Gender-equal snow removal procedure leaves stockholm paralyzed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51405577][URL="http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/007/wat.png"]I just, I... how?[/URL] To be serious: as a feminist it makes me so sad that some feminists are concentrating on extremely useless issues such as this instead of the real issues many women face in other countries.[/QUOTE] Putting women before men isn't feminism. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51405894]I'm not really keen on this term because it lumps in all of the actually sane feminists with the crazies, and suggests that they all share the same radical goals. However the last decade's upsurge in radical "SJW" agendas (usually spreading online) does mark a deviation from third-wave feminism, so some people call it fourth-wave feminism. Sounds fair enough.[/QUOTE] Third wave "feminism" was always like this.

So why do people still vote for these parties? I'm actually curious, please tell me.

We're still feeling the effects from this at work. Deliveries are over a week behind in that region. You'd think they'd learn after all these years but nope.

[QUOTE=27X;51406237]Putting women before men isn't feminism. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] Third wave "feminism" was always like this.[/QUOTE] No it wasn't. Third-wave feminism is just a rejection of second-wave feminism. Second-wave was primarily lead by white, middle-class western women speaking of a singular experience for all women (and also saw the rise of radical feminists.) Third-wave feminism emerged to represent women across different backgrounds and cultures. The various, conflicting opinions throughout the third-wave (for instance moderate vs. radical) are secondary to that. So, referring to a radical online "social justice" movement as a new wave is entirely justified.

[QUOTE=megafat;51405502]Fucking irony.[/QUOTE] That's an addition from the english source. The swedish source mentions how the project was intent on prioritising "commuting lanes" in front of private car-only roads.

Jesus christ. What is this mess of a thread? The amount of misinformation is just honestly staggering. We need to get a few things straight here, the first is that this was the largest snowfall in Stockholm in 111 years this time of year. This is kind of a big deal, this means that the municipality and the general public weren't prepared for the huge amount of sudden snow that we got. And this boils down to basically one problem that is to blame for the chaos of snow removal that ensued, and no the gender-equal snow removal isn't to blame here. Why? Simply because it wasn't even in use during this snow chaos. The simple reason for that? Ethical problems regarding work and hiring practices. The way snow removal used to work in Stockholm and other municipalities is that when it snowed the office for traffic management would open up their doors for students, alcoholics, homeless and other people with free time on their hands and with a need for a quick buck, to work on a day by day basis. Basically, were there a need for snowshuffling in the city? Great! Come here tomorrow morning and work all day, here's a shovel now get out of my face and do your job. Now Sweden has evolved to a country signified by a strong workers rights movement with workers unions having a strong say in the countries politics. And because of this, the way of day to day work has been phased out from municipalities like Stockholm for the rather [I]simple[/I] reason of it being unethical to hire people in that way and give them such insecure jobs day by day. The result of this is that the norm for municipalities is to hire people and businesses on contract for several months, basically you are on a steady payroll for 4 months wether or not there is any snowfall. There might be some people that are hired outside of this period, but mostly it's stupid to pay people to plow when there isn't anything to plow, and then this happened. Quite out of the blue, the biggest snowfall in november in 111 years and suddenly there was a problem. This is what the debate should be about. Workers rights and wether or not it is unethical to hire people on a day to day basis or if that's just the way it has to be done. Source for this in Swedish can be found here [URL]https://kit.se/2016/11/11/67188/hur-svart-kan-det-vara-att-skotta-undan/[/URL] And to end this rant, gender equal snow plowing has nothing to do with this situation. That is a completely different question that in contrast to what has been discussed in this thread isn't a feminazi conspiracy but rather a feminist studies in Urban and Regional planning 101. Cities are used differently by the different genders, women aren't attributed to the sidewalks but it's a simple statistical fact that women walk more and are more dependent on the use of public transport than men that rely more heavily on the use of a car. The gender equal snow plowing isn't about plowing sidewalks before major traffic routes, that's a complete misunderstanding, gender equal snow plowing is about moving bus stops, bicycle lanes and sidewalks up the priority list from the bottom of the barrel. But still behind roads. To end this with a translated quote from the article I linked "'Our main objective is to make the central societal needs safe.' This means that they first plow highways, bussroutes and major traffic routes. 'The most important thing is for emergency services to be able to get everywhere, the secondary focus is public transport.'"

[QUOTE=DrStoopid;51405539]Yeah, it's pretty much this. I gotta admit it's a bit funny, but this was the worst snowfall Stockholm had seen in decades, and no matter what it's very hard to prepare for stuff like that. Of course you can blame it all on the "progressive" left but this happens every time snow falls in Stockholm, and has for my whole life, it's just that this time it was extra bad. Whoever's not in charge is gonna blame the other side instead of coming up with something that would actually solve the problem. Just look at this crap from the aftonbladet editorial: Yeah... It can't be that hard, right? Except the same thing would've happened if someone else was in charge, the only difference would've been that the aftonbladet editorial would've been written by someone from the green party, writing about how it's impossible to fund transport infrastructure with these low low taxes. And honestly, had this article not had the "feminist progressives ruins the day again" headline, would anyone outside of sweden really give a shit about it? I mean, I'm swedish and I barely care.[/QUOTE] Listen, record snowfall doesn't excuse this. Main artery roads c and avenues should've been prioritized but because of this new regulation not only were they on the lower end, it's obvious it didn't leave much room for decision.

