• BBC: Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?
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Of course they think it was fucking illegal, that's why we had a god damn war. I don't think there would have been a war if they said "Oh okay you have a point and this is legal and fine, go ahead be independent."
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32861784]They're just mad because they lost all their land.[/QUOTE] It's a pretty shitty thing they did when you think about it.
I'd hate to know how much we'd owe for taxes after 230 years.
[QUOTE=Zareox7;32863074]I'd hate to know how much we'd owe for taxes after 230 years.[/QUOTE]You should instead go to war and say fuck you to them.
I also don't think we ever cared whether we had any legal rights to declare independence, but we surely thought it was justified.
[QUOTE=Zareox7;32863074]I'd hate to know how much we'd owe for taxes after 230 years.[/QUOTE]We'd have to default on our loans, and our taxes. So we'd be England, AND China's bitch.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;32863009]Of course they think it was fucking illegal, that's why we had a god damn war. I don't think there would have been a war if they said "Oh okay you have a point and this is legal and fine, go ahead be independent."[/QUOTE] Uhm. If no nation agrees it's theirs, it's free to take pretty much. Send an army, wipe them out and make a piece of paper that says it's yours, and ask your buddies to back your claim. Only problem then was British got cocky and forgot them ladders/thought massed attacks always work out.
[QUOTE=Nevermind me;32861894]Honestly, if I remember history class right the colonies weren't taxed nearly as heavily as the mother country so I don't know why we even bothered, it's not like we the people have more say about how taxes are levied with our own government in charge.[/QUOTE] Oh, they weren't. They knew that they couldn't do much if the colonists in the new world got pissed enough.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32861784]They're just mad because they lost all their land.[/QUOTE] Then they tried to fight us again two decades later and we kicked their teeth in. [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] It's not like they burned down the White House or anything.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32863170]Then they tried to fight us again two decades later and we kicked their teeth in.[/QUOTE] We got lucky, just like during the Revolutionary War. Motherfucking tornadoes up in this bitch!
Don't worry, chaps. The thundering charge of the Scots Greys will have the colonials in flight and it'll all be over by Christmas.
[QUOTE=erazor;32863208]Don't worry, chaps. The thundering charge of the Scots Greys will have the colonials in flight and it'll all be over by Christmas.[/QUOTE] Christmas you say? [img]http://www.davidhanauer.com/buckscounty/washingtoncrossing/photos/washington_leutze.jpg[/img]
Someone give BBC some Late ratings, seriously.
Hey, guys, you are talking about war and stuff, I'm Poland, I want to be conquered Germany ain't the same anymore :'(
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32863170]Then they tried to fight us again two decades later and we kicked their teeth in. [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] It's not like they burned down the White House or anything.[/QUOTE] We didn't kick their teeth in, and they didn't kick ours in. Had the Russians not gotten involved it probably would have gone on a lot longer. The only way that one could say that America 'won' was that we didn't lose any land, and the British stopped impressing our soldiers. (Impress, not as in "oh wow!" but as in they took our citizens and made them work aboard their ships.)
[QUOTE=taipan;32862015]Do we also get the debt if we invade? Maybe nice way to get around that, let the USA get invaded, no more debt because there is no more USA!! :v: We will call it USA......2[/QUOTE] The United Provinces of America.
We weren't even legally represented in Parliament the first place, not to mention that this wasn't an internal issue since we were a colony.
[QUOTE=SilentOpp;32862207]South Canada?[/QUOTE] Or North Mexico?
[QUOTE=Nevermind me;32862220]I believe my state is already a commonwealth, actually I have no clue what the hell that implies. Welp, to google I guess. :v:[/QUOTE] Commonwealth and State are pretty much synonymous, there's only minor differences.
[QUOTE=rosar0980;32862069]Wow. Politicians looking for more shit to argue over. It happened, and there would be [I][B][U]BIG TIME[/U][/B][/I] hell-to-pay for GB if they decided that America is theirs again.[/QUOTE] You do understand that this was more done for a popular viewing show than Britain trying to reafirm domain over the US. To be honest while the legality of the grounds on which the original document was penned can be questioned, the US has more or less established soverignity on the grounds of being able to secure it's sovereignity and being pronounced a sovereign by a number of other important nations of the day. [QUOTE=taipan;32862015]Do we also get the debt if we invade? Maybe nice way to get around that, let the USA get invaded, no more debt because there is no more USA!! :v: We will call it USA......2[/QUOTE] Not if you do it like the the third reich did to a number of occupied territories. The territories lost sovereignty in all areas but those of their debts.
Who gives a shit that was over 200 years ago, what will happen if they decide it's illegal? Nothing.
Guy in comments gets it right - "The whole idea makes me laugh, especially in light of decades and centuries of British Empire and the brutality it wrought, which still negatively impacts millions to this day. Of course, the same can be said for the American Empire that followed."
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;32861739]Of course it wasn't legal, nor did it have any legal backing. It was an entirely symbolic gesture, any [US] history class would tell you this.[/QUOTE]
We're gonna get you america
It's cool, we might go easy on you. Maybe. We'll see.
It's okay, WE NEEDED SOMEWHERE TO PUT ALL THE FAT PEOPLE come kick my teeth in, jokes on you BECAUSE THEY'RE FALLING OUT ALREADY
[QUOTE=Nevermind me;32861894]Honestly, if I remember history class right the colonies weren't taxed nearly as heavily as the mother country so I don't know why we even bothered, it's not like we the people have more say about how taxes are levied with our own government in charge.[/QUOTE] pretty sure the colonists didn't want to be taxed at all if they couldn't be represented back home "no taxation without representation"
[QUOTE=stupid10er;32865110]pretty sure the colonists didn't want to be taxed at all if they couldn't be represented back home "no taxation without representation"[/QUOTE] To be fair, we were hypocrites on that even. I believe that in our local mini democracies we had, we didn't represent a lot of our own people yet taxed them.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32861784]They're just mad because they lost all their land.[/QUOTE] You cried so we just gave it to you. After all it's what you do with your land, not how much of it you have :wink: [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MikeHenderso;32864340]Guy in comments gets it right - "The whole idea makes me laugh, especially in light of decades and centuries of British Empire and the brutality it wrought, which still negatively impacts millions to this day. Of course, the same can be said for the American Empire that followed."[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.emoticonsworld.org/data/media/72/deal_with_it_dog.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;32865228]You cried so we just gave it to you. After all it's what you do with your land, not how much of it you have :wink:[/QUOTE] Gave it to us? I don't think having a war over it constitutes "Giving."
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