Phil Fish blows a gasket, tells media member to "kill himself" - FEZ 2 CANCELED, owned?
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[QUOTE=J!NX;41620834]ok
stop making shitty games, and stop making shitty posts and since thats probably too hard for him... first he should stop all together, grow up, and THEN get back onto track.
EA is bad enough with the gaming industry, and Phil Fish only makes it worse by acting as if he's all that.[/QUOTE]
Oh my mate. You're being uselessly cruel, mean and bully-ish here.
A lot of people liked Fez, there isn't some unanimous agreement that it was complete shit y'know. Which you'd need for this to be anything other than a personal attack.
Fish isn't a big enough part of the gaming industry to be stacked against EA in terms of clout. Stupid point.
[QUOTE=SourBree;41620886]Oh my mate. You're being uselessly cruel, mean and bully-ish here.
A lot of people liked Fez, there isn't some unanimous agreement that it was complete shit y'know. Which you'd need for this to be anything other than a personal attack.
Fish isn't a big enough part of the gaming industry to be stacked against EA in terms of clout. Stupid point.[/QUOTE]
Ok, sure, he doesn't belong in the EA catagory, but lets face it, the way he acts is pretty pathetic, I don't say it "Because I don't like his game or are bandwagoning", I say it because he acts like an asshole and acts like fez is bigger than it actually is
[url]http://storify.com/MikeASchneider/phil-fish-s-pretentious-discount[/url]
[QUOTE]
Phil "Fuck head" Phish
@PHIL_FISH
9$ for a game like FEZ is a STEAL. i should be charging you 90$ you fucking ingrates.[/QUOTE]
I'm not being "Uselessly cruel", please stop it. "Bullying him", are you kidding me? What should I do? Be kind and nice to him even though he acts like a pretentious dick? And you can like Fez all you want, but the fact of the matter is its very over rated and really doesn't deserve the attention it's gotten. It's not "complete shit", but it's hardly anything that is above average at best. In fact, at best, its probably well below average. it brings absolutely nothing and Phil acts as if its an across the board 5/5 star game. The gameplay is at best generic, dull, and, very poorly made. No matter how shitty it gets, obviously people will like it, but that doesn't mean much when someone who actually cares to actually take one look at other games and compare to fez can see the flaws behind the game.
The reason people treat him like shit is because he treats others like shit, and acts like shit. No he doesn't deserve "Kill yourself Phil", but, he can still "Stop posting". Because he does deserve to be told he's being an immature idiot. Why? because maybe if someone tells that to him long enough, he'll get the point and stop being an asshole.
The fact that he actually "Cancelled Fez 2" like this just shows how big of a gigantic man-child he is. I get that he's angry that people don't like Fez but I don't see why he has to be such a dick about it.
Talk about picking up your ball and going home. What a baby.
Fish needs to grow up and take a back seat with the development of games.
If he ever hopes to spearhead a project successfully he needs someone else to tackle PR and he needs someone directly making decisions just like he does but also keeping him in check. If you don't have someone/a few people making sure you don't lose focus and make rational design choices you end up with a blatantly flawed game.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XVxVbLP.jpg[/IMG]
[sp]the fish mask in hotline miami is called "phil" and translates all the cutscenes to french[/sp]
Phil Fish just seems like an overly vocal obnoxious hipster, at first Fez was gaining some attraction but then he had the balls to go up to a Japanese Indy Dev's face and tell him that his games sucked and that the entire Japanese games industry sucked, whilst praising Western-Made games, oh and the dev? Supposedly it was Studio Pixel, creator of Cave Story.
Eventually Fez was released on the XBL marketplace where it semi-bombed but suffered from a few glitches that erased people's saves, Microsoft asked for Ten-Thousand Dollars to send in a patch (that could have created more problems if not thoroughly checked) Fish decided not to pay for the patch and waited out his days until the Microsoft exclusivity would die out so he could get his bucks from Sony....all whilst bashing the Wii U and Nintendo in general.
Other devs like Team Meat expressed that Microsoft was bad for Indy developers because they gave Super Meat Boy minimal promotion and bad developer service to the extent that Notch was able to get his sale numbers from MS in a few days but Team Meat had to wait a few weeks, eventually Super Meat Boy sold extremely well on Steam and they stated that they'd release things on steam first just to avoid the whole exclusivity battle.