[QUOTE=Nabruno;51406383] And to end this rant, gender equal snow plowing has nothing to do with this situation. That is a completely different question that in contrast to what has been discussed in this thread isn't a feminazi conspiracy but rather a feminist studies in Urban and Regional planning 101. Cities are used differently by the different genders, women aren't attributed to the sidewalks but it's a simple statistical fact that women walk more and are more dependent on the use of public transport than men that rely more heavily on the use of a car. The gender equal snow plowing isn't about plowing sidewalks before major traffic routes, that's a complete misunderstanding, gender equal snow plowing is about moving bus stops, bicycle lanes and sidewalks up the priority list from the bottom of the barrel. But still behind roads. To end this with a translated quote from the article I linked "'Our main objective is to make the central societal needs safe.' This means that they first plow highways, bussroutes and major traffic routes. 'The most important thing is for emergency services to be able to get everywhere, the secondary focus is public transport.'"[/QUOTE] but then why would they call it GENDER FUCKING EQUAL SNOW PLOWING It's the most retarded name possible

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51406342]No it wasn't. Third-wave feminism is just a rejection of second-wave feminism. Second-wave was primarily lead by white, middle-class western women speaking of a singular experience for all women (and also saw the rise of radical feminists.) Third-wave feminism emerged to represent women across different backgrounds and cultures. The various, conflicting opinions throughout the third-wave (for instance moderate vs. radical) are secondary to that. So, referring to a radical online "social justice" movement as a new wave is entirely justified.[/QUOTE] 2nd wave feminism has no color nor profile' nor any need for one. Your conflated definition is just that, and a trite example of why 3rd wave "feminism" isn't feminism at all.

Reminds me of when a Swedish Firefighter chief said that their primary goal was to open a dialogue with people.

[QUOTE=Nabruno;51406383]The gender equal snow plowing isn't about plowing sidewalks before major traffic routes, that's a complete misunderstanding, gender equal snow plowing is about moving bus stops, bicycle lanes and sidewalks up the priority list from the bottom of the barrel. But still behind roads. To end this with a translated quote from the article I linked "'Our main objective is to make the central societal needs safe.' This means that they first plow highways, bussroutes and major traffic routes. 'The most important thing is for emergency services to be able to get everywhere, the secondary focus is public transport.'"[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if I get this right but isn't this just the normal order of clearing snow? Highways, bus routes, other roads first in this order, then sidewalks and bicycle lanes if possible? Whats different here?

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51406406]but then why would they call it GENDER FUCKING EQUAL SNOW PLOWING[/QUOTE] By changing the priority from snow plowing all roads above anything else so that cars can get around( meaning the most rural of roads must be plowed because the car is the focus) to also prioritising sidewalks to and from the bus stop so that people can travel easier by public transport. The focus in snow removal goes from a priority that focuses on a mainly male demographic of transport users to a more gender equal one, meaning that both genders transport use is in focus. That's the simple answer. For a more in depth answer about Stockholms traffic issues and politics please press one. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kecske;51406439]I'm not sure if I get this right but isn't this just the normal order of clearing snow? Highways, bus routes, other roads first in this order, then sidewalks and bicycle lanes if possible? Whats different here?[/QUOTE] The difference is a stronger focus on sidewalks and bicycle lanes snow removal rather than a blind focus on roads. Stockholm has had quite a lot of problems with a neglect in sidewalk and bicycle lane snow plowing overall, with them often resorting to being the site for the road snow to be dumped. Which is why a debate for a more equal snow plowing has been a thing and has been implemented to some degree.

i think i heard something like this suggested for helsinki as well but im not sure lol

I'm going to wake up any moment now..... Aaaaaany moment now...

[QUOTE=Nabruno;51406451]By changing the priority from snow plowing all roads above anything else so that cars can get around( meaning the most rural of roads must be plowed because the car is the focus) to also prioritising sidewalks to and from the bus stop so that people can travel easier by public transport. The focus in snow removal goes from a priority that focuses on a mainly male demographic of transport users to a more gender equal one, meaning that both genders transport use is in focus. That's the simple answer. For a more in depth answer about Stockholms traffic issues and politics please press one.[/QUOTE] makes sense to me to plow rural roads before urban sidewalks. making a trudge through the snowy sidewalks to the bus stop is annoying and not fun but far safer and easier to do than attempting to drive rural roads covered in snow. if you need supplies and you live in a city, it is easier to manage getting to a store even if the sidewalks are all covered. if you live out in the sticks and need supplies, you likely will have a dangerous journey if there is much snow on the roads. say you get into a bad accident, it could be hours before anyone even sees you've crashed let alone receive help from an ambulance. if you slip and fall on a sidewalk in the city, you're far more likely to get help quicker.

