New poll shows Hillary's lead shrinking versus Donald Trump
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[QUOTE=DaMastez;50358108]That's just not how things work; we don't live in a magical world where every person--or anywhere close--gets to vote for a candidate they completely agree with.[/QUOTE]
that's why i said implicitly
given that he has called for a ban on muslims travelling to america and a giant wall to be built (two very obvious and big things he is known for), the people voting for him will be doing so in full knowledge that he will be attempting both
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50357772]
You're voting for a candidate that literally wants to ban Muslims from entering America. Would you vote for a candidate that wants to ban homosexuals or Jews from entering the USA? It's pretty much the same in how disgusting a head of state can be.
Imagine if he did actually ban Muslims, can you just imagine how much trouble that would cause[/QUOTE]
Like Muslims are anything like Jews and homosexuals. I dunno what kind of rock you have been sleeping under, but there are enough Muslim countries that outright ban homosexuals and Jews, and sentence people to death for being homosexuals in said country. That's not even starting how Muslims around the world have discriminated against other minorities in the last few centuries. You really think that they respect minorities in their countries? That comparison you are making is very, very poor. Trump is right in having a temporary ban on the most radical Muslim countries from entering the United States. It isn't like other American presidents did the same, like Carter during the Iranian hostage crisis. For example, Saudi Arabia has been importing their radicals to European countries for decades, and look where that got Europe in the past year. I can totally see why Trump doesn't want the same in America.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50358127]that's why i said implicitly
given that he has called for a ban on muslims travelling to america and a giant wall to be built (two very obvious and big things he is known for), the people voting for him will be doing so in full knowledge that he will be attempting both[/QUOTE]
Implicitly, defined by Google as either "in a way that is not directly expressed" or "without qualification". Thus, your statement can generally be rewritten as:
"By voting for them, it is implied they agree with all of his policies and decisions he has stressed so far."
or
"By voting for them, they unconditionally agree with all of his policies and decisions he has stressed so far."
Neither comes close to "By voting for them, they know he probably will attempt to enact with all of his policies and decisions he has stressed so far.", which is what "the people voting for him will be doing so in full knowledge that he will be attempting both" appears to be stating.
Knowing Trump (or any candidate) will attempt to enact various policies and then casting a vote for them does not equate to implicitly agreeing with all of the policies.
[QUOTE=Jordax;50358205]Like Muslims are anything like Jews and homosexuals.[/quote]
Well yeah, they're comparable in that Jews and homosexuals are often the subject of prejudice and bigotry. Banning Muslims from entering America isn't different at all to banning Christians from entering Saudi Arabia. It's a blanket ban on somebody whose religion is the "wrong" one.
[quote]Trump is right in having a temporary ban on the most radical Muslim countries from entering the United States.[/QUOTE]
except he said to ban /all/ Muslims
this includes people in Europe who are Muslims. it includes the fucking mayor of London.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;50358235]Knowing Trump (or any candidate) will attempt to enact various policies and then casting a vote for them does not equate to implicitly agreeing with all of the policies.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that by voting for a politician, it's taken as you saying "yes I want this" to their manifesto and their platform. It gives them the legitimacy to enact any and all of the things they have previously stated. To give an example it's why in Britain that when a party wins the election, the House of Lords (traditionally) won't block anything on the manifesto because the public essentially voted for them.
If everybody votes for Trump and then they are surprised by when he bans Muslims from entering, then what the hell did you expect?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50358306]
I'm pretty sure that by voting for a politician, it's taken as you saying "yes I want this" to their manifesto and their platform. It gives them the legitimacy to enact any and all of the things they have previously stated.[/QUOTE]
No, it should be taken as saying "this is the person I agree with the most", or maybe "this is the person who I agree with on the issues I find most important", not "I completely agree with this person", because who actually agrees with every part of a politician's platform?
You're basically equating voting for someone as a full endorsement for that person, rather than something done with a sigh because it's a choice of who is the lesser evil, rather than having the option of picking a person who you even mostly agree with.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;50359453]No, it should be taken as saying "this is the person I agree with the most", or maybe "this is the person who I agree with on the issues I find most important", not "I completely agree with this person", because who actually agrees with every part of a politician's platform?
You're basically equating voting for someone as a full endorsement for that person, rather than something done with a sigh because it's a choice of who is the lesser evil, rather than having the option of picking a person who you even mostly agree with.[/QUOTE]
While you don't agree with all of their platform, by voting for the politician you are basically saying that you give legitimacy to their presidency.
If Trump is elected into power and then decides to build the wall, he can very easily turn around and say "this is what the voters wanted" when people protest his move. by virtue of the fact he won an election he has the legitimacy to enact the policies he proclaimed during his campaign
[QUOTE=cody8295;50357520]Lmao continue to misunderstand, doesnt matter to me.
Trump wont be able to do as much damage as clinton will[/QUOTE]
Sure he will.
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