• Phil Fish blows a gasket, tells media member to "kill himself" - FEZ 2 CANCELED, owned?
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[QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622645]That's because professional critics review the [i]game[/i], and not the person who made it.[/QUOTE] acting like professional critics don't have bias is wrong
[QUOTE=iWhatIsLove;41622614][img]http://broduck.ta0soft.com/misc/U4p3M5.png[/img] i see.[/QUOTE] Metacritic user scores are known for being rather prone to being bandwagoned and bombarded with low scores for the sake of giving a low average score. Usually not a very accurate representation of how a game is actually perceived. If Fez was that poorly received, it would not continue to sell so well post-launch. Plenty of people have enjoyed it and some people weren't fond of it. The people who have bad things to say are generally more loud and more likely to go out of their way to give a bad rating.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;41622668]Metacritic user scores are known for being rather prone to being bandwagoned and bombarded with low scores for the sake of giving a low average score. Usually not a very accurate representation of how a game is actually perceived. If Fez was that poorly received, it would not continue to sell so well post-launch. Plenty of people have enjoyed it and some people weren't fond of it. The people who have bad things to say are generally more loud and more likely to go out of their way to give a bad rating.[/QUOTE] This bugs me. Why can none of you defending the game recognize that people can have legitimate criticisms about it. Oh, because you're busy acting like there's no wiggle room on these things and that there's no reason anyone can trash talk it because if they do, it's about Fish, not Fez.
[QUOTE=iWhatIsLove;41622650]but isn't 6.3 a rather meh score?[/QUOTE] That's the user score. People who know what they're talking about and don't let personalities get in the way gave it good scores. This 6.3 is just people getting angsty about the incredibly stupid things Fish has said, and not actually reviewing the game objectively.
[QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622683]That's the user score. People who know what they're talking about and don't let personalities get in the way gave it good scores. This 6.3 is just people getting angsty about the incredibly stupid things Fish has said, and not actually reviewing the game objectively.[/QUOTE] yes, there are no legitimate criticisms of the game what so ever. yep, that's what every "profesional" says. There's not a negative professional review of this game at all! god damn. stop wanking off and realize that there's some discussion that that metacritic page clearly isn't solving here by just slapping it down saying "nah look it's awesome pros say so"
[QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622683]That's the user score. People who know what they're talking about and don't let personalities get in the way gave it good scores. This 6.3 is just people getting angsty about the incredibly stupid things Fish has said, and not actually reviewing the game objectively.[/QUOTE] oh sorry, i misunderstood your other post. this post sums up what i wanted to say [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41622679]This bugs me. Why can none of you defending the game recognize that people can have legitimate criticisms about it. Oh, because you're busy acting like there's no wiggle room on these things and that there's no reason anyone can trash talk it because if they do, it's about Fish, not Fez.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41622700]yes, there are no legitimate criticisms of the game what so ever. yep, that's what every "profesional" says. There's not a negative professional review of this game at all! god damn. stop wanking off and realize that there's some discussion that that metacritic page clearly isn't solving here by just slapping it down saying "nah look it's awesome pros say so"[/QUOTE] Yeah, I understand there are some flaws. Personally, I enjoyed the design. And the music was perfect. I understand it's not a game for everyone, some people want more 'game', with enemies and boss battles. But this score is an average of a collective of journalists, so the response is generally positive. Some people gave it 100 (unwarranted I think), others gave it less. That's what an average is.
[QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622745]Yeah, I understand there are some flaws. Personally, I enjoyed the design. And the music was perfect. I understand it's not a game for everyone, some people want more 'game', with enemies and boss battles. But this score is an average of a collective of journalists, so the response is generally positive. Some people gave it 100 (unwarranted I think), others gave it less. That's what an average is.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622683]That's the user score. People who know what they're talking about and don't let personalities get in the way gave it good scores. This 6.3 is just people getting angsty about the incredibly stupid things Fish has said, and not actually reviewing the game objectively.[/QUOTE] See, but here, you said anyone who knows what they're talking about gave it good scores, acting as if the valid criticisms that exist(short, puzzle based game without highly challenging puzzles, no punishment, innovation felt gimmicky? maybe not the right term for it though.) can't be had in serious ways and that the average defies these is weird to me. I see Fez and I can understand it's appeal, but I don't understand how it's THAT great that it really blows a lot of really great indie games out of the water. One can't help but think that some of this is from the popularity of Fish thanks to his outbursts rather than the game itself when I personally can't find the extreme appeal to it.
