[QUOTE=Deep;41571829]I agree. If it isn't stopped people will be marrying chairs, cupboards and their nicolas cage waifus in just a few years.[/QUOTE]
You find it funny, but next time when you will eat chicken remember that someone could fuck it! And all that stuff will be in your mouth...
[QUOTE=Nicolas;41571863]You find it funny, but next time when you will eat chicken remember that someone could fuck it! And all that stuff will be in your mouth...[/QUOTE]
oh scared me I thought you were being serious
[QUOTE=Nicolas;41571863]You find it funny, but next time when you will eat chicken remember that someone could fuck it! And all that stuff will be in your mouth...[/QUOTE]
why are you even comparing human sexuality to fetishes
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41571678]You know what he meant, don't be so passive-aggressive all the time. His point was pretty clear and you're flipping your shit over a single word. Please stop arguing about semantics.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, a single word. The single most hateful word you can use towards a gay person, equivalent to any racial slur out there.
[QUOTE=LPG55;41571781]Ok so picture yourself the middle aged man/woman that is still indecisive about wether or not gay people should be able to adopt children.
This person has no hate toward them, she is just concerned about what a family of 2 men/women could do to a child's education.
This person has seen both side of the argument throught the media.
Now tell me, what is the best way to convince that person that there is no reason to fear for such thing?
While there is no foolproof method, I'm pretty sure that doing something like that:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eFoK4Ui.png[/IMG]
isn't going to do any good to convince that person. It's going to do the exact opposite.[/QUOTE]
the stupid assumption people make with these parades is that they exist to convince straight people
they arent
gay pride parades are for the gay community to foster bonds with each other and have a bit of fun
if youre gay and you dont like it cool then dont be a part of it, but its incredibly important to the people who throw them and to blame them for homophobia is an incredible insult to your LGBT brothers and sisters.
homophobes are among the worst of people, putin is a piece of human garbage and i'm gonna have a huge smile on my face the day he dies.
[editline]24th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=LPG55;41571781]Ok so picture yourself the middle aged man/woman that is still indecisive about wether or not gay people should be able to adopt children.
This person has no hate toward them, she is just concerned about what a family of 2 men/women could do to a child's education.
This person has seen both side of the argument throught the media.
Now tell me, what is the best way to convince that person that there is no reason to fear for such thing?
While there is no foolproof method, I'm pretty sure that doing something like that:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eFoK4Ui.png[/IMG]
isn't going to do any good to convince that person. It's going to do the exact opposite.[/QUOTE]
if you're a middle aged man/woman that is indecisive about whether or not gay people should be able to adopt children then you're a moron and should fuck off out of other peoples lives, or adopt some of those kids you wanna force into the awful russian orphanage system
if gay parades persuade people that gays are deviants and make bad parents, those people are fucking morons
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41574059]im ok with gay people as long as they dont break open my windows and pillage my anus leaving me pinksocked in the middle of the night
they do that right?![/QUOTE]
Yes. SW(e)AT rapid response teams. Nasty stuff.
My brother died because of them.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;41571823]are you implying war or[/QUOTE]
I'm implying a war against widespread ignorance and barbarianism.
[QUOTE=LPG55;41571781]Ok so picture yourself the middle aged man/woman that is still indecisive about wether or not gay people should be able to adopt children.
This person has no hate toward them, she is just concerned about what a family of 2 men/women could do to a child's education.
This person has seen both side of the argument throught the media.
Now tell me, what is the best way to convince that person that there is no reason to fear for such thing?
While there is no foolproof method, I'm pretty sure that doing something like that:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eFoK4Ui.png[/IMG]
isn't going to do any good to convince that person. It's going to do the exact opposite.[/QUOTE]
Theeeee point of those parades is to show solidarity and good will and ability to resist the endless, all encompassing fountain of shit being spurted at LGBT* people. They're not selling a product to the mums and dads of America.
russia can fuck off
[QUOTE=LPG55;41571781]Ok so picture yourself the middle aged man/woman that is still indecisive about wether or not gay people should be able to adopt children.
This person has no hate toward them, she is just concerned about what a family of 2 men/women could do to a child's education.
This person has seen both side of the argument throught the media.
Now tell me, what is the best way to convince that person that there is no reason to fear for such thing?
While there is no foolproof method, I'm pretty sure that doing something like that:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eFoK4Ui.png[/IMG]
isn't going to do any good to convince that person. It's going to do the exact opposite.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that this picture doesn't represent the LGBT community in it's entirety.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;41574772]Don't forget that this picture doesn't represent the LGBT community in it's entirety.[/QUOTE]
Not that it should matter if it did. If every single member of a that community walked around in their underwear all day, it still wouldn't justify them having their rights taken away from them.
