Russian SU 24 buzzes US Navy ship; gets as close as 30 ft from it - Polidicks

The Russians are notorious for pulling these kinds of stunts. I'm fairly certain its an attempt to provoke a response, and had we responded and the plane is unarmed politically we'd have a pile of shit on our plate.

There's a video of it [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvql2kUQn9w[/media]

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;50126911]so why did they not fire up the CIWS?[/QUOTE] Because the plane would have been shrapnel if they had

I have immense respect for ship's officers for this kind of shit. They have to decide whether the 'threat' approaching is actually a threat and decide between international incident and being proactive in protecting the force. Talk about handling ambiguity. I mean, they probably have RoE but at the end of the day the decision rests with the guy up top whether he needs to protect his vessel. That said, we should give as good as we get. 'Simulated attacks' on our warships should get the aircraft lit up by tracking radar and CIWS radar just to remind them we mean business (which I sometimes wonder if we do) I mean, when they do simulated attacks on mainland UK they get a wartime response minus the shooting. They should expect that anywhere, because otherwise they know they can get away with it again.

Great. We've hurt Putin so much with our sanctions that Russia's foreign policy has devolved to North Korean levels of pettiness. Sad day for a country that used to be taken seriously as a world power.

Major props to the commander!

[I]30ft no responce? That's a new record comrade Ivan. [/I] maybe next time they are just going to land on ship, slap someone's shoulder and just go "now your turn!"

[QUOTE=hijacker;50126873]Mutally Assured Destruction[/QUOTE] Mutually Assured Destruction does not exist in the capacity you think of anymore. The amount of active warheads maintained by Russia and the US are astronomically smaller than they were during the height of the cold war. There is simply not enough Nukes to turn the Earth into a smoldering crater anymore. If anything Nukes would be used strategically to blow up other Nuclear silos or Submarine bases instead of population centers, also the technology to stop ICBM'S has vastly improved since then, increasing the likelihood of surviving a nuclear attacks.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50127612]Mutually Assured Destruction does not exist in the capacity you think of anymore. The amount of active warheads maintained by Russia and the US are astronomically smaller than they were during the height of the cold war. There is simply not enough Nukes to turn the Earth into a smoldering crater anymore. If anything Nukes would be used strategically to blow up other Nuclear silos or Submarine bases instead of population centers, also the technology to stop ICBM'S has vastly improved since then, increasing the likelihood of surviving a nuclear attacks.[/QUOTE] Nukes are for targeting civilian population centers. More than enough exist just in the subarmine launched stockpile to decimate the US and Russia. While tech advances have made stopping ICBM's during the boost phase possible, very little can stop a warhead during its descent. It is very small and going very fast. Mutually assured destruction remains the primary deterrent here. It doesn't apply here simply because nobody is going to bother over one jet. The jet should have been shot down. Every Russian jet that closes to CIWS range and fails to respond to radio calls should get a face full of phalanx rounds. Give them every opportunity to wave off, but if they buzz a warship, the response should be destruction. You don't buzz warships with ground attack aircraft. This is beyond even cold war era provacation.

No one wants a war with Russia.

The ship could have engaged the Su-24 in self-defense, BUT I think the commander made the right call to not engage the aircraft since they confirmed that it was 'clean' and had no weapons mounted; it had no hostile intent and it wasn't armed. In general ROE you as the defender cannot escalate, it's like throwing a punch at the person who is holding their finger an inch from your shoulder.

Should have started throwing up foodstuffs at them to see if they could hit them from that height. Bonus points if you shishkebab it on the nose.

