[QUOTE=qwerty000;41566701]Ignorant of what?[/QUOTE]
ignorant of change...other viewpoints...the fact that people don't decide their sexuality
the fact that you called pride parades 'propaganda' on the first page is enough to let me know that you're not worth convincing
[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;41566700]late reply but..
"baww he doesn't want to have sex with gays, he's a fucking homophobe, burn him!"[/QUOTE]
What are you even talking about. You're making us look bad.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41566658]Discrimination is not based on the idea that people are different.[/quote]
Discrimination by its own definition is the fact of keeping certain people separated. The reasons differ though they are usually backed up by Racism, which is hidden by the common "separate but equal" policy. It's what happened in the US for a long while, same for the Apartheid in South Africa. After the civil rights movement and when HIV showed up, people stopped discriminating black people and moved onto gay people instead.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41566658]
Many people are moving to remove "Ally" and turn it into "Asexual," because, realistically, I don't face the same sort of oppression that an L, G, B, T, or Q person does :v:.[/QUOTE]
Realistically Transgenders are in way deeper shit. There will be a good decade spent before they even get a chance.
A new and improved LGBTQA pride parade: hetero normative edition:
A bunch of white dudes in bland floats, waving in business suits and khakis.
"We're just like you!" one banner states.
-dumb-
I never said Gay Pride creates homophobes, I said I think it's a bad idea when it comes to erasing tensions and showing people that equality is possible.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41566765]I never said Gay Pride creates homophobes, I said I think it's a bad idea when it comes to erasing tensions and showing people that equality is possible.[/QUOTE]
if anyone has a problem with pride parades being very un-normal then they have a problem with homosexuals not acting like straight people 'should'
homophobia in itself
I also don't really see how gay prides help for gay rights.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41566743]Discrimination by its own definition is the fact of keeping certain people separated. The reasons differ though they are usually backed up by Racism, which is hidden by the common "separate but equal" policy. It's what happened in the US for a long while, same for the Apartheid in South Africa. After the civil rights movement and when HIV showed up, people stopped discriminating black people and moved onto gay people instead.[/quote]
No, this is not a fair perception of discrimination at all. "Separate but equal" was inherently unfair because of the fact that things were [b]separate and unequal[/b] throughout segregation. Racism itself asserted that one race was superior than the rest - and, therefore, the races must be separated in order to maintain that superiority. That's why segregation appeared in the first place. Segregation was never about equality for blacks - it was always about superiority for whites.
Also, homophobia has always been a part of Western society - it didn't just "magically" appear after Civil Rights. Remember Oscar Wilde?
[quote]Realistically Transgenders are in way deeper shit. There will be a good decade spent before they even get a chance.[/QUOTE]
Very true, mostly because it's very easy to make Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexuals "normative." Transgender inherently deals with gender issues - hence, a lot of the transphobia butts heads with gender discussions.
[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;41566758]Sorry, it seems my English isn't good enough to prove I'm not homophobic unlike most Russians, including our beloved president.[/QUOTE]
You sound a lot like a few homophobes going "I'm not a homophobe but I won't let any fag get to my butt".
It's weird how people have this impression that homosexuals will always try to have sex with them. Works with lesbians and straight women, too.
could we please stop quoting southparkmgt
i've put him on my ignore list and you guys quoting every single post he makes isn't helping
[QUOTE=Reimu;41566785]Very true, mostly because it's very easy to make Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexuals "normative." Transgender inherently deals with gender issues - hence, a lot of the transphobia butts heads with gender discussions.[/QUOTE]
I would assume that it's because generally like having a scape goat for everything and the LGB part are getting more and more rights to the point they won't even be legally discernable from straight people, so they just flip their shit over T instead.
What the fuck does Queer mean though I've never actually heard it in a conversation. I feel like it's probably very close to Bi.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566779]if anyone has a problem with pride parades being very un-normal then they have a problem with homosexuals not acting like straight people 'should'
homophobia in itself[/QUOTE]
I'm sure not every single gay person in the world approves of pride parades. I guess that makes those homosexuals homophobes.
