NYPD handing out flyers strongly compelling people to upgrade to iOS 7 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bradyns;42295221]The update adds that tracking software for when your phone gets stolen.. So it would make sense from a legal pov, to let citizens be aware that if there phone is stolen, they can use that tracking app, send it to the police, and let them sort it out. Just a guess...[/QUOTE] The tracking application has been there for ages, it's just a little bit harder to disable now as you have to log in to do it(or just restore the fucking device as any thief would do)

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;42294369]911 would like to facetime[/QUOTE] Its sad because im being 100% serious on the matter of 911 using your cell phones camera to see whats going on

New York Police just wants to make sure your phone isn't broken in this winter's rain

[QUOTE=maurits150;42293040]The whole 'it doesn't take fingerprint in it's exact format so it's fine' argument is stupid. [I]The whole point of fingerprints is to uniquely identify a person.[/I] This means that even if an apple device just stores a list of special intersections in your fingerprints instead of the whole image, this list of intersections can still be used to uniquely identify you, effectively serving the same purpose as raw fingerprints. This is why I think the whole new fingerprint scanner fad is horrible and will only serve as more ways you can be uniquely identified by law enforcement/the government or even hackers that steal your data file(and yes a out of control and power hungry government can be a hacker too, if they haven't added 'legal' backdoors already).[/QUOTE] how is there a fingerprint scanner fad - there's been like 2 phones that I can remember in the last like 3 years that came with a fingerprint scanner do you just view it as a fad because apple's doing it?

[QUOTE=archangel125;42295082]'Strongly compelling' is such a sensationalist term.[/QUOTE] Well if you look at the flyers they are pretty compelling IMO

[QUOTE=The freeman;42295153]Nah, that would make too much sense so obviously that's wrong. Anything that the big bad government would want to get would have been added a long time ago. Chances are if you own an iPhone, anything you are worried about with iOS 7 is already in 6 and back. Also the [I]government and the police[/I] getting your fingerprint [I]helps[/I] you if you are the victim of a crime. Hurts you if you are the one committing it, of course.[/QUOTE] and if the big bad government was going to use iOS 7 to take pictures of wou wanking and send them to your childhood sweetheart why would they use a police flyer campaign to get people to upgrade when the update is [b]already pushed by apple[/b] to the devices that support it? jesus christ

man i'm jailbroken, and iOS7 looks like fisher price anyway, i think i'll stick with what i got

[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;42295315]The tracking application has been there for ages, it's just a little bit harder to disable now as you have to log in to do it(or just restore the fucking device as any thief would do)[/QUOTE] The tracking feature has been there for a while but it was a paid service that required a subscription to MobileMe. It's changed so that its free for all iOS 7 users which is a very un-apple thing to do.

this isn't even a new thing, it's just common sense since iphones are so popular [img]http://u.cubeupload.com/GenericMonk/f5a6ab69.jpg[/img]

What if I don't upgrade? Will I get arrested and sent to jail for 10 years?

[QUOTE=Cabbage;42295416]The tracking feature has been there for a while but it was a paid service that required a subscription to MobileMe. It's changed so that its free for all iOS 7 users which is a very un-apple thing to do.[/QUOTE] It's been free since iOS 5's iCloud transition?

[QUOTE=CheezMan;42295460]What if I don't upgrade? Will I get arrested and sent to jail for 10 years?[/QUOTE] Hilarious. Not upgrading will just leave you with whatever you have now. You miss out on new features and the new UI, but nothing major.

I don't see the problem with the fingerprint scanner, in no way does it infringe you. Even if you argue that the conspiring government could get your oh so precious finger print, what could they do with it? Use it to connect you with a crime scene? It's not even like they're searching through your personal information. I for one don't understand the opposition to DNA and fingerprint logging, why don't you just hide your face while you're at it because they could look at you.

[QUOTE=jesse1412;42296336]I don't see the problem with the fingerprint scanner, in no way does it infringe you. Even if you argue that the conspiring government could get your oh so precious finger print, what could they do with it? Use it to connect you with a crime scene? It's not even like they're searching through your personal information. I for one don't understand the opposition to DNA and fingerprint logging, why don't you just hide your face while you're at it because they could look at you.[/QUOTE] Implying that the government can just take your fingerprint without warrant. The hype over law enforcement doing anything with this is fucking ridiculous. It takes law enforcement (on average) 48 months to adapt and use new technology anyway

Find My iPhone, which helps find lost and stolen devices has had a major overhaul in iOS 7. That's why they're doing this. In iOS 7 you [b]cannot[/b] disable, sync to iTunes, restore, or otherwise change the phone unless you have the Apple ID login information [b]and[/b] the phone is unlocked (passcode/fingerprint scanner). That's why they're doing this. [editline]24th September 2013[/editline] That means that if your phone is stolen, you can still track it, they cannot restore it, they cannot do anything with it. It's rendered essentially useless to them.