[QUOTE=GunFox;50127707]Nukes are for targeting civilian population centers. More than enough exist just in the subarmine launched stockpile to decimate the US and Russia. While tech advances have made stopping ICBM's during the boost phase possible, very little can stop a warhead during its descent. It is very small and going very fast. Mutually assured destruction remains the primary deterrent here. It doesn't apply here simply because nobody is going to bother over one jet. The jet should have been shot down. Every Russian jet that closes to CIWS range and fails to respond to radio calls should get a face full of phalanx rounds. Give them every opportunity to wave off, but if they buzz a warship, the response should be destruction. You don't buzz warships with ground attack aircraft. This is beyond even cold war era provacation.[/QUOTE] Christ why are you so war hungry? Sure the pilots were being dicks but they are real people, just like you, they didn't do anything to deserve getting killed. A lock-on warning at the very most. You can't just kill a person because you think you're better than them. Don't dare come back with "oh but if we did that they would have killed us." You may be right in saying that but how does that make you any better than them? The commander did the right thing in not shooting them down. He took the high ground and didn't kick up a shitstorm. Actions like that deserve respect, not ridicule. This may just be because I'm Scottish but from my point of view, you're lax gun laws (in comparison to over here) have left the general populous rather dulled to the idea of killing another person. I'm generalising here but it's hard not to given the shit you see in the news regarding police and some of the conversations I've had with gun owners, I get the impression that American's value themselves over others (not saying other nations don't) to the extent they're quite open to killing people for the smallest of disrespectful actions. I'm not 100% against gun ownership, I understand the benefits but I think the social acceptance of firearms in America has severely damaged the public's psychi. [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheMrFailz;50128501]Should have started throwing up foodstuffs at them to see if they could hit them from that height. Bonus points if you shishkebab it on the nose.[/QUOTE] Uh, they're jets. Something solid goes in that engine and it's going down.

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;50128664]Christ why are you so war hungry? Sure the pilots were being dicks but they are real people, just like you, they didn't do anything to deserve getting killed. A lock-on warning at the very most. You can't just kill a person because you think you're better than them. Don't dare come back with "oh but if we did that they would have killed us." You may be right in saying that but how does that make you any better than them? The commander did the right thing in not shooting them down. He took the high ground and didn't kick up a shitstorm. Actions like that deserve respect, not ridicule. This may just be because I'm Scottish but from my point of view, you're lax gun laws (in comparison to over here) have left the general populous rather dulled to the idea of killing another person. I'm generalising here but it's hard not to given the shit you see in the news regarding police and some of the conversations I've had with gun owners, I get the impression that American's value themselves over others (not saying other nations don't) to the extent they're quite open to killing people for the smallest of disrespectful actions. I'm not 100% against gun ownership, I understand the benefits but I think the social acceptance of firearms in America has severely damaged the public's psychi. [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] Uh, they're jets. Something solid goes in that engine and it's going down.[/QUOTE] The jet endangered the lives of 250 American sailors and a Polish helicopter flight crew. One mistake during the ELEVEN simulated attack runs could have killed and injured hundreds. All for what? Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. This was flagrant disregard for life on board a ship that wasn't even doing anything weird. They were training with Poland by themselves. The probing of air defense networks by sending bombers towards a nation is common. It is an intelligence gathering tool and risks basically nobody. They do it all the time in Alaska and Europe. This isn't that. This crosses the line into dangerous. [editline]13th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;50127838]The ship could have engaged the Su-24 in self-defense, BUT I think the commander made the right call to not engage the aircraft since they confirmed that it was 'clean' and had no weapons mounted; it had no hostile intent and it wasn't armed. In general ROE you as the defender cannot escalate, it's like throwing a punch at the person who is holding their finger an inch from your shoulder.[/QUOTE] They only knew it was clean because the aircraft buzzed the ship so close that the crew could see it had no armaments. Had it had armaments, it would have been long since too late.

Honestly, I would chalk this up to a couple of idiot pilots. People are freaking out, and this shit (apparently, haven't done what you would call extensive reading) would happen quite a bit. Maybe not at such a low altitude and such a close proximity, but still.

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;50128664]Christ why are you so war hungry? Sure the pilots were being dicks but they are real people, just like you, they didn't do anything to deserve getting killed. A lock-on warning at the very most. You can't just kill a person because you think you're better than them. Don't dare come back with "oh but if we did that they would have killed us." You may be right in saying that but how does that make you any better than them? The commander did the right thing in not shooting them down. He took the high ground and didn't kick up a shitstorm. Actions like that deserve respect, not ridicule. This may just be because I'm Scottish but from my point of view, you're lax gun laws (in comparison to over here) have left the general populous rather dulled to the idea of killing another person. I'm generalising here but it's hard not to given the shit you see in the news regarding police and some of the conversations I've had with gun owners, [B]I get the impression that American's value themselves over others (not saying other nations don't) to the extent they're quite open to killing people for the smallest of disrespectful actions.[/B] I'm not 100% against gun ownership, I understand the benefits but I think the social acceptance of firearms in America has severely damaged the public's psychi.[/QUOTE] This is false. The truth is, Americans value themselves over others (not saying other nations don't) to the extent they're quite open to killing people over [B]reasonable fears[/B]. The beginning of your post talking about the value of the pilot's life was telling. I'm beginning to believe that even reasonable self defense actions are seen as bloodthirsty by many Europeans, and this does not bode well for the future of your continent. [editline]13th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ewitwins;50128910]Honestly, I would chalk this up to a couple of idiot pilots. People are freaking out, and this shit (apparently, haven't done what you would call extensive reading) would happen quite a bit. [B]Maybe not at such a low altitude and such a close proximity[/B], but still.[/QUOTE] That's precisely why "people are freaking out". Do you not see how this particular event is drastically different from the average Russian bomber probe?