[QUOTE=Nicolas;41571694]Homosexuality is not normal. I guess next step in USA/EU will be [B]sex with[/B] animals [B]and kids[/B] or with something else. And if you think that this is normal too...
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Homophobia" - Megafan))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
You're a few thousand years late here, fella.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;41571709]did you come out of a time portal from the 1950s or something. man, i'd love to get my hands on one[/QUOTE]
I'd say he came out of a time portal of 2013 Eastern Europe.
But of course! I totally see why Mr Putin did this! Because GAYS are causing all the problems in Russia! We just defeated the JEWS and ZOG who caused all previous Russian problems, but now the GAYS come to ruin everything! It's not the corruption! It's not the lack of education! It's not budget cuts on science and healthcare! It's GAYS! Proton-M kerbaling to the ground? GAYS! Top government officials stealing millions and then getting probation 'cause they're top government officials? GAYS! Priest kills 3 bystanders in a drunk driving accident, gets 2 years after 'a computer virus accidently deletes the video proof that he actually was in his BMW X5'? It's GAYS who are responsible! Serial killer stabs a female student to death in front of MIPT's entrance? 100% GAYS!
Geesh! I can't stand that nobody sees it in the US! Open your eyes!
[QUOTE=revzin;41575279]But of course! I totally see why Mr Putin did this! Because GAYS are causing all the problems in Russia! We just defeated the JEWS and ZOG who caused all previous Russian problems, but now the GAYS come to ruin everything! It's not the corruption! It's not the lack of education! It's not budget cuts on science and healthcare! It's GAYS! Proton-M kerbaling to the ground? GAYS! Top government officials stealing millions and then getting probation 'cause they're top government officials? GAYS! Priest kills 3 bystanders in a drunk driving accident? It's GAYS who are responsible! Serial killer stabs a female student to death in front of MIPT's entrance? 100% GAYS!
Geesh! I can't stand that nobody sees it in the US! Open your eyes![/QUOTE]
GAYS!
Man, it's like there's an arms race between the GOP and the Kremlin as to who's knuckles are dragging lower on the ground.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41575286]GAYS![/QUOTE]
'GAYS' actually stands for '[B]G[/B]lobal [B]A[/B]nti-russian agenc[B]Y[/B] of e[B]S[/B]pionage', didn't you know?
[QUOTE=revzin;41575328]'GAYS' actually stands for '[B]G[/B]lobal [B]A[/B]nti-russian agenc[B]Y[/B] of e[B]S[/B]pionage', didn't you know?[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, you just opened my eyes. Time to get my pitchfork and flames, rally my city and go kill [del]witches[/del] gays.
[QUOTE=maxumym;41575358]Holy shit, you just opened my eyes. Time to get my pitchfork and flames, rally my city and go kill [del]witches[/del] gays.[/QUOTE]
♫We're not safe until he's dead!
He'll come stalking us at night!
Set to sacrifice our children to his monstrous appetite!
He'll wreak havoc on our village if we let him wander free!
So it's time to take some action, boys,
It's time to follow me!♫
Okay, let's put the breaks on for one second and step back. Take all the semantics and brain games and time portals and put them in a box.
What I'm going to say is going to sound backwards, conservative, and cruel as well as whatever other #hashtag you want to slap on there.
Being gay really isn't normal. I don't mean it's not possible to lead a happy, upstanding moral life or be perfectly mentally healthy and gay. What I mean is it's not part of normalcy, if we understand normalcy to be the overwhelming majority of things. Or even any other semantic drawing of 'normal' you might come up with.
"B-b-but everyone's a little gay on the inside! I read a study!" That's nice. But we're not talking about everyone's littlegays, or the bi-curious thoughts truck drivers have when their mechanic bends over. We're talking about Joe Johnson (or if we want to take a hop over to Russia, Akaki Akakiavich). He drives a car to work, wears a collared shirt and probably voted for the political party that his father did. He will never fuck a dude, or suck a dick, or even kiss his best friend in a bar bet to impress some hot chicks who are 'totally into bi guys'.
If we put say, the best gay man we can find in his living room, that is the most charismatic, reasonable and urbane one we've got (let's say Neil Patrick Harris) Joe would be pretty keen on hearing what he's got to say. Joe is like most people, and just wants peace and quietude and maybe fairplay when it doesn't get in his way. And as far as all of the arguments, and statistics and things go then there's no reason not to treat gay people like they're a normal part of society deserving of respect and fair treatment and kindness and gentility and all of the other bubbly buzzwords that go into an uplifting tummy tickler.