There goes any hope for social change in Russia, religion and state propaganda are enough to make most of the population support such bigotry. On the bright side there's still a good chance that Poland and Ukraine can turn around their social atmosphere to seek equality for homosexuals, as they seem to be more secular countries.
[QUOTE=Scot;41566256]All gay pride parades do is make homosexuals look like annoying flamboyant faggots and separate them further from everyone else.[/QUOTE]
isn't it the point of gay pride parades to give people a bit of escapism. i don't see how them acting flamboyant or feminine is hurting you
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566726]ignorant of change[/QUOTE]
Never thought you could be ignorant of a change. What, you think I didn't know about gays before this thread? You meant "afraid of a change" for sure.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566726]other viewpoints[/QUOTE]
I'm not. Where did I ever say that "I hate/dislike LGBT people/bronies/furries/toasters/whatever" ?
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566726]the fact that people don't decide their sexuality[/QUOTE]
What does?
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566726]the fact that you called pride parades 'propaganda' on the first page is enough to let me know that you're not worth convincing[/QUOTE]
I didn't, I actually even separated the two.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41566815]I would assume that it's because generally like having a scape goat for everything and the LGB part are getting more and more rights to the point they won't even be legally discernable from straight people, so they just flip their shit over T instead.
What the fuck does Queer mean though I've never actually heard it in a conversation. I feel like it's probably very close to Bi.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that's meant to encompass any other sexual orientation such as pansexuality and variations
you don't see it used a lot because it's viewed as being offensive usually
you know you can just reply in one sentence, qwerty000? No need to seperate like that.
Either way I am just not going to bother with you, like it or not.
[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;41565999]Personally I don't give a shit about gays as long as they won't try to penetrate my ass.
But this stupid Russian homophobia is embarrassing. You have no idea how many people were literally crying because of Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3's gay relationships.[/QUOTE]
Trust me nobody will try to penetrate your ass
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41566838]isn't it the point of gay pride parades to give people a bit of escapism. i don't see how them acting flamboyant or feminine is hurting you[/QUOTE]
Personally I think it's not the best way to show that LGBT should be treated on equal grounds but it's up to everyone's perception I assume.
[editline]23rd July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566845]I'm pretty sure that's meant to encompass any other sexual orientation such as pansexuality and variations
you don't see it used a lot because it's viewed as being offensive usually[/QUOTE]
Dunno, personally I think all you need to identify your sexuality is Heterosexual, Homosexual and Bisexual. Asexual if you have no sexuality. Everything else seems superfluous.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41566858]Personally I think it's not the best way to show that LGBT should be treated on equal grounds but it's up to everyone's perception I assume.[/QUOTE]
Equal grounds is not about everyone being 'normal', equal grounds is letting people realise that being different is OK. Making everyone act the same is not encouraging that
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41566815]I would assume that it's because generally like having a scape goat for everything and the LGB part are getting more and more rights to the point they won't even be legally discernable from straight people, so they just flip their shit over T instead.
What the fuck does Queer mean though I've never actually heard it in a conversation. I feel like it's probably very close to Bi.[/QUOTE]
I think it really depends. Transgender & Transsexual issues are very complicated, especially because many movements don't want to create intersectionality for them.
Not to mention, there's major race issues within feminist and LGBTQA communities. Pride parades are an issue because they're usually full of white dudes and non-trans* individuals. Plus, due to pride parades' popularity with subverting gender norms, they bring in a lot of straight people who think it's "cute" and oggle at gays and lesbians.
As for Queer,
[quote]Queer is an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities that are not heterosexual, heteronormative, or gender-binary.
[...]
he range of what "queer" includes varies. In addition to referring to LGBT-identifying people, it can also encompass: pansexual, pomosexual, intersexual, genderqueer, asexual and autosexual people, and even gender normative heterosexuals whose sexual orientations or activities place them outside the heterosexual-defined mainstream, e.g., BDSM practitioners, or polyamorous persons.