It's just hard to take his boasting about Japanese games seriously when the supposedly superior western system "failed" for him, whilst aggravating other developers; even Nicalis pre-mentioned that they would never deal with Fez and would rather release Spelunky and La-Mulana, all whilst maintaining Cave Story+, 3D and its other ports, still laughable that he thinks he has faith with Sony though, despite Sony being a Japanese developer that simply thrown away its cultural identity and wore a cowboy hat instead.
Oh, and also the fact that the whole perspective flipping is too similar to Super Paper Mario and the whole sprited thing is too similar to Cave Story...
Surprised nobody posted this
[t]http://i.imgur.com/YxeJNby.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=J!NX;41620834]ok
stop making shitty games, and stop making shitty posts and since thats probably too hard for him... first he should stop all together, grow up, and THEN get back onto track.
EA is bad enough with the gaming industry, and Phil Fish only makes it worse by acting as if he's all that.[/QUOTE]
you're a really bad poster
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621243]you're a really bad poster[/QUOTE]
Want to know a little secret?
So are you
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621243]you're a really bad poster[/QUOTE]
hell of a lot better than this post
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41619465]I think the VG industry is one of the unhealthiest industries in which to be told to 'improve' since:
a) a game has so many aspects that 'improvement' would never result in someone being completely happy
b) most of the vocal community and most of the critics of games are straight white males - the critical community (not the actual community mind) 'improvement' in that context is basically 'improve, but only in this one sense and no others'
c) improve is incredibly subjective in any endeavour that involves human creativity and interpretation.
[editline]28th July 2013[/editline]
it's obviously a joke
you can say facts but through such a lens as it makes them a joke, just like a comedian can take the piss out of something everyone believes but have them laugh at it anyway[/QUOTE]
Someone who posts daily makes 1 shitty post. Why should I be considered? Everyone does it, everyone is human. But the fact of the matter is, Phil makes an overwhelmingly large amount of shit posts.
I could sit here and talk about you're a shitty poster but you aren't, you're just being a normal human. Phil, however, is a shitty poster, because unlike either of us, he is overwhelmingly pretentious.
[QUOTE=J!NX;41621286]hell of a lot better than this post
[/QUOTE]
well demonstrably not since it's better punctuated, spelled, formatted, actually refutes a point and tries to actually create a debate in a thread that's depressingly one-sided
[editline]28th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;41621272]Want to know a little secret?
So are you[/QUOTE]
ok :)
I take my word back, you are a pretty terrible poster.
It's one sided because well if your wondering why people hate Phil... its kind of obvious
[QUOTE=J!NX;41621300]I take my word back, you are a pretty terrible poster.
It's one sided because well if your wondering why people hate Phil... its kind of obvious[/QUOTE]
If people thought outside the box for one second they'd realize that MAYBE he's not just a straight dick who just acts like dick for the sake of it. Because no-one is. Everyone has their reasons and their idiocyncracies. But no - you cluster all round the opinion that he's a reprehensible cunt because you heard off someone that he told no one in particular to suck his dick. Because of that he must've just been [b]INSANE WITH DICKISHNESS[/b] when telling some pondlife 'journo' to go screw himself, right? It's just lazy. There's more to everything than there is displayed at face value, and by thinking so lazily you're doing him, yourselves and the industry a disservice.
[QUOTE=oskramorir;41621209]Surprised nobody posted this
[t]http://i.imgur.com/YxeJNby.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
And yet Pixel didn't get the money he rightfully deserved.
He even made some Wario wares games and share them.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621358]If people thought outside the box for one second they'd realize that MAYBE he's not just a straight dick who just acts like dick for the sake of it. Because no-one is. Everyone has their reasons and their idiocyncracies. But no - you cluster all round the opinion that he's a reprehensible cunt because you heard off someone that he told no one in particular to suck his dick. Because of that he must've just been [b]INSANE WITH DICKISHNESS[/b] when telling some pondlife 'journo' to go screw himself, right? It's just lazy. There's more to everything than there is displayed at face value, and by thinking so lazily you're doing him, yourselves and the industry a disservice.[/QUOTE]
Of course he's not just a dick for the sake of being a dick, no one is completely one-dimensional. The thing is, that's not actually an excuse to be a dick. Things like "kill yourself phil" are definitely too much, but he doesn't just get a free pass to be a prick and expect no consequences because "he has his reasons." When you act with hostility you should expect to be met with hostility.
