[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34050987]And once again, I have no sympathy for any dead US soldier in this upcoming war. Question what you
are going to war for, there is no excuse for being a puppet.[/QUOTE]
I don't support our involvement, but seriously, fuck you.
Change title to US deploys thousands of troops to Israel, mods please. Until someone else comes up with a better source then all 4 of mine.
Let's not even skim through the thread at all guys. We'll be so well informed so we can make instant sweeping generalizations that are completely grounded in reality.
Guys, the emotions I am feeling are indescribable.
Edit: okay read the thread. Crisis aborted right?
[QUOTE=The Jackal;34053955]Change title to US deploys thousands of troops to Israel, mods please.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, we still don't know if there is going to be a war with Iran or not.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34050987]And once again, I have no sympathy for any dead US soldier in this upcoming war. Question what you
are going to war for, there is no excuse for being a puppet.[/QUOTE]
Because those that are in the service can choose where they are located.
"Once more into the great good night. Cry 'havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war. "
[QUOTE=AnalAnnihilator;34051106]Are you a complete fucking idiot? Do you honestly think a majority of American soldiers would want to even fight in this war? It's not their fault that they have to and you're a complete asshole for feeling no sympathy. As for being a "puppet", they don't really have a choice. It's not exactly kosher to desert.
Sure people enlist in the military for different reasons. Some might want to do it for their country, money, or whatever. That doesn't matter. Just because they signed up for it doesn't mean they don't deserve sympathy. How would you feel if your husband, wife, or other significant family member was killed in a war?
Those "puppets" as you called them happen to be the ones protecting your country when a war breaks out. Of course not American soldiers in your case, but soldiers from your country.
You're a complete asshole.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, you don't get to say they have no choice when they voluntarily sign up for the military in an increasingly state of hostile foreign policy. I don't care WHAT country you're from.
and I doubt you have ANY sympathy for the families of the people soldiers kill. Because for all this mindless "soldiers need our full support, it's only right!" Very commonly do people forget the men the soldiers are killing are humans and might have families of their own.
Another year, another us conlict in the middle east.
Maybe we could go to kuwait next year, I hear they have great beaches and [I]oil[/I].
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;34053453]I don't support our involvement, but seriously, fuck you.[/QUOTE]
I do not support celebrating the deaths of any human, and I don't agree with that part - however, is ANYONE going to actually argue his point instead of going "UR DUMB!"
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34050987]And once again, I have no sympathy for any dead US soldier in this upcoming war. Question what you
are going to war for, there is no excuse for being a puppet.[/QUOTE]
Love the soldier, hate the war.
[QUOTE=7DeadlySyns;34054449]Love the soldier, hate the war.[/QUOTE]
I hate this, why? They're the ones doing the fucking killing, why can't we at least give SOME blame to people who actively kill for bullshit causes?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34054476]I hate this, why? They're the ones doing the fucking killing, why can't we at least give SOME blame to people who actively kill for bullshit causes?[/QUOTE]
When you're the one out on the battlefield getting shot at, you might have a different opinion. When it comes down to it, it's either kill or be killed. One way or another, there's going to be bloodshed and tears, so would you rather have the enemy kill you, or vice-versa?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34054293]I'm sorry, you don't get to say they have no choice when they voluntarily sign up for the military in an increasingly state of hostile foreign policy. I don't care WHAT country you're from.
and I doubt you have ANY sympathy for the families of the people soldiers kill. Because for all this mindless "soldiers need our full support, it's only right!" Very commonly do people forget the men the soldiers are killing are humans and might have families of their own.[/QUOTE]
The first part of your post is a grammatical train wreck, but I'll attempt to interpret it anyways. It appears that you're trying to tell me that I can't say they have no choice because they signed up for the military. That makes no sense at all. Are you seriously that stupid? Just because they sign up for the military doesn't mean that they want to go to war with Iran. They are people too. And they actually don't have a choice as to whether or not to go to war if told to. I cannot see where you are coming from with the first part of your post at all. They don't have a choice, just because we're in a state of "hostile foreign policy" as you call it doesn't remove the lack of choice on their end. Seriously, what the hell are you even trying to convey? It's not as if anyone would have the foresight to no without a doubt if we would or would not go to war with Iran. Being in the service does not automatically equate to "wanting to fight in the war unconditionally."
On the presumptuous subject of the second part of your post, I'd like to thank you for assuming things about me when you know absolutely nothing. War is a terrible thing. My condolences go to any person killed in combat and to their families. I don't care if they're American, European, Middle Eastern, or so on. I never stated that I had no sympathy for people on the opposite end of the spectrum. You only assumed that as baseless conjecture. Not once did I state that "soldiers need our full support." I certainly did not state so mindlessly.
