• Julia Gillard Wins the Australian Election
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[QUOTE=speedy3020;24661795]Please point out all the benefits Australia has reaped after changing from a Howard lead Liberal party to a Rudd Labor. SORRY!!! I almost forgot that Labor was doing [b]so[/b] poorly that he even got the boot from his own party! It's Gillard now. How silly of me. So anyway, what great things has Labor done for us? Annnnd GO![/QUOTE] They said sorry to the Aborigines (for something none of our generation committed), so they now have a mandate to claim compensation. :smug:
[QUOTE=speedy3020;24661753]Have 5 kids, be a slob and get 70k a year from us, the taxpayers. Heck, even the illegal immigrants are better looked after by our government. Any migrant out there that happens to read this and are thinking about paying a shady character for a boat ride to Australia, come on down! We have detention facilities (or hotels if you're really lucky!) and after a short stay, get fast tracked into our civilisation where you can squelch off the rest of us who work for a living and contribute to our society.[/QUOTE] The one thing i hate about people who bitch about people being on the dol, is that they don't understand that the vast majority actually do need it.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;24661817]The one thing i hate about people who bitch about people being on the dol, is that the vast majority actually do need it.[/QUOTE] The vast majority just don't want to work. I see it every bloody where. A claim for government assistance should be made on an individual basis.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;24661817]The one thing i hate about people who bitch about people being on the dol, is that the vast majority actually do need it.[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the dole being there to support those that need it. It's the dole [b]bludgers[/b] that get me fired up. As it is, the system is too easily exploitable.
[QUOTE=speedy3020;24661795]Please point out all the benefits Australia has reaped after changing from a Howard lead Liberal party to a Rudd Labor. SORRY!!! I almost forgot that Labor was doing [b]so[/b] poorly that he even got the boot from his own party! Geez, silly me. So anyway, what great things has Labor done for us? Annnnd GO![/QUOTE] Rudd got kicked out because he wasn't popular, not because he was doing shit. Not really much to talk about popularity either because Howard lost his seat when he was kicked out. How about instead of the things they have done good, you list all the ways they have ruined the country? I'm sure there would be a lot of crossover because you can always find a problem with a policy and act like it's the end of the world.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;24660143]no they didn't.[/QUOTE] [url]http://vtr.aec.gov.au/[/url] Yes they did HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES NATIONAL TWO PARTY PREFERRED RESULT Coalition Votes Percentage % Swing % Australian Labor Party 5,844,870 49.99 -2.71 Liberal/National Coalition 5,846,229 50.01 +2.71
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24661829]The vast majority just don't want to work. I see it every bloody where. A claim for government assistance should be made on an individual basis.[/QUOTE] Cool anecdote bro. [QUOTE=speedy3020;24661838]Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the dole being there to support those that need it. It's the dole [b]bludgers[/b] that get me fired up. As it is, the system is too easily exploitable.[/QUOTE] Ok, I get it. You guys want it to be harder to get the Dole. How about you try and get that done rather than bitching about spending too much?
[QUOTE=speedy3020;24661838]Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the dole being there to support those that need it. It's the dole [b]bludgers[/b] that get me fired up. As it is, the system is too easily exploitable.[/QUOTE] Have to agree, i'm on the dole, but i'm not bludging. I attend school, whilst trying to find employment. It's those people who do bludge it. A bunch of people sign into my school, then don't attend, so they receive the payments for being a student. Someone we used to know, fakes an injury to get payments. Those who cheat the system, fuck it up for the rest of us.
[QUOTE=speedy3020;24661753]Have 5 kids, be a slob and get 70k a year from us, the taxpayers. Heck, even the illegal immigrants are better looked after by our government. Any migrant out there that happens to read this and are thinking about paying a shady character for a boat ride to Australia, come on down! We have detention facilities (or hotels if you're really lucky!) and after a short stay, get fast tracked into our civilisation where you can squelch off the rest of us who work for a living and contribute to our society.[/QUOTE] are you serious, it takes years for 'boat people' to get processed in crowded, shitty places with shit food, shit accommodation and no guarantee on when they'll be set free [QUOTE=Joshyy;24661886]Have to agree, i'm on the dole, but i'm not bludging. I attend school, whilst trying to find employment. It's those people who do bludge it. A bunch of people sign into my school, then don't attend, so they receive the payments for being a student. Someone we used to know, fakes an injury to get payments. Those who cheat the system, fuck it up for the rest of us.[/QUOTE] i go to school, have a job and still get youth allowance. then i spend it on food and going out fuck your tax money
Peter dutton for dickson,
[QUOTE=poopsicle;24661635]You do realize the filter is never going to go through.[/QUOTE] Can you fucking read?
[QUOTE=QueenElizebeth;24661891] i go to school, have a job and still get youth allowance. then i spend it on food and going out fuck your tax money[/QUOTE] Yes but you still work for your money. As I used for an example, people who sign into a school, and don't attend, they don't go to work either.
There's nothing to worry about anyway. The current arrangement between Labor, the Greens and independents will not last [a metaphorical] five minutes. Nothing will get done in this parliament, and it will be an opposition leader's paradise. If anything, it's actually the better outcome for the Coalition.