But Joe won't have Neil Patrick Harris in his living room when he sits down with a can of beer, and tugs off his crappy clip on tie. He has George Takai on TV going "ohhh myyyy" and a lisping effeminate fellow chopping on and on about how much he likes glitter and sparkles and big [I]hot dogs tee-hee[/I]. Joe isn't a huge fan of these things, or for that matter this type of behavior and this is his biggest exposure to ideas of homosexual lifestyles.
Let's say Joe actually encounters some homosexuals during his daily life. A rare instance, since no matter how many littlegays we have bottled up in our chests, or how much we'd love to suck Brad Pitt's dick, genuine Homosexuals are still a minority. Probably a smaller minority than the optimistic 1 in 10 that is often thrown out there by Gay Rights Advos, or the somewhat ivory tower professors of sex. Even thinner on the ground if he lives somewhere hostile to gays, like the American South East or the Russian North West.
Who is Joe more likely to encounter? A well dressed, calmly spoken Gay advocating his cause with quiet modesty, or say... The mardi-gras-in-june-streamers-and-glitter-and-leather sex parade that is celebrating some nebulous sense of gay pride? More importantly, which one is he likely to notice? Because if you put a nice gay man in a suit next to a faggy drag queen who's busy sashaying around and threatening to grope the next passer by, I'm more likely to notice the rainbow colored danger zone before I register that the potential-jehova-witness lookalike wants to talk to me about how I'll be voting next election round.
Alright alright, so Joe's concept of gays isn't the most positive. No reason he can't still TREAT them normally! After all, this is 2013! We live in an age where we're all connected and sing the same song of fairplay and equality in unison!
We'll that's an adorable fairy tail. No matter who you are, no matter what you think, you likely have some subtle bias. No matter what crime shows or crappy films tell you, bias isn't a screaming chimera that goes waddling down the street, screaming "NIGGER SPICK FAGGOT CHURRO" while panning a shotgun around looking for minorities to oppress. It's as small as leaning back and going "God damn BRs," after a bad match of your favorite videogamebowl or leaning forward with a heartfelt sigh and chuffing out a loud "For fuck sake [website user type]" after someone posts something derivative.
Some great author called them Granfalloons. The small meaningless tags and labels we assemble and then give to ourselves or others. But that's the thing, they're not always meaningless. They're shorthand in our mind.
Let's go back to Joe. He's chatting with a friendly barista at his local coffeeshop. The Barista is a young twenty something male who went to college, has a middle class background and might be wearing buddy-holly glasses. With a candid giggle, the Barista admits to Joe that he hopes he can find a boyfriend and marry him. Joe's mind, like all of our minds, immediately seizes upon the tags he associates with relevant information. A few keywords stand out for Joe, keywords ingrained upon his social consciousness by his impressions of 'gay'. Ideas like promiscuity, sexual aggressiveness, and amorality jolt through Joe's mind. He flashes upon the coy smile and friendly banter with his coffee server and with an internal blanche stammers "Oh I'm not gay" before clumsily putting down the money for his drink and making his best polite-quick-walk-run to the car. As he sits there and sips his coffee, he thinks "that fag was hitting on me!"
At some point, the episode subsides and Joe carries on with life. If Joe is liberally minded he rubs off the encounter as a misunderstanding, perhaps because he doesn't know much about the gays. If he's of a more conservative mindset he tags it as a dangerous brush with something unknown. And that's exactly it, something unknown. And he has no inclination to know more since as far as he's concerned he has experienced the breadth and depth of gay-ness through the bright modern interconnectivity of TV/Internet/Phone, his life experiences and this recent coffee shop encounter.
No matter what happens though, Joe in this hopefully not-implausible thought experiment displayed a quiet, polite and reactive bias. He didn't burst out in a WBC-esque protest of homosexuals, or spit on the counter or splash his coffee in the young man's face. He instead drew mental shortcuts using the very very negative (and not entirely unwarranted) appearances of gay culture, and reacted in a way that as far as he would concern himself, protect himself from an unpleasant situation without being too discourteous.
In the same way, a lot of normal people like Joe find it hard to get too riled up about helping out the gays, or being on their side. As far as they see it, they've done enough to help out old Queer-o, and it's just an entitlement slide from here on out. If you're of a spiritual mind, you probably feel like some great and sinister force is at work trying to damage morality and gentility (again, because as far as it appears, Gays are a travelling caravan of bondage gear and sin).