I'd also like to point out that in my post you quoted, I specifically stated the following:
[quote]
Those "puppets" as you called them happen to be the ones protecting your country when a war breaks out. Of course not American soldiers in your case, but soldiers from your country.[/quote]
I acknowledged soldiers as people like anyone else. Notice how I did not just extend this to just American soldiers, I extended it to people of that posters country and in turn worldwide. It's adorable how you suggested I care not for soldiers of different countries and their families when I even extended my care in the post you quoted. Do me a favor and get some basic reading comprehension skills. The only thing I did in that post was defend soldiers which the one user called puppets. Seriously, how do you make such insanely idiotic assumptions from my post?
why do you guys think america is always the good one here.
Its well known no nuclear bombs were found on the entire war, and that lots of military authorities said themselves that the war was for oil.
Anyway, is well known too that soldiers are going to support the people too, not just to kill without no reason, referring to the asshole in the first page
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;34051076]No no no no please. We don't need another war, and we don't need to send off our troops to die fighting another war, this is the last thing we need, and the last thing the middle east needs.[/QUOTE]
It's the troop's choice to join a war. When they are not fighting for our freedom try talking to congress if you want to know who is fighting for our freedom. Like some Arabian overlord will take over the u.s the second we leave the middle east.
[editline]5th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=AnalAnnihilator;34051106]Are you a complete fucking idiot? Do you honestly think a majority of American soldiers would want to even fight in this war? It's not their fault that they have to and you're a complete asshole for feeling no sympathy. As for being a "puppet", they don't really have a choice. It's not exactly kosher to desert.
Sure people enlist in the military for different reasons. Some might want to do it for their country, money, or whatever. That doesn't matter. Just because they signed up for it doesn't mean they don't deserve sympathy. How would you feel if your husband, wife, or other significant family member was killed in a war?
Those "puppets" as you called them happen to be the ones protecting your country when a war breaks out. Of course not American soldiers in your case, but soldiers from your country.
You're a complete asshole.[/QUOTE]
Are you retarded. It is their choice to go fight in a war. It's not like the u.s is having a draft. Soldiers just go to war to get this false sense of pride. From just sitting in camp and walking around towns for a couple years.
[QUOTE=Marcolade;34054771]When you're the one out on the battlefield getting shot at, you might have a different opinion. When it comes down to it, it's either kill or be killed. One way or another, there's going to be bloodshed and tears, so would you rather have the enemy kill you, or vice-versa?[/QUOTE]
I rather not put anyone in the position to get shot at in the first place.
And when greedy leaders decide to do that, I don't sit there thinking who is better to be killed, I go for the heart of the issue, that the war is just stupid and unnecessary.
[QUOTE=AnalAnnihilator;34054785]The first part of your post is a grammatical train wreck, but I'll attempt to interpret it anyways. It appears that you're trying to tell me that I can't say they have no choice because they signed up for the military. That makes no sense at all. Are you seriously that stupid? Just because they sign up for the military doesn't mean that they want to go to war with Iran.[/quote]
These men signed up for the military with full knowledge shit like this will happen.
[quote]They are people too.[/quote]
yeah, I agree, and that's why I mentioned I don't agree with his post.
[quote]And they actually don't have a choice as to whether or not to go to war if told to. I cannot see where you are coming from with the first part of your post at all. They don't have a choice, just because we're in a state of "hostile foreign policy" as you call it doesn't remove the lack of choice on their end. Seriously, what the hell are you even trying to convey? It's not as if anyone would have the foresight to no without a doubt if we would or would not go to war with Iran. Being in the service does not automatically equate to "wanting to fight in the war unconditionally."[/quote]
Why is this difficult to understand? They volunteered to join the military, going to war, especially after two dead-end wars in 10 years, is them joining with full knowledge they'll most likely be shipped out somewhere. They had a choice, and they took it.
Please explain to me, at what part of this volunteering process, are soldiers forced against their will, without prior knowledge, to fight in a war they don't want to be with. SO MUCH SO that it's absolutely impossible to object to it.
[quote]On the presumptuous subject of the second part of your post, I'd like to thank you for assuming things about me when you know absolutely nothing. War is a terrible thing. My condolences go to any person killed in combat and to their families. I don't care if they're American, European, Middle Eastern, or so on. I never stated that I had no sympathy for people on the opposite end of the spectrum. You only assumed that as baseless conjecture. Not once did I state that "soldiers need our full support." I certainly did not state so mindlessly. [/quote]
If that's true, more power to you, but others post history leads to me assuming things about other people.
[quote]I'd also like to point out that in my post you quoted, I specifically stated the following:[/quote]
There's an ignorant assumption among people nowadays that war is so likely to break out at any moment, nothing you do can stop it. Frankly, that's just nonsense. This whole concept that there are countries who just want to destroy for the sake of burning is a myth. No soldier is protecting a country any better than a politician who isn't a warmongering fucktard can. Saying "soldiers protect you when their bosses fuck up" doesn't make sit back and go "welp, everything is fine, better keep watching the tele". No, it pisses me off, and it equally pisses me off when the soldiers pretend their victims but demand respect when they volunteer to go kill people.
