Netherlands: Suicide victim's son learns of father's death after photos go viral - Polidicks

-snip- I'm an idiot.

Man if I saw a dude get hit by a train I'd just nope the fuck out of the area and try to clear my head I certainly wouldn't put it where all my friends could see it too

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[QUOTE=sltungle;36546660]To be honest jumping in front of a train is really inconsiderate thing to do. If you're gonna kill yourself don't, 1) potentially mentally traumatise (or even mentally scar for life) up to dozens of random people who have to watch you partake in your selfish act (not to mention the fucking train driver himself who's most likely going to blame himself), and 2) ruin everybody's fucking day by making them miss their train to their job/uni/school, whatever. I mean I'd be pissed off if I missed a really useful lecture at uni that would have helped me greatly in future assignments/an exam or something because some wanker decided to off himself in such a dickish way.[/QUOTE] My dad is in a technical response team for the local metro system. Redirecting metro traffic in case of emergency or maintainance. He talks to Metro drivers alot after incidents. People jump in front of the trains regularly and the drivers have been tought to go and tie their shoelaces when someone jumps in front of their train.

My mind would be scarred for life if it happened in front of me.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;36548596]Suicide isn't an act of selfishness. It is an act of desperation. [/quote] Selfishness and Desperation are not mutually exclusive. [quote]You cannot expect people to live for the sake of others - if they don't want to.[/quote] I don't. But doing something regardless of what others want because it benefits you is the definition of selfish. [quote]And no, that isn't the definition of selfishness.[/quote] I believe you'll find that [url=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/selfish]it[/url] [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Selfishness?s=t]indeed[/url] [url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/selfishness]is[/url] the definition of selfishness. [quote]being concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. This [B]does not[/B] apply to suicide because guess what, the victim cannot care for his or her own benefits and welfare. They gain nothing by offing themselves. [B]They're dead[/B].[/quote] They gain death. An escape from whatever situation they're in. This might not seem desirable to you, but it can be to others, and some might consider it a benefit. If someone is in constant agony, who are you to say that death isn't more desirable than life in pain?

The principal of the school next to the tracks(where the kids are from) said it wasn't strange at all that kids took photo's and shared them online. In the Netherlands alot of people discuss everything on twitter, from good times to bad times. They take pictures of things they do and things that happen. Just like this. If the train would have ran over a mouse, they would have video'ed it too, thats how they process/cope with stuff.

[QUOTE=Paramud;36548801] I don't. But doing something regardless of what others want because it benefits you is the definition of selfish. [/QUOTE] They don't have the obligation to do that, it's not the suiciders fault because of someone outside of their control grew an emotional attachment or have some kind of dependence on that person. So in the sense of not letting someone kill themselves for the reason that they benefit from him being alive is the selfish act.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;36547016] But suicide itself is not selfish in at all, because it is more selfish to ask a person to continue living for your own mental stability. Just so that you wont feel a little sad for a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE] "A little sad for a couple weeks?" Is your entire social sphere made up of casual acquaintances or something?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;36548888]Death isn't escape. Death is nothingness. They can't "gain" death because they simply stop existing.[/quote] Once you die, you'll have no worries. No responsibilities, no debts, no pain. It is an escape. The ultimate escape. [quote]What people 'consider' suicide is irrelevant. Im talking about what it's actually considered as by definition.[/quote] Alright, just so I know, what are you talking about? [quote]There is nothing to gain from death but a sudden stop to not only agony - but also pleasure, and every other emotion a person can possibly feel.[/QUOTE] And how does that make death not an escape? [QUOTE=Daemon;36548889]They don't have the obligation to do that, it's not the suiciders fault because of someone outside of their control grew an emotional attachment or have some kind of dependence on that person. So in the sense of not letting someone kill themselves for the reason that they benefit from him being alive is the selfish act.[/QUOTE] I honestly can't tell what your point is. Could you reword this, if you don't mind?

That's just awful.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;36549058]Escape implies the person in question is fleeing from a world of pain/sorrow/confinement into a world of freedom. A place that is supposed to be better than the our world. This is false, because they simply stop existing. Nothing happens after that.[/quote] Your incredibly poetic definition of escape aside, they are free. Free from whatever issues pushed them into the decision to kill themselves. [quote]You dont escape from a world of 'something' into a world of 'nothingness'.[/quote] Do these problems follow them into death? Will they be haunted by mortgages and relationships as a ghost? [quote]This may seem a little confusing at first, but you'll get it.[/QUOTE] You don't have to condescend to argue something.

[QUOTE=Singo;36546387]Why would you videotape that? Disrespectful pricks.[/QUOTE] lol how is it disrespectful. He fucking killed himself he deserves no respect.