People tend to stop walking on the sidewalk and take a motorized vehicle when the weathers goes really bad, so why focus on clearing up sidewalks first?

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51406729]People tend to stop walking on the sidewalk and take a motorized vehicle when the weathers goes really bad, so why focus on clearing up sidewalks first?[/QUOTE] Because many people either don't own one or don't feel like taking one to go to a nearby place.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51406752]Because many people either don't own one or don't feel like taking one to go to a nearby place.[/QUOTE] despite it being much more unsafe for cars to be on the roads that people are walking on if said roads have a lot of snow?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51406752]Because many people either don't own one or don't feel like taking one to go to a nearby place.[/QUOTE] Then they take the bus, a vehicle that uses the road. It is warm in the bus, not cold like outside on the sidewalk. It is also easier to transport groceries if you happen to need some. You won't need to carry it all the way. Around my town, the colder it gets, the less people are on the sidewalk.

Just reading 'Gender-equal snow removal' fucking sent me in hysterics... How, of all things, can [B][I]snow removal[/I][/B] be sexist?

[QUOTE=27X;51406419]2nd wave feminism has no color nor profile' nor any need for one. Your conflated definition is just that, and a trite example of why 3rd wave "feminism" isn't feminism at all.[/QUOTE] That first sentence is proven wrong by the existence of third-wave feminism. If women of all backgrounds felt properly represented by the second-wave, then they wouldn't have rejected its ideals and started a new wave. A "conflated definition" is what you've given by claiming that third-wave and radical feminism have [I]always[/I] been the same thing. Unless you think it's radical for women of diverse backgrounds to represent their own experiences, that's not true. There still plenty of agreeable third-wave feminists, just as there are radical snow removal nutters.

[quote]The city government is intent on putting as much civic energy into clearing bike paths and sidewalks used by environmentally- and fitness-minded women as into the roads frequented by male-dominated motor vehicle traffic.[/quote] What the fuck am I reading hahahahaha I mean... hahahaahahah I just can't comment on this straight even... No wait wait... Let's not clear the road for cars and trucks and buses because they are only driven by men, who are evil ofc, and clear the sidewalks first, because ONLY women use sidewalks and bikes for such things as fitness and being good for the environment. All of that after what may have been a FUCKING SNOWSTORM. COME ON! THE JOKES WRITE ALL BY THEMSELVES

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51406809]Then they take the bus, a vehicle that uses the road. It is warm in the bus, not cold like outside on the sidewalk. It is also easier to transport groceries if you happen to need some. You won't need to carry it all the way. Around my town, the colder it gets, the less people are on the sidewalk.[/QUOTE] Why would I take a bus if I can do stuff perfectly fine on foot? Except of course when sidewalks are full of snow or frozen over with ice. I shouldn't have to pay for a bus since proper care isn't taken of sidewalks. I'm a pedestrian and I pay taxes, why can't I expect clean sidewalks? Is even that too much to ask?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51406752]Because many people either don't own one or don't feel like taking one to go to a nearby place.[/QUOTE] Yes its a really good idea to not clear the streets for cars. It's not like people have long distances to go to and want to be confortable. They can just use the sidewalks for miles out in the cold.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51407006]Yes its a really good idea to not clear the streets for cars. It's not like people have long distances to go to and want to be confortable. They can just use the sidewalks for miles out in the cold.[/QUOTE] Why not just, you know, clean both? For some reason sidewalks are barely cleaned.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51407026]Why not just, you know, clean both? For some reason sidewalks are barely cleaned.[/QUOTE] there are only so many people that are able to plow the roads and only so much equipment to plow the roads with. roads get the priority because the economy depends more on clear roads than it does on clear sidewalks. unless you raise taxes and spend more money on equipment and hiring of people to clear the roads [i]and[/i] clear the sidewalks, you have to prioritize, and roads just have more economic and safety benefits than sidewalks do. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] you can't say "just clean both", shit doesn't work that way. it takes people, equipment, and time to do that, and those three things take more money, and thus more taxes. additionally, where do you suggest the snow should go when it is plowed? it doesn't disappear. plowing it off the road would push it onto the sidewalk, and plowing it off the sidewalk would push it onto the road. you maybe could plow some of it into a parking lot, but if you're plowing all the snow from the sidewalks and the road there you're going to have massive piles of snow in parking lots that will take weeks to melt if not longer. if you did do that, you still wouldn't be able to get all of the snow into lots. so where will it go? [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] you can't melt the snow either, even if you had the actual capability to melt all of it. that much water freezing into ice would make neither the sidewalks nor the roads safe to travel on in any capacity.

They say temperature correlates with murders and people doing crazy things. Proof climate change is real.

This is what radical feminism in high places does, fuck shit up. Fuck these gay ass politicians. The Left-Green is a disaster for the country.

You know, I'll just say it if you have to try and be X equal, you aren't gender equal. Like if you can't just be equal naturally without saying anything then don't bother and piss off

While I do think we need better snow clearing on sidewalks the big roads should be our first priority. And making it into a gender issue is just stupid.