, don't know about snake's case but peoples views are more nuanced and subject to change to where what they've expressed in the GG thread in the past may not even be what they think now or probably arent even relevant to other issues Idk what misogyny has to do with antifa anyway, seems like a pretty big reach there

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51801108]Oh one more thing. I lurk on various forums of various views. If one were to go to an alt right one or facism, many claim they used to be far left. The biggest pool of recruits for racists it seems those who spent most of their life fighting it[/QUOTE] it's reasonable to assume that people who aren't interested in nuance swing more easily between extremes, maintaining a centrist position takes a lot of effort

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51801853]People from the GG thread (which doesnt even exist anymore as far as I an tell) coming around and throwing grudges onto others is one of the weirdest things I've seen on FP Its been like a year or more since I posted in that thread at least, don't know about snake's case but peoples views are more nuanced and subject to change to where what they've expressed in the GG thread in the past may not even be what they think now or probably arent even relevant to other issues Idk what misogyny has to do with antifa anyway, seems like a pretty big reach there[/QUOTE] I'm not comparing the two. I'm pointing out Snake7's repeated hypocrisy based on his shit posting history.

[QUOTE=idiot;51801857]it's reasonable to assume that people who aren't interested in nuance swing more easily between extremes, maintaining a centrist position takes a lot of effort[/QUOTE] Well you can lurk yourself, but it is nothing new. In the book "In praise of doubt" by peter berger, he mentions various trends among extremists through out history. To me there is no such thing as a centrist. There are moderates and not moderates aka extremists. To me if a person follows the behavior patterns of a fanatic, they re a bigot. There are similarities between various extremists. That what matters most to me. The idea they push forward is irrelevant. For example the average profile of an ISIsS recruit. [url]http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/15/news/economy/isis-recruit-characteristics/[/url] Most of them are Early 20s to early 30s. V. Oat (can't find link right now) has released details of the anti fa MILO Berkeley rioters. Most of them Were males around similar age range. What's going on is the same psychological and biological profile that occurs DESPITE the ideology pushed forward.

Signed. Really don't like the idea of antifa.

Some people here talk about AntiFa as if it is a single organization. In reality there are multiple groups across the world who call themselves AntiFa, AFA or any other variation/abbreviation of "Anti-Fascist Action". And they all operate somewhat differently and independently from eachother within a decentralized structure. As such, some groups are significantly more militant than others, while some groups prefer to just plaster their hometowns with stickers and posters, organize demonstrations and not engage in violent direct action. So calling AntiFa as a whole a terrorist organization comes across as somewhat generalizing. Even with the more militant groups, I can't say their actions are on the same level as actual terrorist organisations that blow shit up and kill people. That said, I'm not a big fan of vigilantism, property damage and unecessary rioting. But I still agree with the notion that fascism should be supressed by any means necessary, and not be legitimized.

The fact that anti-fascist groups exist and are active at all is a [I]good thing[/I], in my eyes, even if some of them behave questionably.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51820086]The fact that anti-fascist groups exist and are active at all is a [I]good thing[/I], in my eyes, even if some of them behave questionably.[/QUOTE] Facism is a reactionary ideology. Remove the elements and conditions within a society that create that reaction and racism would not appear.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51820098]Facism is a reactionary ideology. Remove the elements and conditions within a society that create that reaction and racism would not appear.[/QUOTE] thats pretty optimistic

[QUOTE=KillRay;51796371]you didnt prove any of those were antifa though. most of those come from the anarchist sub and anarchist news too. not anti fa. its not the same thing. i can link a picture of a dude smashing a random window too and say its you, your tiny ass sources were shit dude you just cant keep focus long enough to prove me wrong smh fam [editline]8th February 2017[/editline] people donating to support a nonviolent antifa organization is a statistic of people who support nonviolence in the movement[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ55KyNrO6A[/media] This is what antifa means in europe, supporting this shit causes more damage than fascists themselves

[QUOTE=KillRay;51820101]thats pretty optimistic[/QUOTE] Not optimistic. Pointing out the nature of the beast. Roaches can only exist and thrive where there is filth. Remove the filth and you get no roaches. Like I said before, countering facism should be treated as an counter insurgency operation. If you are serious, then I have some books on the subject you should read.

Genuinely curious how fucked up things need to get before everyone who says 'violence is unacceptable' acquiesce to the fact that violence is necessary to prevent the rise of fascism? Like, do we need another Hitler, or can we nip it in the bud??

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51820155]Not optimistic. Pointing out the nature of the beast. Roaches can only exist and thrive where there is filth. Remove the filth and you get no roaches. Like I said before, countering facism should be treated as an counter insurgency operation. If you are serious, then I have some books on the subject you should read.[/QUOTE] No, it's just optimistic to think of large forces in society as simply being gotten rid of, especially something as universal as reactionary or anti-establishment sentiments. IMO the best that can be done is to reduce dissatisfaction and promote reasonable discourse to prevent the causes, but at worse just create an environment which lets people get it out of their system. [QUOTE=Lonestriper;51820317]Genuinely curious how fucked up things need to get before everyone who says 'violence is unacceptable' acquiesce to the fact that violence is necessary to prevent the rise of fascism? Like, do we need another Hitler, or can we nip it in the bud??[/QUOTE] You know who else used violence to do what he thought was necessary? Hitler. I'm serious on that. Keep violence as something that is always unacceptable, because you don't know fucked up until you make violence the norm and see what fascists are capable of doing. You're only shooting yourself in the foot by trying to beat them into submission.