• Phil Fish blows a gasket, tells media member to "kill himself" - FEZ 2 CANCELED, owned?
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[QUOTE=darkzero226;41633371]there's a neogaf post from 2007 where he says he's bipolar [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6130441#post6130441[/url] along with some other things [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73247916&postcount=287[/url][/QUOTE] this... kinda proves me right. i'd like a written apology from everyone who rated me dumb please [editline]29th July 2013[/editline] but in all seriousness this sheds a lot of light on the way he acts - I hope he gets help
[QUOTE=darkzero226;41633371]there's a neogaf post from 2007 where he says he's bipolar [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6130441#post6130441[/url] along with some other things [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73247916&postcount=287[/url][/QUOTE] So he's having a creator breakdown like Spoony. I hope he gets help.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41633068]I don't think Phil Fish has an actual mental illness of sorts. I think he just has terrible anger management issues. [editline]29th July 2013[/editline] Like the incredible hulk only less incredible, less green and more canadian. Also cries instead of getting stronger.[/QUOTE] I'd say it's pure narcisism. People tend to claim all sorts of disorders and shit, because it makes it 'okay' to behave like a jackass. Afterall, it's not his fault, it's because of the disorder. Fuck that.
for all you armchair psychologists debating whether he has a legitimate issue or not are in no position to accurately diagnose him it doesn't even matter anyway because spoilers: you can talk to a therapist without being a complete psychopath
[QUOTE=DeEz;41633609]for all you armchair psychologists debating whether he has a legitimate issue or not are in no position to accurately diagnose him it doesn't even matter anyway because spoilers: you can talk to a therapist without being a complete psychopath[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing. I'm stating. The guy is a jackass. Period.
[QUOTE=DeEz;41633609]for all you armchair psychologists debating whether he has a legitimate issue or not are in no position to accurately diagnose him it doesn't even matter anyway because spoilers: you can talk to a therapist without being a complete psychopath[/QUOTE] Well thanks for that load of nothing. I didn't see anyone here breaking out the prescription pads, just taking a break from being armchair political analysts, scientists, lawyers, and game designers and whatever else armchair credentials having a harmless discussion gets you. I don't even know what you're trying to say with that second sentence, I don't think anyone even mentioned that he had been to a therapist.
Ha! See guys? [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4801646/Images/garryfish.PNG[/IMG] Even Garry said so.
[QUOTE=pedrus24;41634651]Ha! See guys? [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4801646/Images/garryfish.PNG[/IMG] Even Garry said so.[/QUOTE] Some people can't handle the pressure. Regardless of whether he had a mental disorder or not, he definitely couldn't handle the pressure
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[QUOTE=pedrus24;41634651]Ha! See guys? [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4801646/Images/garryfish.PNG[/IMG] Even Garry said so.[/QUOTE] That facepalm sums up the whole situation perfectly.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41634798]Some people can't handle the pressure. Regardless of whether he had a mental disorder or not, he definitely couldn't handle the pressure[/QUOTE] If he is not able to handle the pressure why did he chose to be in the Indie movie, he always tried to be the center of everything and making him stand out. Someone that clearly can't handle such situations would not start acting like him. It makes no sense.
[QUOTE=DeEz;41633609]for all you armchair psychologists debating whether he has a legitimate issue or not are in no position to accurately diagnose him it doesn't even matter anyway because spoilers: you can talk to a therapist without being a complete psychopath[/QUOTE] He claims to be Bipolar in a 2007 NeoGAF post.
[QUOTE=pedrus24;41634651]Ha! See guys? [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4801646/Images/garryfish.PNG[/IMG] Even Garry said so.[/QUOTE] sure is the pot calling the kettle black there innit
If I make it in the games industry I'll be telling people to kill themselves everyday
Holy shit, that GDC video where Blow and Fish bash japanese games when their own creations would literally not exist without them made me so upset. Jon Blow and Phil Fish needed to shut their fucking mouths. Not only were they being extremely intentionally hurtful, but they're dead wrong. Out of Blow's pretentious mouth comes "Japanese games have too much handholding and they're too simple blah blah blah" and Fish agrees with him. NEWS FLASH: your games are, respectively, a mario clone with a time travel gimmick, and a platformer with no penalty for dying and no enemies or combat. They have no room whatsoever to criticize Japan for making games too simple.
