Pro-Ukrainian far-right militia threaten to pull back from frontline and march on Kiev. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45726144]Sounds like you did not read first paragraph m8 So by picture those are mere remnants of organization or attempt to rise on hype, not proof of full activity.[/QUOTE] So they're still pro-russian neo-nazis. You told me to find them, and I did. Easily. Stop pretending they don't exist because their organisation isn't at their full 100,000 member strength anymore.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45726151]Follow the source that claims that they're inactive. It doesn't exist and was years old at time of posting anyway. [img]http://puu.sh/aXz24/d63573d7ca.png[/img] [img]http://puu.sh/aXz2L/65cd7a41ed.png[/img] you're failing to use wiki at even a basic level.[/QUOTE] What you post only proves there are neo-nazi in Russia. There most luckily ARE neo-nazi from Russia among the rebels. However the rebels are not a neo-nazi force, they don't act as a nationalistic movenment and I highly doubt there are more neo-nazi among rebels then among Ukrainian soldiers considering it's damn Ukrainian territory and Ukraine is obesse with nationalism right now. If you find a wiki article talking precisely about russian neo-nazi IN THE REBEL FORCE then it might be a relevant arguement.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45726151]Follow the source that claims that they're inactive. It doesn't exist and was years old at time of posting anyway. [img]http://puu.sh/aXz24/d63573d7ca.png[/img] [img]http://puu.sh/aXz2L/65cd7a41ed.png[/img] you're failing to use wiki at even a basic level.[/QUOTE] You gave link to wiki article that says they are inactive in very first parahraph soo no need to go personal here, just link to the one that says they are active instead.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45726165]So they're still pro-russian neo-nazis. You told me to find them, and I did. Easily. Stop pretending they don't exist because their organisation isn't at their full 100,000 member strength anymore.[/QUOTE] You must be kidding me. No, you must be trolling.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45726165]So they're still pro-russian neo-nazis. You told me to find them, and I did. Easily. Stop pretending they don't exist because their organisation isn't at their full 100,000 member strength anymore.[/QUOTE] what, i never said they do not exist, i just pointed out you gave wiki link with contradiciton to your words. Jeez.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45726168]What you post only proves there are neo-nazi in Russia. There most luckily ARE neo-nazi from Russia among the rebels. However the rebels are not a neo-nazi force, they don't act as a nationalistic movenment and I highly doubt there are more neo-nazi among rebels then among Ukrainian soldiers considering it's damn Ukrainian territory and Ukraine is obesse with nationalism right now. If you find a wiki article talking precisely about russian neo-nazi IN THE REBEL FORCE then it might be a relevant arguement.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Unity[/URL] [URL]http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/04/east-ukraine-crisis-fascist-ma-2014416145823826439.html[/URL] searchlight is a longstanding anti-nazi organisation and they're running pieces on RNE being very active in Eastern Ukraine and tied to the leadership of the separatists. [URL]http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/news/featured-news/ukraines-separatists-and-their-dubious-leaders[/URL] [editline]18th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=karimatrix;45726177]what, i never said they do not exist, i just pointed out you gave wiki link with contradiciton to your words. Jeez.[/QUOTE] That small part of the wiki was incorrect and wasn't even sourced. So it didn't contradict me.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45724135]One neo-nazi detonated bombs in Oslo, and slaughtered roughly 80 people, a North American Militia Member by the name of Timothy Mcveigh is responsible for greatest loss of life on American soil by a domestic terrorist, and a small group of men brought down the World Trade Centers and are responsible for a total of three wars and current ongoing conflicts in the Middle East... Totaling somewhere at 500,000 to 1,000,000 deaths. Trust me. One man or women can do a lot of damage in a short time frame. We can create, but we are better at destroying.[/QUOTE] Both were homegrown. Not to mention you can easily look up how to build a bomb on the internet. Heck, McVeigh did that before looking up how to build a bomb on the internet was a thing. The most these people can learn from their experiences there is infantry tactics which isn't much use to a single man or woman. Sure, they could go back home and teach their methods to groups of people, but I seriously do not see it as much a threat as you're making it.

Reminds me of what Lenin did during Kornilov's coup against Kerensky.

[QUOTE=Angus725;45736364]Reminds me of what Lenin did during Kornilov's coup against Kerensky.[/QUOTE] If I recall, wasn't that when the provisional government decided to arm the Red Guard so they could aid in the fighting? Obviously Lenin was the leader of the Bolsheviks at the time, but I'm not sure it's really what he did so much as what Kerensky did.

Nazis are a minority in Russia. Mostly because our government is highly paranoid about it (yes, there were even courts for people who were wearing medallions with indian swastika. Fortunately, everything was alright). And Pravii Sektor is already made into a spooky story for Russian media. Even if they try to help elders to do groceries, they will be claimed as "grandma thiefs". Unfortunately, I dunno, do they have a bigger role, than just shouting random curses against Russia, or not...

[QUOTE=DrAkcel;45739381]Nazis are a minority in Russia. Mostly because our government is highly paranoid about it (yes, there were even courts for people who were wearing medallions with indian swastika. Fortunately, everything was alright). And Pravii Sektor is already made into a spooky story for Russian media. Even if they try to help elders to do groceries, they will be claimed as "grandma thiefs". Unfortunately, I dunno, do they have a bigger role, than just shouting random curses against Russia, or not...[/QUOTE] The National Guard, which is said to mostly consist of neo-nazi group memebers, including Pravii Sector, is confirmed to have been shooting their own soldiers that try to flee to Russian side. Just like old (WWII) times.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45739838]The National Guard, which is said to mostly consist of neo-nazi group memebers, including Pravii Sector, is confirmed to have been shooting their own soldiers that try to flee to Russian side. Just like old (WWII) times.[/QUOTE] 'confirmed' but proves no confirmation.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45740093]'confirmed' but proves no confirmation.[/QUOTE] There were like 4 news stories about ukraine soldiers being healed up by Russians and sent back to Ukraine. They told this stuff.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45740270]There were like 4 news stories about ukraine soldiers being healed up by Russians and sent back to Ukraine. They told this stuff.[/QUOTE] A link would be nice?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45740347]A link would be nice?[/QUOTE] I watched them on TV. Well and also talked personally to some Ukrainian refugees in Rostov-na-donu, one even gifted me a bullet which he claimed he picked up somewhere on the border. They were not soldiers though so it doesn't confirm anything in that case.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45740381]I watched them on TV. Well and also talked personally to some Ukrainian refugees in Rostov-na-donu, one even gifted me a bullet which he claimed he picked up somewhere on the border. They were not soldiers though so it doesn't confirm anything in that case.[/QUOTE] News agencies commonly make online articles to segments they broadcast. Also, broadcasted segments can usually easily be found either on youtube or the news site itself.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45740418]News agencies commonly make online articles to segments they broadcast. Also, broadcasted segments can usually easily be found either on youtube or the news site itself.[/QUOTE] I am afraid it's all in Russian. Last time I tried referencing to Russian sources I got banned for a month with reason "Seek help". Here is an article about some soldiers fleeing to Russia [url]http://rt.com/news/180772-ukrainian-soldiers-cross-russia/[/url] This too [url]http://rt.com/news/177956-kiev-abandons-ukrainian-soldiers/[/url] Same thing in bbc [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28652096[/url] It's probably the least biased BBC video on ukraine conflict I have seen. Apart from the "Ukraine believes Moscow is fueling the conflict" there is no attack at Russians and they just show what happened. I can't find them talking about being attacked when Running away, but a Ukrainian soldier have been shown being interviewed about it on TV. I don't remember the date when I saw it so I doubt I will find the video. I will try though.