[QUOTE=Scot;36549201]lol how is it disrespectful. He fucking killed himself he deserves no respect.[/QUOTE] No, if he had some kind of depression that caused him to do this then he definitely deserves respect, and to be honest I think it's also kind of disrespectful to his family who are mourning his loss.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36549217]No, if he had some kind of depression that caused him to do this then he definitely deserves respect, and to be honest I think it's also kind of disrespectful to his family who are mourning his loss.[/QUOTE] As people pointed out before, if he didn't want anyone to film him maybe he shouldn't have done it in fucking public.

[QUOTE=Scot;36549227]As people pointed out before, if he didn't want anyone to film him maybe he shouldn't have done it in fucking public.[/QUOTE] Desperate people do desperate things

[QUOTE=Singo;36546387]Why would you videotape that? Disrespectful pricks.[/QUOTE] I think the only reason could be; is because it rarely happens.

[QUOTE=Paramud;36548965] I honestly can't tell what your point is. Could you reword this, if you don't mind?[/QUOTE] Well, I'm confused on the subject really. I recognise that stopping someone from killing themselves because they don't find life acceptable is selfish. Suicide is certainly an action towards someones own interest and the causation left behind can intend it to be selfish, but i ain't going to argue with someone who feels like they have no choice in the matter but to do it. Anyone care to clarify or help?

idk i have empathy for most ppl comitting suicide, but jumping infront one of our trains is not cool. because of train jumpers I and hundreds of other studens/working citizens are delayed. and think of those who have to clean up the mess, its just one of the most selfish way to commit suicide

[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;36550456]idk i have empathy for most ppl comitting suicide, but jumping infront one of our trains is not cool. because of train jumpers I and hundreds of other studens/working citizens are delayed. and think of those who have to clean up the mess, its just one of the most selfish way to commit suicide[/QUOTE] It looks that way doesn't it? I wish euthanasia was a viable option for some of these people because many of the methods available to suiciders are un effiecent, un professional and un reliable. If i had to, i would most probably stick my head into a rapid moving train just because it would be near instant. I shouldn't have to have any less of respect for considering a method that is the best available to me without the discomfort.

My thoughts go out to the family that he left behind.

The comments on that video are disgusting.

[QUOTE=Paramud;36548965]Once you die, you'll have no worries. No responsibilities, no debts, no pain. It is an escape. The ultimate escape. Alright, just so I know, what are you talking about? And how does that make death not an escape? I honestly can't tell what your point is. Could you reword this, if you don't mind?[/QUOTE] ~~~[I]D[/I][U]E[/U][B]e[/B]p*|*[B]e[/B][U]D[/U][I]g[/I][B][I][U]Y[/U][/I][/B]~~~

[QUOTE=taipan;36548698]My dad is in a technical response team for the local metro system. Redirecting metro traffic in case of emergency or maintainance. He talks to Metro drivers alot after incidents. People jump in front of the trains regularly and the drivers have been tought to go and tie their shoelaces when someone jumps in front of their train.[/QUOTE] My friend's dad is a train driver and he says people jump into trains on a fairly reasonable basis, which is why train drivers are paid quite alot and well trained for the occasion.

[QUOTE=Hatsen;36547460]Sure did happen to me yesterday. I was stuck for 2 and a half hour, one day earlier and I had failed my last exam.[/QUOTE] Why is it, that every time you're meant to do something big, something insanely unlucky happens to you when on your way there or back again. Well. At least you make it every second time and this time was it.

If the son saw the pics before the family was notified, that means the son is into checking out pics of people hit by trains. I'm not judging, I watch videos on Liveleak myself. So the fact that it turned out to be his dad isn't really an issue. The loss of his dad is the issue. Maybe now the kid will have some empathy every time he watches a video of some mangled person and realize that's a human being with family too.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;36584082]If the son saw the pics before the family was notified, that means the son is into checking out pics of people hit by trains. I'm not judging, I watch videos on Liveleak myself. So the fact that it turned out to be his dad isn't really an issue. The loss of his dad is the issue. Maybe now the kid will have some empathy every time he watches a video of some mangled person and realize that's a human being with family too.[/QUOTE] Or someone showed him the pictures.

[QUOTE=Paramud;36548495]That does not diminish the selfishness of suicide.[/QUOTE] I think everyone who jumps to immediately call suicide selfish as if it is an absolute should read this. [url]http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller[/url] Particularly this part [quote]People say suicide is selfish. I think it's selfish to ask people to continue living painful and miserable lives, just so you possibly won't feel sad for a week or two. Suicide may be a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but it's also a permanent solution to a ~23 year-old problem that grows more intense and overwhelming every day.[/quote]

the video wasn't that graphic. still graphic enough for the kid.