For some queer-identified people, part of the point of the term "queer" is that it simultaneously builds up and tears down boundaries of identity. For instance, among genderqueer people, who do not solidly identify with one particular gender, once solid gender roles have been torn down, it becomes difficult to situate sexual identity. For some people, the non-specificity of the term is liberating. Queerness becomes a way to make a political move against heteronormativity while simultaneously refusing to engage in traditional essentialist identity politics.[7][/quote]
I don't see why people are so offended about people harmlessly expressing themselves.
Waaaaah your poor virgin eyes saw someone wearing pink. Grow up.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41566858]Personally I think it's not the best way to show that LGBT should be treated on equal grounds but it's up to everyone's perception I assume.
[editline]23rd July 2013[/editline]
Dunno, personally I think all you need to identify your sexuality is Heterosexual, Homosexual and Bisexual. Asexual if you have no sexuality. Everything else seems superfluous.[/QUOTE]
No, that is not OK. Those only encompass the gender binary, which I myself do not support. Pansexual is fitting for me personally because I think of people as people, not genders. The sex of a character also has the same effect. Not everyone is strictly male or female.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;41566880]I don't see why people are so offended about people harmlessly expressing themselves.
Waaaaah your poor virgin eyes saw someone wearing pink. Grow up.[/QUOTE]
Way to do passive-aggressive asumptions on everyone here kiddo.
lol, gotta love it when people say "you know, i have no problem with gays as long as they don't force it on me..."
when's the last time a gay guy tried to stick his dick in your mouth or something like that
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566889]No, that is not OK. Those only encompass the gender binary, which I myself do not support. Pansexual is fitting for me personally because I think of people as people, not genders.[/QUOTE]
I pretty much fit as Pansexual but I still qualify myself as Bisexual for convenience.
As for the whole gay pride thing I think we can agree that we disagree. It's not like our opinions are going to affect much people anyway and I'm glad I was able to debate with people who did not go into absolute rage the instant someone disagreed with them.
[editline]23rd July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41566896]lol, gotta love it when people say "you know, i have no problem with gays as long as they don't force it on me..."
when's the last time a gay guy tried to stick his dick in your mouth or something like that[/QUOTE]
About two days ago for me. :v:
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566889]No, that is not OK. Those only encompass the gender binary, which I myself do not support. Pansexual is fitting for me personally because I think of people as people, not genders. The sex of a character also has the same effect. Not everyone is strictly male or female.[/QUOTE]
Sexuality is so strange and abnormal that it's hard to classify it to begin with. What if someone is asexual, but masturbates and can be aroused? Are they autosexual? What if they don't masturbate, they can be aroused, but they don't want sex?
Not to mention, most people would still freak out about polyamory and other non-heteronormative actions. Even if, in the end, Queer actions are still happening in the bedroom.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41566896]lol, gotta love it when people say "you know, i have no problem with gays as long as they don't force it on me..."
when's the last time a gay guy tried to stick his dick in your mouth or something like that[/QUOTE]
what I find even funnier than that is the fact that, those people think people at pride parades would want to touch them in the first place
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566873]Equal grounds is not about everyone being 'normal', equal grounds is letting people realise that being different is OK. Making everyone act the same is not encouraging that[/QUOTE]
People can't be "normal" if they're "different", that's how the society always worked. If the social norms won't change, you are still going to be bullied/"oppressed".
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41566934]what I find even funnier than that is the fact that, those people think people at pride parades would want to touch them in the first place[/QUOTE]
Why not? Who would they "touch" then?
[sp]weird, i am still replying, despite that you went all ad hominem[/sp]
[QUOTE=qwerty000;41566935]People can't be "normal" if they're "different", that's how the society always worked. If the social norms won't change, you are still going to be bullied/"oppressed".
[sp]weird, i am still replying, despite that you went all ad hominem[/sp][/QUOTE]
so you're trying to justify bullying people for being different? an equal grounds would have the opposite effect
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