What I don't get is why indie developers think they can be so terribly unprofessional in a business just because there isn't someone above them telling them what to do and get away with it. You don't have to wear a suit and tie but ffs you are responsible for keeping good relations with your customers.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41632120]just watched this video [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk[/media] he's a straight dick - he's a straight dick with some good points (and let me stress I do agree with his point here) which make him automatically better than say reddit but man oh man what a lack of tact [editline]29th July 2013[/editline] The pink guy's almost on the money tbh[/QUOTE] "Some good points" he said "Update your tech" about japan "UPDATE YOUR TECH". Japan in electronics VERY MUCH shits on America. They are far better at it, and he just said "Update your tech". and hey, sure, hand holding is retarded, but so is Phil really monk there are no good points
TB decided to join the fray and say something about this mess. Not really giving any statement, but he's saying something. [video=youtube;qyYQnsaJiUI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyYQnsaJiUI[/video]
[QUOTE=uber.;41637481]TB decided to join the fray and say something about this mess. Not really giving any statement, but he's saying something. [video=youtube;qyYQnsaJiUI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyYQnsaJiUI[/video][/QUOTE] That's a good point made there. Markus Beer is basically in character saying what he wants to say but in a more aggressive manner when he's doing any Annoyed Gamer segment. Basically the same as when newspapers have a go at Jeremy Clarkson making a comment when he's doing the exactly the same thing.
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[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41637817][url]http://bringbackphilfish.com/list-of-phil-fish-supporters/[/url][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MoOMPZd.png[/IMG] Wow it goes on a lot
I honestly feel bad for the guy. With as much pressure as he gets its crazy. But watching this happen LOL was kinda funny from my point of view plus garry tweeted him saying somethin' i forgot what it was though.
I think the problem with Fish is that he's just too stuck up, just because he interdependently released [I]one[/I] game doesn't mean he has the authority to be extremely demanding to his audience and negatively vocal against other developers and publishers/companies. Seriously, he might be large enough to be considered a creator of some kind, but he's a single person whose letting his own opinions about whatever give him a negative image, it's just not proper business to go around hitting beehives whilst being a dick about it. Him saying "Japanese games sucks" has some basis to it, but not literally. Like Japanese games was a staple in the 80's just because Nintendo was one of the big players that standardized genres and solidized their characters which helped support the industry until the 2000's, but eventually Japanese games started to get stagnant in creative ideas (arguably, it's already happened to Mega Man and Final Fantasy) and as a result Video Games started to become a large cash plum for the entire world; lesser known companies and franchises was eventually weeded out to make way for more robust developers Ubisoft and possibly EA despite themselves being reliant on their existing franchises rather than take risks. (Not counting Rayman Origins/Legends, that's a good step forwards) The Digital Age helped provide a lot more variance from people and developers who desired to create and fill the consoles' libraries with innovative games or games that felt reminiscent of older days, even now Microsoft (and presumably other companies) are making it easier for indy developers to get there. With that said, if you're an Indy developer and actually release games, and speak as a person but not as a whole company, then everyone would generally expect them to actually know about games, it would be like if someone made an extremely detailed and expansive game then turned around to say something along the lines of "Mario should do a Sega and go to Microsoft and Sony!". EDIT: Surprised no one asked/said this, but did Phil Fish even MENTION about thinking/making a Fez II before he got mardy?
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41634798]Some people can't handle the pressure. Regardless of whether he had a mental disorder or not, he definitely couldn't handle the pressure[/QUOTE] Real life pressure and Internet pressure is two different things.