[quote]I acknowledged soldiers as people like anyone else. Notice how I did not just extend this to just American soldiers, I extended it to people of that posters country and in turn worldwide. It's adorable how you suggested I care not for soldiers of different countries and their families when I even extended my care in the post you quoted. Do me a favor and get some basic reading comprehension skills. The only thing I did in that post was defend soldiers which the one user called puppets. Seriously, how do you make such insanely idiotic assumptions from my post?[/QUOTE]
"how dare you make assumptions about me! also, you're dumb (repeat 47 times)" You're a hypocrite first off.
I was making an assumption yeah, and frankly I'm not exactly convinced otherwise still. My reason being, and as stated before, people typically, on this forum in particular, defend the soldier using this "they're people too!" argument, but when one of them murders another human, they go "OMG SO FUCKING BADASS".
Not even going to bother with you anymore, you're pathetic.
Wow okay guys
[h2]THE SOURCES ARE B.S. READ THE LAST PAGE[/h2]
[QUOTE=AnalAnnihilator;34055145]Not even going to bother with you anymore, you're pathetic.[/QUOTE]
You would have been a blast in the Nuremberg trials.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34055234]You would have been a blast in the Nuremberg trials.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/pLUsr.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34050987]And once again, I have no sympathy for any dead US soldier in this upcoming war. Question what you
are going to war for, there is no excuse for being a puppet.[/QUOTE]
Too bad the the Dumbest Post of 2011 awards just ended. I'll be sure to nominate this for 2012.
Anyway, with no legitimate sources I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. Right now all this thread is doing is spreading false information.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34050987]And once again, I have no sympathy for any dead US soldier in this upcoming war. Question what you
are going to war for, there is no excuse for being a puppet.[/QUOTE]
It's a job like any other. That's pretty much the case with no draft in progress.
[QUOTE=7DeadlySyns;34054449]Love the soldier, hate the war.[/QUOTE]
"love the hitman not the client"
why the should you love someone that willfully signed themselves up to be a state-sponsored hitman?
i mean yeah you don't need to be a cunt to them but they're no more deserving of respect than anyone else, if anything they're less deserving considering what they do for a living.
[QUOTE=AnalAnnihilator;34055310][img]http://i.imgur.com/pLUsr.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Fine, Khmer Rouge Insurgents, Serbians soldiers during the Bosnian war, I can name out MANY groups similar to that. Answer me with that instead of going "YOUR SO STUPID LOL, I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ARGUE I'M RIGHT!"
[QUOTE=Marcolade;34054771]When you're the one out on the battlefield getting shot at, you might have a different opinion. When it comes down to it, it's either kill or be killed. One way or another, there's going to be bloodshed and tears, so would you rather have the enemy kill you, or vice-versa?[/QUOTE]
considering they signed themselves up to go to that battlefield knowing full well that someone would be shooting at them i'd say they still deserve some blame if for nothing else than putting themselves in that situation. you can't dismiss all moral judgements just because the soldier doesn't get to choose who he's going to be attacking.
In a way warfare has become like in the old days where they'd had to rob a nation clean so that they could invade some other place of interest.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34055573]considering they signed themselves up to go to that battlefield knowing full well that someone would be shooting at them i'd say they still deserve some blame if for nothing else than putting themselves in that situation. you can't dismiss all moral judgements just because the soldier doesn't get to choose who he's going to be attacking.[/QUOTE]
being in a combat mos doesn't mean you actually want to go into combat.
hell even non-combat MOS see combat
see: jessica lynch
[QUOTE=W0w00t;34055598]being in a combat mos doesn't mean you actually want to go into combat.
hell even non-combat MOS see combat
see: jessica lynch[/QUOTE]
if you don't want to go into combat, don't sign up for the military
the point still stands, you're entering yourself into an organization whose primary objective is killing the enemy. as soon as you join them you lose the ability to say "b-but i don't WANNA kill people, they're FORCING ME TO!!" considering you put them in a position of control.
[editline]5th January 2012[/editline]
if there were a draft, your point would be totally valid, but these people chose of their own free will to join the military, knowing full well what that might entail. i'm not saying you should hate people who join the military, because a lot of them really do join thinking they're helping america and protecting your rights, they have the right idea, but they don't deserve praise for mistakenly enlisting in an aimless military force.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34055651]if you don't want to go into combat, don't sign up for the military
the point still stands, you're entering yourself into an organization whose primary objective is killing the enemy. as soon as you join them you lose the ability to say "b-but i don't WANNA kill people, they're FORCING ME TO!!" considering you put them in a position of control.
[editline]5th January 2012[/editline]
if there were a draft, your point would be totally valid, but these people chose of their own free will to join the military, knowing full well what that might entail. i'm not saying you should hate people who join the military, because a lot of them really do join thinking they're helping america and protecting your rights, they have the right idea, but they don't deserve praise for mistakenly enlisting in an aimless military force.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Soldier's Creed]I stand ready to deploy, engage and [b]destroy[/b] the enemies of the United States in close combat[/quote]
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