World's first commercial vertical farm opens in Singapore. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Reds;38246249]I swear to god there'll be some complete bullshit from idiots about this when farms of its type start showing up in the western world.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;tIvNopv9Pa8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvNopv9Pa8[/video]

[QUOTE=Bradyns;38246281]GMO's, it not being as natural, chemically treated, eyesore, fake.. I'm sure some superficial unsupported opinions will inevitably arise from "purists".[/QUOTE] Hating GMO's is totally reasonable considering they are quite possibly toxic.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38250136]Hating GMO's is totally reasonable considering they are quite possibly toxic.[/QUOTE] The only real thing I have against GM crops is that they're not very well regulated, if I recall correctly. Otherwise, it has the potential to a whole lot of people.

My main issue with GM crops are the ways that patent laws and the like are being applied to them, which is pretty disgusting, if your field gets contaminated by Monsanto seeds, expect to be prosecuted and the like. If we could get past that I'd have fewer issues with them.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;38246200][B]YES[/B] YES YES YES yes yes yes!!! I have been an absolutely [B]HUGE[/B] proponent of hydroponics for such a godamned long time it's [B]AMAZING[/B] to hear news like this!! This is actually what I'm starting my career in and plan on starting my own farm as well. [B]SENSATIONAL [/B] news![/QUOTE] I love your excitement. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Levithan;38250560]The only real thing I have against GM crops is that they're not very well regulated, if I recall correctly. Otherwise, it has the potential to a whole lot of people.[/QUOTE] iirc, they are overly regulated. Patents on seeds and stuff make it so small farmers cannot compete.

[QUOTE=Levithan;38250560]The only real thing I have against GM crops is that they're not very well regulated, if I recall correctly. Otherwise, it has the potential to a whole lot of people.[/QUOTE] They aren't regulated. We were assured GMO's were safe, but actual scientific evidence is starting to hint at the opposite. And I don't see what potential it has to a lot of people that normal crops don't.