There's so much more to talk about here. Like the fact that we don't live in a vacuum and that gay rights of any sort is a relatively novel and new concept, or like the fact that you can't just beat the quiet reactive prejudice out of people, or that if you want to enforce a point of view on the world that's actually just basic fascism even if it is in the interest of a 'greater good' or 'equality'.
I say this as a man who has a boyfriend. My relationship doesn't define who I am though. If you asked me to self-identify in some strange post-Freudian psyche exercise, I'd probably say student or gamer and then a dozen other things before I got to my sexuality. It's easy for me as an American to sit back and couch my sexuality in comfortable terms, since plenty of generations before me have given so much to win that right, and so many still do, but it slingshots over a line when you begin insisting homosexuality is 'normal'. It's not.
It's a unique character trait, like being a ginger or a genius or able to solve a crossword puzzle using a sudoku formula. It's not a part of 'normal' society though by any means. It's a minority interest, and when it's most visible points are sexually-threatening 'pride parades', or goofy transvestites, or lisping interior designers then it's a lot harder to say that "gay" as a primary identifier is at all normal. It goes way out of it's way to not be normal in a lot of cases.
We tend to forget that on the internet, where we're faced with the strange and bizarre on a daily basis. Where being just [I]gay[/I] is not only normal, but infact make you look close minded next to the cisgendered demideipansexual otherkin who is REALLY out there, but still a totally nice person.
On topic of the topic itself, it's just Putin/Putin's Party tapping into that subtle bias I talked about, the giant fear of the unknown and cementing the very visible alliance between the church and the state of Russia. Believe it or not, the R.Orthodox church is... less than kind, on the topic of homosexuality, and this is like lining up a slam dunk from downtown for them.
It'll be enforced in some places, where the state has more power, but it'll, like so many of the Russian FPers have insisted, probably just be a paper lion elsewhere. Russia is a big country, with a great deal of inconsistency. Greater than most of us Western FPers are used to in what we would call a Federal country. It's a shame though, and it's horrific evidence of the grip that old ideas and easy, 'common sense' thoughts have over many of us.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;41575378]a lot of shit[/QUOTE]
can you maybe break down your arguments into bullet points?
also refrain from using hypotheticals
[QUOTE=Dog;41575563]can you maybe break down your arguments into bullet points?
also refrain from using hypotheticals[/QUOTE]
I took a lot of time thinking about how to break down my argument for you, and revise it to fit your demands. I think you'll like my reply,
[I]No.[/I]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41571021]
Have you ever been to a beach before? Or did Russia arrest beaches too
[/QUOTE]
Again, it's normal to be half naked on a beach, on a street however, it's not
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41571021]
"All black history month does is make blacks look like annoying entitled niggers and separate them further from everyone else", right?
[/QUOTE]
You're saying they jump from the trees naked during black history month? Okay
[QUOTE=qwerty000;41575965]Again, it's normal to be half naked on a beach, on a street however, it's not
You're saying they jump from the trees naked during black history month? Okay[/QUOTE]
I would find half naked people on the streets uncomfortable too, but every human should decide what he wants to do without giving a fuck about everyone else and no law should hinder him.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41566586]pretty sure that being a brony/furry is a completely different thing to being gay.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, person being naturally attracted to X is completely different from person being naturally attracted to Y. To answer the post you will probably make, yes. Homosexuality was considered a disorder and mental illness too not long ago. I'm not a furry, just a bit more open minded than you double standard asses. Would be funny watching you, in 20 years white knighting furries the same as you do with gays now.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41566586]
I've never seen, in 4 years of being here, a gay person being as obnoxious that like a lot of furry/brony posters that are on the forums.[/QUOTE]
That's cute :smile:
1)Go to community's forum/thread
2)Bring back their content/discussions
3)Laugh at them
4)Call obnoxious for 'forcing' themselves on you.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;41575731]I took a lot of time thinking about how to break down my argument for you, and revise it to fit your demands. I think you'll like my reply,
[I]No.[/I][/QUOTE]
brevity is a virtue
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;41575731]I took a lot of time thinking about how to break down my argument for you, and revise it to fit your demands. I think you'll like my reply,
[I]No.[/I][/QUOTE]
i've skimmed over it. your argument consists mostly of a hypothetical involving a man called Joe which for all intents and purposes is a projection of your assumptions about homosexuals
that post was 1,700 words, show me how much of that is actually worth something
I think Russia needs to really stop caring who's dick gets Putin who.
[sp]that was the worst pun i've made[/sp]
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