Obviously this is a conspiracy and has nothing to do with the NYPD not wanting to waste millions of dollars looking for people's phones

[QUOTE=maurits150;42293040]The whole 'it doesn't take fingerprint in it's exact format so it's fine' argument is stupid. [I]The whole point of fingerprints is to uniquely identify a person.[/I] This means that even if an apple device just stores a list of special intersections in your fingerprints instead of the whole image, this list of intersections can still be used to uniquely identify you, effectively serving the same purpose as raw fingerprints. This is why I think the whole new fingerprint scanner fad is horrible and will only serve as more ways you can be uniquely identified by law enforcement/the government or even hackers that steal your data file(and yes a out of control and power hungry government can be a hacker too, if they haven't added 'legal' backdoors already).[/QUOTE] Keeping all these fingerprints on file and checking them after every crime is just nonsense. FYI, it's very expensive to check that database, and it takes a long time. They're not going to waste their resources on some schmuck who got caught smoking pot. They're not going to send him to some secret FEMA camp because evil Apple had his prints on record. Having a database that massive defeats the purpose. The bigger it is, the longer it takes to scan. That's why they only put criminals on there. Criminals are more likely to commit another crime. No matter how you look at it, maintaining a database like that is just dumb.

[QUOTE=rilez;42298479]Keeping all these fingerprints on file and checking them after every crime is just nonsense. FYI, it's very expensive to check that database, and it takes a long time. They're not going to waste their resources on some schmuck who got caught smoking pot. They're not going to send him to some secret FEMA camp because evil Apple had his prints on record. Having a database that massive defeats the purpose. The bigger it is, the longer it takes to scan. That's why they only put criminals on there. Criminals are more likely to commit another crime. No matter how you look at it, maintaining a database like that is just dumb.[/QUOTE] Who says they are going to use that information now? I mean the NSA is already allowed to store encrypted traffic until they get the equipment to crack it in a timely manner, so what is keeping these guys from storing data about our fingerprints now and abusing them later?

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42293034]or maybe it's just that there's a problem with iphones getting stolen in NY so they're just encouraging people to take advantage of new security features?[/QUOTE] I'm going to NYU, and the most stolen objects by far are Iphones, so we not only had the NYPD setting up an info booth during Welcome Week, but we have posters up telling us to make sure we upgrade.

wow you guys actually think the NYPD is collaborating with the NSA to get people to upgrade to iOS7 so that they can access your camera and see the inside of your pocket or the side of your leg just in case you're recording you plot to overthrow the government, yeah ok no, it's because the NYPD's probably pretty sick of getting stolen iPhone reports. in a city the size of NYC, the number of stolen iPhones is probably pretty fucking massive. by telling people to get a software upgrade that greatly increases the risk of stealing phones by making them more difficult to wipe clean, the NYPD makes stolen iPhone reports much, much easier to handle. throwing out a bunch of fliers in order to improve police logistics is a pretty good use of their time. it's not a giant conspiracy between local police forces and federal government agencies. any terrorist with the ability to do damage would be using either disposable phones or no phones anyways - thinking that the NSA wants to access your camera in order to hear the rustling of your jeans is conspiratory paranoia. [editline]24th September 2013[/editline] then again this is Facepunch and if something mentions a technology company and a government agency in the same post, it's an obvious NSA plot to track 14-year-old kids' locations and record their clothes rustling just in case

[QUOTE=.Isak.;42298821]wow you guys actually think the NYPD is collaborating with the NSA to get people to upgrade to iOS7 so that they can access your camera and see the inside of your pocket or the side of your leg just in case you're recording you plot to overthrow the government, yeah ok no, it's because the NYPD's probably pretty sick of getting stolen iPhone reports. in a city the size of NYC, the number of stolen iPhones is probably pretty fucking massive. by telling people to get a software upgrade that greatly increases the risk of stealing phones by making them more difficult to wipe clean, the NYPD makes stolen iPhone reports much, much easier to handle. throwing out a bunch of fliers in order to improve police logistics is a pretty good use of their time. it's not a giant conspiracy between local police forces and federal government agencies. any terrorist with the ability to do damage would be using either disposable phones or no phones anyways - thinking that the NSA wants to access your camera in order to hear the rustling of your jeans is conspiratory paranoia. [editline]24th September 2013[/editline] then again this is Facepunch and if something mentions a technology company and a government agency in the same post, it's an obvious NSA plot to track 14-year-old kids' locations and record their clothes rustling just in case[/QUOTE] This right here is the conclusion I came to. Its not a conspiracy, just a police department in one of the largest cities in the world getting sick of dealing with stolen iPhones. If a government agency [i]really[/i] wanted that information, they would just take it. Its not like its stopped them the past few decades.