Hydroponic shelf-farming? Now THAT'S the future. Dunno if it'd work well with a hydroponic cornfield, since corn is a tall-growing crop, but adjustments could be made.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38250685]They aren't regulated.[/QUOTE] Source. [QUOTE=yawmwen;38250685]We were assured GMO's were safe, but actual scientific evidence is starting to hint at the opposite.[/QUOTE] Citation needed. [QUOTE=yawmwen;38250685]And I don't see what potential it has to a lot of people that normal crops don't.[/QUOTE] Higher output and less problems for maintenance of the crops.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38250875]Source. Citation needed.[/quote] Actually the citation is needed on your part to show that GMO's are safe. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_controversies#Health_risks_of_consuming_GM_food[/url] [quote]Higher output and less problems for maintenance of the crops.[/QUOTE] These aren't major problems. It isn't like we are short on food. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] I mean you are solving a trivial problem with a potentially dangerous solution. It's stupid.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38251183]Actually the citation is needed on your part to show that GMO's are safe. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_controversies#Health_risks_of_consuming_GM_food[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]There is now broad scientific and regulatory consensus that food on the market derived from GM crops is safe enough to eat.[2][3][5][59][/quote] Fucking A+ mate, your own source disagrees with you. [QUOTE=yawmwen;38251183]These aren't major problems. It isn't like we are short on food.[/QUOTE] Uh, what about all the starving people in the world? [QUOTE=yawmwen;38251183]I mean you are solving a trivial problem with a potentially dangerous solution. It's stupid.[/QUOTE] Except it's not dangerous, no matter how much you disagree with your own source.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;38247424]didn't monsanto make agent orange?[/QUOTE] They did indeed, considering the fact that they have their roots in chemicals. They were originally a chemical company, and now they make genetically altered crops and patented genetic strains :v: What's that say about a company to manufacture deadly chemical weapons and patent life all in one go?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38251183]These aren't major problems. It isn't like we are short on food. [editline]30th October 2012[/editline] I mean you are solving a trivial problem with a potentially dangerous solution. It's stupid.[/QUOTE] "We" as in a bunch of people sitting in a house in front of a PC aren't but the majority of the world is having serious problems with food shortages, it's anything but trivial.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38251240]Fucking A+ mate, your own source disagrees with you.[/QUOTE] It's safe using a definition of "safe" that isn't necessarily applicable. It's like me saying cigarettes are safe because they don't cause testicular cancer. That definition of safe is flawed. "The application of substantial equivalence has been criticized. For example, in a speech in 1999, Andrew Chesson of the University of Aberdeen, speaking from within the scientific and regulatory consensus, warned that substantial equivalence testing "could be flawed in some cases" and that some current safety tests could allow harmful substances to enter the human food chain" [quote]Uh, what about all the starving people in the world?[/quote] We produce enough food to feed them, we just don't. Food production isn't needed, proper distribution of food is.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38251358]It's safe using a definition of "safe" that isn't necessarily applicable. It's like me saying cigarettes are safe because they don't cause testicular cancer. Your definition of safe is flawed. "The application of substantial equivalence has been criticized. For example, in a speech in 1999, Andrew Chesson of the University of Aberdeen, speaking from within the scientific and regulatory consensus, warned that substantial equivalence testing "could be flawed in some cases" and that some current safety tests could allow harmful substances to enter the human food chain"[/QUOTE] Stop bullshitting. What harmful substances? You aren't giving me anything specific, just some "Ohh its going to possibly do something bad but i can't be arsed to prove it". [QUOTE=yawmwen;38251358]We produce enough food to feed them, we just don't. Food production isn't needed, proper distribution of food is.[/QUOTE] Firstly, we need to get local production going too. The worlds climate is shifting and won't be so happy to let us grow organic food in peace. Secondly, the worlds population is still growing. Food distribution AND food production is needed.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38251358]"The application of substantial equivalence has been criticized. For example, in a speech in 1999, Andrew Chesson of the University of Aberdeen, speaking from within the scientific and regulatory consensus, warned that substantial equivalence testing "could be flawed in some cases" and that some current safety tests could allow harmful substances to enter the human food chain"[/QUOTE] 1999 it is now 2012 i'm sure things have changed since then

Am I the only one that expected a bunch of sheep and cows somehow standing on a vertical patch of grass?

yawmwen, do you ever post something that isn't to start an argument?

[QUOTE=a-cookie;38251449]Am I the only one that expected a bunch of sheep and cows somehow standing on a vertical patch of grass?[/QUOTE] They do it with Tilapia in hydroponics, it's called aquaponics and it very successful :D

[QUOTE=monkey11;38250653]... iirc, they are overly regulated. Patents on seeds and stuff make it so small farmers cannot compete.[/QUOTE] Patents != Regulation I've heard of studies of GM strains that were shut down, since the people running the study didn't prevent the strain cross-pollinating with outside plants, spreading the modified genes into the local population, etc. GM food shows great promise, but it does need more regulation as a whole.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;38246200][B]YES[/B] YES YES YES yes yes yes!!! I have been an absolutely [B]HUGE[/B] proponent of hydroponics for such a godamned long time it's [B]AMAZING[/B] to hear news like this!! This is actually what I'm starting my career in and plan on starting my own farm as well. [B]SENSATIONAL [/B] news![/QUOTE] i can literally smell you cumming your pants in excitement from here

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;38258281]i can literally smell you cumming your pants in excitement from here[/QUOTE] Literally.

Vertical farms are the only way we're ever going to be able to expand in size and populous without losing our ability to farm efficiently. I think an ideal city would have a small greenhouse on every skyscraper, tall building, and otherwise, maintained and what not but essentially keeping a large amount of local produce, local. Keeping food local is a major deal due to transportation being one big problem on an economic and logistical standpoint. That and forms of genetic modifications are damn near necessary for a future earth with a larger populous than we have now.