Also it wasn't just some offhand rumor that Phil Fish told no one in particular to choke on his dick, there is actual photographic evidence that he did in fact tell a specific person to choke on his dick for criticizing him.
[url=http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/27/fez-ii-cancelled]Apparently[/url] he's quitting the games industry altogether
Probably late
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;41621469]Of course he's not just a dick for the sake of being a dick, no one is completely one-dimensional. The thing is, that's not actually an excuse to be a dick. Things like "kill yourself phil" are definitely too much, but he doesn't just get a free pass to be a prick and expect no consequences because "he has his reasons." When you act with hostility you should expect to be met with hostility.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, he's certainly got a massive ego. I just don't like people saying 'OH GOOD RIDDANCE HE WAS NOTHING BUT SHITE GLAD HE'S GONE' while seemingly utterly ignoring the fact that they, and the unprofessionalism of the industry as a whole, in addition to his own unprofessionalism and ego, made him so bitter and frustrated he chose to leave altogether.
I do accept though that I shouldn't expect much more; people hate shades of grey and would much rather ally themselves with a simple extreme, even if that means losing sight of some important factors. After all I'm guilty of doing that all the time
[QUOTE==DarkStar=;41621369]And yet Pixel didn't get the money he rightfully deserved.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://store.steampowered.com/app/200900/[/url]
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621506]Oh yeah, he's certainly got a massive ego. I just don't like people saying 'OH GOOD RIDDANCE HE WAS NOTHING BUT SHITE GLAD HE'S GONE' while seemingly utterly ignoring the fact that they, and the unprofessionalism of the industry as a whole, in addition to his own unprofessionalism and ego, made him so bitter and frustrated he chose to leave altogether.
I do accept though that I shouldn't expect much more; people hate shades of grey and would much rather ally themselves with a simple extreme, even if that means losing sight of some important factors. After all I'm guilty of doing that all the time[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ you keep acting like this is some huge loss for the gaming industry and we somehow missed a chance at total revolution. This wasn't a case of some misunderstood messiah of gaming being swarmed upon by the savage masses because they weren't ready for his divine wisdom yet. It was a case in which an indie dev made a game that was neither amazing nor universally hated, decided it would be a good idea to act rude, obnoxious, and arrogant in the face of his success, said some mean stupid things and had some mean stupid things said back, couldn't take the heat and stamped his feet like a princess and ran off claiming he had the high ground and everyone else was at fault for the consequences of his own actions.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621358]If people thought outside the box for one second they'd realize that MAYBE he's not just a straight dick who just acts like dick for the sake of it. Because no-one is. Everyone has their reasons and their idiocyncracies. But no - you cluster all round the opinion that he's a reprehensible cunt because you heard off someone that he told no one in particular to suck his dick. Because of that he must've just been [b]INSANE WITH DICKISHNESS[/b] when telling some pondlife 'journo' to go screw himself, right? It's just lazy. There's more to everything than there is displayed at face value, and by thinking so lazily you're doing him, yourselves and the industry a disservice.[/QUOTE]
I really don't understand how me not liking this guy is a result of "Me not thinking out side of the box"
I'm not saying he should kill himself, or being a giant asshole about it. I simply genuinely believe that, unless he can grow up and get over the fact that some people won't like him, he shouldn't be making games. If he's just going to be an egomaniac about it, he really needs to realize that he can't please everyone, and stop bitching.
I understand a lot that he's angry that people aren't happy, I very much get that, but that doesn't excuse his shitty attitude and shitty ego at all.