One of the cardinal rules when working in a competitive creative industry like that is to learn to accept criticism--whether it be constructive or not. It seems like he just had too big of a head and couldn't accept that there are still assholes out there who will be assholes regardless of who you are and what you've accomplished. I don't see why it's so hard to simply ignore people; I mean, I could understand if someone in your personal life was constantly harassing you, but it's the internet--just unplug yourself and move on.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;41637313]What I don't get is why indie developers think they can be so terribly unprofessional in a business just because there isn't someone above them telling them what to do and get away with it. You don't have to wear a suit and tie but ffs you are responsible for keeping good relations with your customers.[/QUOTE] This. This is precisely the attitude that is plaguing many indie-types unfortunately. A lot of the artist people I know work as freelancers and one of the biggest things you must have is some god damn self-discipline. You have deadlines you need to meet, you have to maintain professionalism, carefully plan out your time, and you need to know how to communicate with your clients... period. Incapable of doing that? Get or hire someone else to help you out to do all that. This isn't rocket science. I personally love the indie gaming scene and even have some friends who are working on projects which I have supported, but what I can't stand is this idea that being indie gives you a free ride to be a manchild. This is why I am angry that people are crying about Phil and how "we lost a great mind" (Which I have been seeing lots). Is this some kind of joke? Phil has practically reinforced the "Indie asshole" dev stereotype something fierce. "But he's so PASSIONATE/he's so talented!" so what? want a medal? Being talented,passionate,dedicated does not automatically earn you respect and/or excuse such behavior or criticism. It disgusts me that people are using the "critics are HATERS" defense, while not seeing the irony in that Phil has made so many hateful comments. Victim complex much? Reminds me of this guy I used to know in highschool... He worked as director and stage designer for live theater and was one of the most talented people I knew. He had a bright future ahead of him, but he was the most insufferable person to work with. The guy disrespected pretty much everyone involved in productions, had this high-and-mighty self-important attitude, blamed all his problems on his drama teacher and even did a facebook smear campaign of him (I wish I could make this shit up), bitched and moaned about how hard done by he was, threw temper tantrums as an adult, and quite possibly burned every bridge imaginable. Even the calmest people I knew said things like "that fuckface will never ever admit that he is responsible for his own actions". The worst part is that he never learned to take criticism and always seeked out ass kissers to tell him what he wanted to hear and stroke his ego. It is my personal belief that the indie scene will be better off without him as he was so incredibly toxic to it. I hope that he uses this time out to either seek help, drop twitter, learn from his mistakes, and possibly redeem himself by coming back in a few years with a finished product and hopefully a PR person that handles stuff for him.
[QUOTE=Mechwarrior;41637977]I honestly feel bad for the guy. With as much pressure as he gets its crazy. But watching this happen LOL was kinda funny from my point of view plus garry tweeted him saying somethin' i forgot what it was though.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't feel bad for him, he brought all the hate on himself by being a raging asshole with no self control.
Am I the only one here who was excited for FEZ 2? Everyone here seems to be happy it was canceled.
Meanwhile, on /v/. [video=youtube;kwvx4U7QZAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwvx4U7QZAE[/video]
I think he might find the internet like a lot of people who really aren't familiar with it; I think he doesn't understand that people will say what they want because they can say it (mostly) without repercussion. Maybe Phil is an asshole, and maybe Beer is too. Personally I think Beer's comment was kinda uncalled for, but then again he couldn't have known Phil was going to react this way. Essentially, Beer's an ass for making the comment in the first place and attacking him, Phil's an idiot for taking a single comment and blowing it out of proportion, probably just to net himself more attention. Seriously though. FEZ was a neat game, and I thought it was pretty cool when I had seen it. It's a shame when a game with good potential gets cancelled because it's project director just feels like throwing a fit over comments that other people make. You probably shouldn't be on the internet - or better yet, in the media at all - if you can't handle that.
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