Destroyers such as this one has got surface to air missiles, right? Couldn't they have illuminated the pilots with their radar to make them sweat a bit?

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;50128664]Christ why are you so war hungry? Sure the pilots were being dicks but they are real people, just like you, they didn't do anything to deserve getting killed. A lock-on warning at the very most. You can't just kill a person because you think you're better than them. Don't dare come back with "oh but if we did that they would have killed us." You may be right in saying that but how does that make you any better than them? The commander did the right thing in not shooting them down. He took the high ground and didn't kick up a shitstorm. Actions like that deserve respect, not ridicule. This may just be because I'm Scottish but from my point of view, you're lax gun laws (in comparison to over here) have left the general populous rather dulled to the idea of killing another person. I'm generalising here but it's hard not to given the shit you see in the news regarding police and some of the conversations I've had with gun owners, I get the impression that American's value themselves over others (not saying other nations don't) to the extent they're quite open to killing people for the smallest of disrespectful actions. I'm not 100% against gun ownership, I understand the benefits but I think the social acceptance of firearms in America has severely damaged the public's psychi. [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] Uh, they're jets. Something solid goes in that engine and it's going down.[/QUOTE] This post embodies such a drastic and hilarious misunderstanding of the situation i dont even know where to begin

Russian pilot just wanted to do this obviously [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdHBsWXaHN8[/media] "xaxaxa dmitri)))) I am Top Gun da??)))))"

I feel like we're getting closer to war with Russia. Didn't Putin announce that he wants to annex all of the former USSR countries? I know the US has sent troops to Eastern Europe and is going to be building bases there...

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50130261]I feel like we're getting closer to war with Russia. Didn't Putin announce that he wants to annex all of the former USSR countries? I know the US has sent troops to Eastern Europe and is going to be building bases there...[/QUOTE] This is all just about Putin appearing strong to his supporters, he doesn't want a war with NATO.

I heard it on the news yesterday. Some people think it's a "warning sign for Poland", since they had a Polish helicopter and it's crew onboard, but I don't really think that's true...

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;50130276]This is all just about Putin appearing strong to his supporters, he doesn't want a war with NATO.[/QUOTE] He has China to back him up... They do have a fighting chance in getting what they want.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50127612]Mutually Assured Destruction does not exist in the capacity you think of anymore. The amount of active warheads maintained by Russia and the US are astronomically smaller than they were during the height of the cold war. There is simply not enough Nukes to turn the Earth into a smoldering crater anymore. If anything Nukes would be used strategically to blow up other Nuclear silos or Submarine bases instead of population centers, also the technology to stop ICBM'S has vastly improved since then, increasing the likelihood of surviving a nuclear attacks.[/QUOTE] Once any amount of Nukes start flying it would would be near impossible to scale down the level of retaliation.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50130299]He has China to back him up... They do have a fighting chance in getting what they want.[/QUOTE] That's delusional, China has no reason to attack the US either. Furthermore, China and Russia are just barely 'allies', they may be economic friends, but that does not translate to military cooperation.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50130299]He has China to back him up... They do have a fighting chance in getting what they want.[/QUOTE] But that's implying that China has a competent military

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;50130308]But that's implying that China has a competent military[/QUOTE] They have a fuck ton of people. And a pretty large military. They're not incompetent.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50130337]They have a fuck ton of people. And a pretty large military.[/QUOTE] Just because you have the bodies doesn't mean that you have the odds too

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;50130337]They have a fuck ton of people. And a pretty large military. They're not incompetent.[/QUOTE] Yeah man, their mega high quality J-15s are the best planes in the entire world! Gotta watch out for those!

[QUOTE=Anders118;50130382]Yeah man, their mega high quality J-15s are the best planes in the entire world! Gotta watch out for those![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Michael haxz;50130348]Just because you have the bodies doesn't mean that you have the odds too[/QUOTE] here come the american jingoists and war mongers [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] next stop is posting the number of tanks, planes and aircraft carriers each country has so that the dickstroking will be complete.