When it comes to making games, if you can't understand that you can make a bad product, or a good product simply wont please everyone and people will be really mean about it, then you shouldn't even bother making them, if you're just going to be a child about people being displeased like he is. I know I'm right when I say this, because it's very much true. If you can't take a little bit of hate, then you need to first work on your self esteem and stop bitching about it. I don't even care how much you talk about "How I'm an idiot for saying that", because its not going to change facts.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621506]Oh yeah, he's certainly got a massive ego. I just don't like people saying 'OH GOOD RIDDANCE HE WAS NOTHING BUT SHITE GLAD HE'S GONE' while seemingly utterly ignoring the fact that they, and the unprofessionalism of the industry as a whole, in addition to his own unprofessionalism and ego, made him so bitter and frustrated he chose to leave altogether.
I do accept though that I shouldn't expect much more; people hate shades of grey and would much rather ally themselves with a simple extreme, even if that means losing sight of some important factors. After all I'm guilty of doing that all the time[/QUOTE]
The industry isn't going to be affected by him leaving, just stop it. Holy shit.
I know you already said "its a lose to the industry". No, it would be a loss if lets say, Valve, or Ubisoft, or Arkane Studios went under. Yes, these are not indie devs, but there will always be people like notch, and Phil is NO notch. The reason I say notch is, hate MC all you want, he was very successful with it and had a generally very positive attitude. Phil will be replaced very, very easily with someone that has a far more positive attitude.
[QUOTE=Psycho9182;41621547][url]http://store.steampowered.com/app/200900/[/url][/QUOTE]
You know Pixel didn't get a big part of the share? For the 3D version he didn't got a cent.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;41621572]Jesus christ you keep acting like this is some huge loss for the gaming industry and we somehow missed a chance at total revolution. This wasn't a case of some misunderstood messiah of gaming being swarmed upon by the savage masses because they weren't ready for his divine wisdom yet. It was a case in which an indie dev made a game that was neither amazing nor universally hated, decided it would be a good idea to act rude, obnoxious, and arrogant in the face of his small success, said some mean stupid things and had some mean stupid things said back, couldn't take the heat and stamped his feet like a princess and ran off claiming he had the high ground and everyone else was at fault for the consequences of his own actions.[/QUOTE]
I never said that we missed a chance for total revolution or anything like that - I supported his decision to get the hell out of dodge. I just emphasize with him on a personal level and honestly think we need more people who think like him in the industry. Not creatively, and perhaps with more tact, but I really do respect the way he called out bullshit like no-one else did.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621635]I never said that we missed a chance for total revolution or anything like that - I supported his decision to get the hell out of dodge. I just emphasize with him on a personal level and honestly think we need more people who think like him in the industry. Not creatively, and perhaps with more tact, but I really do respect the way he called out bullshit like no-one else did.[/QUOTE]
And what bullshit, specifically, would that be?
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;41621469]Of course he's not just a dick for the sake of being a dick, no one is completely one-dimensional. The thing is, that's not actually an excuse to be a dick. Things like "kill yourself phil" are definitely too much, but he doesn't just get a free pass to be a prick and expect no consequences because "he has his reasons." When you act with hostility you should expect to be met with hostility.[/QUOTE]
This is accurate. You can't act like a jackass then expect to be left alone. Yeah, the recent Twitter situation was absurd, but I doubt it would have happened if Phil Fish acted like an adult... ever.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41621635]I never said that we missed a chance for total revolution or anything like that - I supported his decision to get the hell out of dodge. I just emphasize with him on a personal level and honestly think we need more people who think like him in the industry. Not creatively, and perhaps with more tact,[B] but I really do respect the way he called out bullshit like no-one else did.[/B][/QUOTE]
lol you mean like a lot of people do?
he didn't "call out" anything. He acted like an asshole towards Japanese devs all while supporting Play Station, made by Sony ( A very Japanese company)
Sorry, but very few of you probably knows what it's like to deal with retards on the Internet saying shit about you all the time. And it's not like you can get away from it if you ever wanna, you know, use the Internet.
Here's a comment on this issue (not Phil Fish's, but of dealing with people as a content producer on the Internet) from Egoraptor: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/gamegrumps/comments/1c6mtx/you_should_be_grateful_and_respectful_about_what/c9e1c1f[/url]
Basically, if you have thin skin (which Phil obviously has) you aren't prepared to deal with the amount of people saying shit to you and it will get to you and there's not a whole lot you can do about it. It doesn't help that all of his comments get blown out of proportion and people troll him all the time because of how he reacts to it...