So far the liberal supporters in this thread have made some very bad points about the labor government; and i'll admit some valid yet still very arguable points too. Yet, nobody has really gone into depth explaining why the liberals would be better than labor. So please, explain that, beyond badmouthing labor.
Im on youth,Tafe studying. But yeah the bastard i know at tafe is pretending to be on a disability and is getting paid more. like $300-350aud
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;24661961] Yet, nobody has really gone into depth explaining why the liberals would be better than labor. So please, explain that, beyond badmouthing labor.[/QUOTE] Their track record supports them economically.
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24661932]There's nothing to worry about anyway. The current arrangement between Labor, the Greens and independents will not last [a metaphorical] five minutes. Nothing will get done in this parliament, and it will be an opposition leader's paradise. If anything, it's actually the better outcome for the Coalition.[/QUOTE] You simply do not know what the outcome will be from this change in our politics. Nobody really does. This could be just as bad for the coalition as labor.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24661855]Rudd got kicked out because he wasn't popular, not because he was doing shit. Not really much to talk about popularity either because Howard lost his seat when he was kicked out. How about instead of the things they have done good, you list all the ways they have ruined the country? I'm sure there would be a lot of crossover because you can always find a problem with a policy and act like it's the end of the world.[/QUOTE] Can't think for yourself and want me to do all the work for you? No wonder you voted Labor (assumption, greens perhaps?) * Poorly implemented and controlled pink batts scheme that saw 4 people die and hundreds of houses burnt down. * Poorly implemented and controlled BER. Grossly overpriced buildings charged to the govt. to name one facet. * Poor handling of GFC when Australia was barely impacted. $900 was far [b]far[/b] too much to stimulate an economy that didn't need stimulating in the first place. * I can't count how many ministers Labor has gone through the first term alone, including their own PM. (And I know I'm talking State, but lets not forget Morris Iemma and Nathan Rees being sacked) That's only what immediately comes to mind.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;24661991]You simply do not know what the outcome will be from this change in our politics. Nobody really does. This could be just as bad for the coalition as labor.[/QUOTE] I'm allowed to speculate as much as I want, thank you very much.
This is interesting [url]http://media.smh.com.au/national/national-news/analysis-independents-could-turn-1911944.html?from=newsbox[/url] Fairfax national bureau chief Tim Lester says independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor could still move against Labor. There may be hope yet
[QUOTE=speedy3020;24661657]We really should have non-compulsory voting.[/QUOTE] How would it be an accurate reflection of what the country as a whole wants?
[QUOTE=speedy3020;24662003] That's only what immediately comes to mind.[/QUOTE] Election promises FuelWatch and GroceryWatch never saw the light of day.
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24661972]Their track record supports them economically.[/QUOTE] the problem with this statement is that the parties are greatly different now. Sure, a few liberal parties may have done a great job (the howard government in particular, had i have been able to vote in the election between him and rudd, i would have certainly voted liberal) but the current liberal party has a very different set of members and leaders. A parties track record doesn't really mean anything unless the same group of people are still in the party. [editline]08:33AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Superwafflez;24662007]I'm allowed to speculate as much as I want, thank you very much.[/QUOTE] You very much are, but it's different to state things as fact.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;24662040]How would it be an accurate reflection of what the country as a whole wants?[/QUOTE] If people want something a politician says, they will vote. If they couldn't care less, then they wont - and leave it to the more educated and informed to vote for competent government. It works in a multitude of countries.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;24662040]How would it be an accurate reflection of what the country as a whole wants?[/QUOTE] Not the whole country wants to vote, so how is forcing everyone to vote an accurate reflection of what the country as a whole wants?
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;24662061]If people want something a politician says, they will vote. If they couldn't care less, then they wont - and leave it to the more educated and informed to vote for competent government. It works in a multitude of countries.[/QUOTE] And yet George Bush was voted in in America.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;24662087]And yet George Bush was voted in in America.[/QUOTE] That really is a biased statement. I think you'll find there are plenty of people who support Bush to this day.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;24662040]How would it be an accurate reflection of what the country as a whole wants?[/QUOTE] There are great benefits to non compulsory voting, as there are great cons. Same with compulsory voting. It really depends on the population doing the voting. Perhaps a non compulsory voting scheme may be better for us, at least now. I do agree with speedy on this one.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;24662049]the problem with this statement is that the parties are greatly different now. Sure, a few liberal parties may have done a great job (the howard government in particular, had i have been able to vote in the election between him and rudd, i would have certainly voted liberal) but the current liberal party has a very different set of members and leaders. A parties track record doesn't really mean anything unless the same group of people are still in the party.[/QUOTE] It means a lot when it's not just one Liberal government, but all, if not almost all, that set that track record
I'm still wondering about the NBN. One estimate put it at a taxpayer cost of $8000 per household - fair cop up. Secondly, given the incredibly-fast-changing nature of the IT industry, will this system still be relevant in the future, or will it soon become obsolete?
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