Well no if the criticisms couldn't be had in serious ways then I'd be arguing it should get a straight 100. But yeah I worded it wrong, sorry. The reason some people don't get Fez is that there's this whole deeper level of puzzles and cryptography which can't be seen in trailers or 10 minute gameplay demos. When the game came out on XBLA the whole community joined together to work out the riddles and secrets. It was an awesome thing to see and it was exciting trying to work out the underlying stuff Fish put in the game. The PC release lost some of this, as there are guides telling you how to do everything now, but hey. I had fun with both versions. I need to go do stuff so I guess we'll agree to disagree :v:
[QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622820]Well no if the criticisms couldn't be had in serious ways then I'd be arguing it should get a straight 100. But yeah I worded it wrong, sorry. The reason some people don't get Fez is that there's this whole deeper level of puzzles and cryptography which can't be seen in trailers or 10 minute gameplay demos. When the game came out on XBLA the whole community joined together to work out the riddles and secrets. It was an awesome thing to see and it was exciting trying to work out the underlying stuff Fish put in the game. The PC release lost some of this, as there are guides telling you how to do everything now, but hey. I had fun with both versions. I need to go do stuff so I guess we'll agree to disagree :v:[/QUOTE] That score then seems awfully justified by a shared group experience, rather than by the game itself. hmm.
Ive never seen a worse case of first world problems.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;41622998]Ive never seen a worse case of first world problems.[/QUOTE] I hate that term and anyone who uses it seriously.
I'm amazed there are people who will defend Phil and even commend him for the way he acts
Phil overreacted, but to be honest the other guy was a dickhead too when all Phil/Jon did was get a little frustrated about being asked to comment on a rumor rather than confirmed facts. IMO That didn't warrant "Fucking hipsters", but that comment also didn't warrant "kill yourself". They're both in the wrong so I won't debate the lesser of two evils. Also, these "WOO NO FEZ 2!!" comments are pretty dumb. You might not want it but others do, even then how does a game coming out change your life at all when you could just not buy it?
Oh god thanks. I hope he gets run over by a train. Yeah yeah "stepping on his level" and so on fuck that.
[QUOTE=FunkyDarkKnight;41623475]Phil overreacted, but to be honest the other guy was a dickhead too when all Phil/Jon did was get a little frustrated about being asked to comment on a rumor rather than confirmed facts. IMO That didn't warrant "Fucking hipsters", but that comment also didn't warrant "kill yourself". They're both in the wrong so I won't debate the lesser of two evils. Also, these "WOO NO FEZ 2!!" comments are pretty dumb. You might not want it but others do, even then how does a game coming out change your life at all when you could just not buy it?[/QUOTE] No one can in their right mind blame Marcus for even a single percentile point of the Fez 2 canellation. That's all on that unstable baboon. WOO NO FEZ 2!!
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41623594]No one can in their right mind blame Marcus for even a single percentile point of the Fez 2 canellation.[/QUOTE] Yes, Phil is quite unstable, but I would pin a small percentage of the cancellation on Marcus considering he began the comments that caused Phil to overreact. I will agree that he doesn't account for much of the reason at all though as [URL="http://i.imgur.com/p0oMe4G.png"]Phil even said himself[/URL]. [QUOTE=Bomimo;41623594]WOO NO FEZ 2!![/QUOTE] Nice joke.
When I read about 6,3 metacritic score, and then Zillamatic being dumbed for this post: [quote]That's the user score. People who know what they're talking about and don't let personalities get in the way gave it good scores.[/quote] I go there and see first 0 score review. [quote]How do games like this get such a high rating?[b]Just another rip off of minecraft[/b], which is a horrible game anyway. These indie games need a separate category to their own. [/quote] So... yeah.
I'm glad we won't be seeing another Fez. [editline]28th July 2013[/editline] The fact that he stylized it as "Fez II" made it even more pretentious..
[QUOTE=FunkyDarkKnight;41623681] Nice joke.[/QUOTE] It's not really a joke... well it is. But there's only room for so much hype in the industry per season and Fez is a fucking waste of someone elses limelight. So seeing as Fez can't help but get hyped for no reason, i think everyone is better off with someone else taking that space.
can someone explain to me why phil fish is so universally hated? I never heard of him until after he was everyone's least favorite human so I have no idea what he did.
[QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622645]That's because professional critics review the [i]game[/i], and not the person who made it.[/QUOTE] Too bad the gaming press has no journalistic integrity, is a joke compared to real journalism and review the wad of money that the publisher shot down their throat rather than the game.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;41624850]can someone explain to me why phil fish is so universally hated? I never heard of him until after he was everyone's least favorite human so I have no idea what he did.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/3NNXT.png[/img] That's only the tip of the iceberg. In short: Phil is clearly mentally unstable.
He'll turn this to his advantage. Just you wait. Probably something like: "DUE TO MASSIVE PUBLIC DEMAND, I WILL START TO WORK ON FEZ 2 AGAIN, JUST FOR MY FANS LEWL XOXO"
Phil Fish might have the dumbest haircut on earth
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;41622668]Metacritic user scores are known for being rather prone to being bandwagoned and bombarded with low scores for the sake of giving a low average score. Usually not a very accurate representation of how a game is actually perceived. If Fez was that poorly received, it would not continue to sell so well post-launch. Plenty of people have enjoyed it and some people weren't fond of it. The people who have bad things to say are generally more loud and more likely to go out of their way to give a bad rating.[/QUOTE] It's funny because you screencapped the scores, but not the reviews themselves. The positive "pro" reviews are literally all just "this game is a masterpiece goty all year every year oh my god I creamed my pants so indie", and the only slightly negative review mentions some of the shitty aspects of the game. None of them mention the XBLA save corrupt glitch, and none of them mention that the game has no goal, no enemies, is repetitive as fuck, uses an already explored concept and not a brand new innovative artsy gameplay mechanic like they want to believe, and is essentially entirely based around how much the player can try to find a goal to what he's doing before realizing that there is no goal, no incentive to keep playing and no penalty for fucking up whatsoever. The user reviews are pretty much exactly the same, with the addition of being all 10/10 to pump up the user score, because people are babies. The few legitimate reviews have good points and make more sense than the usual "Phil Fish is a god Fez is love Fez is life so pretty 8 bit graphics so indie oh my god it's retro so you can't hate it". People actually believe that the retro "8bit" (it's not 8bit, at all) style of the game is somewhat unique, while there has been a plethora of other games in the exact same style released, usually for free on NG because it's a lazy art style used by people who want to release games fast and efficiently. Don't use metacritic as an argumernt, it's not viable at all. It makes as much sense as saying that Sim City 5 is goty because it sold well.
Phil Fish tells people to kill themselves: Huge tool asshole. Kopimi tells people to kill themselves: Revolutionary snappy master of wits.
[QUOTE=acds;41624937]Too bad the gaming press has no journalistic integrity, is a joke compared to real journalism and review the wad of money that the publisher shot down their throat rather than the game.[/QUOTE] There is no money involved in reviewing Indie games though, obviously. The thing is, most big game journalists use it as a joker card to essentially send the message "hey, we don't hate indie games and we don't only promote call of duty ! look, we gave this one 10/10 !", ignoring all flaws in the game in the process or forgiving them because "it's an indie game made by one guy, we can't be angry at him for that".
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;41624943][img]http://puu.sh/3NNXT.png[/img] That's only the tip of the iceberg. In short: Phil is clearly mentally unstable.[/QUOTE] well that was extremely helpful, thank you.
[QUOTE=Zillamatic;41622820]Well no if the criticisms couldn't be had in serious ways then I'd be arguing it should get a straight 100. But yeah I worded it wrong, sorry. The reason some people don't get Fez is that there's this whole deeper level of puzzles and cryptography which can't be seen in trailers or 10 minute gameplay demos. When the game came out on XBLA the whole community joined together to work out the riddles and secrets. It was an awesome thing to see and it was exciting trying to work out the underlying stuff Fish put in the game. The PC release lost some of this, as there are guides telling you how to do everything now, but hey. I had fun with both versions. I need to go do stuff so I guess we'll agree to disagree :v:[/QUOTE] The thing is having hidden stuff like this in your game does not justify having an ill designed and empty core to begin with. Braid was an amazing puzzle game to begin with that introduced new concepts constantly through the game, and also had the hidden stars to obtain which were entirely optional. Decyphering the story was another side thing to do. But the game itself was fun and interesting.
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