[QUOTE=J!NX;41621649]lol you mean like a lot of people do?
he didn't "call out" anything. He acted like an asshole towards Japanese devs all while supporting Play Station, made by Sony ( A very Japanese company)[/QUOTE]
This is the exact type of shit that gets blown out of proportion. His comments got taken out of context and if you were to read/listen to EVERYTHING he said WITHIN CONTEXT his comments about japanese games weren't even worthy of notice. Just some guy giving a pretty appropriate opinion on the subject.
So Beer Battered Fish?
Am I late?
[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;41621784]
Basically, if you have thin skin (which Phil obviously has) you aren't prepared to deal with the amount of people saying shit to you and it will get to you and there's not a whole lot you can do about it. It doesn't help that all of his comments get blown out of proportion and people troll him all the time because of how he reacts to it...
.[/QUOTE]
Well, it certainly doesn't help if you have a massive ego and constantly remind everyone but insulting them and telling them to choke on your dick. If you're going to act like a huge douche, people will act that way to you. Phil Fish isn't an exception because he made a game. He acts like he's superior to everyone and constantly acts rude to people, and when people are rude to him he loses his shit? That's just stupid.
[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;41621784]Sorry, but very few of you probably knows what it's like to deal with retards on the Internet saying shit about you all the time. And it's not like you can get away from it if you ever wanna, you know, use the Internet.
Here's a comment on this issue (not Phil Fish's, but of dealing with people as a content producer on the Internet) from Egoraptor: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/gamegrumps/comments/1c6mtx/you_should_be_grateful_and_respectful_about_what/c9e1c1f[/url]
Basically, if you have thin skin (which Phil obviously has) you aren't prepared to deal with the amount of people saying shit to you and it will get to you and there's not a whole lot you can do about it. It doesn't help that all of his comments get blown out of proportion and people troll him all the time because of his response...[/QUOTE]
Phil Fish started the shitstorm. He promoted his game when it was in a very early stage of development, people picked up on it and started showing appreciation or his work, which Fish appreciated. When he started to delay the game by several years combined people started to feel upset because that game they were expecting wasn't coming out. This is the point Phil Fish started to lose his shit and consider everyone on the internet a snarky asshole because people were being genuinely surprised a 2D basic platformer would take someone 5 years to develop. The closest the game came to being released and the more toxic Phil Fish became, starting to make shitty comments about his own fanbase (which was still expecting the game at this point) without ever explaining the delays or even showing the slightest concern about it. When the games were finally out, he just went full retard and started insulting everyone, knowing that the most hardcore indie fanbase would still support him regardless. He got several awards for his game and some website claimed it was a work of art because they either couldn't see a game 5 years in the making as being potentially bad, or they didn't want a community uproar, which made Phil Fish an even bigger asshole as he decided to side with the hilariously delusional reviews about the failure of a game that was Fez, ignore all the bad reviews and opinions on his game and dig himself a big nice hole of delusion and self-admiration.
None of what happened is "the internet's" fault, in fact none of what happened is anyone but Phil Fish's fault. He brought it all upon himself, he decided to develop this game, he decided to promote it really early in its development and he knew what pressure usually comes with making games : if he didn't, then he's an even more delusional idiot than people think, because it takes about 5 seconds of browsing on any message board or just any video game website to see that games create a lot of hype and always have high expectations when the developer are putting it as the best thing ever. Having Fish be part of the indie game movie didn't help him much.
Phil Fish handled the thing poorly and grew really full of himself way early into development, the instant people started showing hype for his game. A game such as Fez should not have taken 5 years to develop and before launching himself into a full blown title, Fish (who if I recall correctly, said in the indie game movie he was completely oblivious to coding and designing video games before he started working on fez) should have started out with basic flash games released for free on newgrounds, like everyone else. Super Meatboy wasn't a direct hit straight out of nowhere, there had been a prototype for the game released for free to get public feedback, along with several other prototypes and various basic flash games made by the same guys to get better before actually asking people to spend money on a full blown title.
Long story short, Phil Fish knew what was ahead and handled it really poorly because he's an idiot.
The only reason he deserves any sympathy is that he probably has some sort of mental disorder.
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