can Scotland and Ireland just make a new union and stay with the eu together?
[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;52516278]can Scotland and Ireland just make a new union and stay with the eu together?[/QUOTE]
only if scotland likes a bit of craic
[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;52516278]can Scotland and Ireland just make a new union and stay with the eu together?[/QUOTE]
Nope. Conservatives gained so many seats in Scotland last election it's pretty much killed any talks of Scottish independence. That ship has sailed for at least a generation.
It seems like this whole Brexit deal was conjured from an imaginary problem anyway, so I'm sure those Tory lads will make something up, that's what they're best at.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52515615]It's been suggested by a think tank that it is probably a better way forward for Ireland to join the UK in leaving.[/QUOTE]
Was this think tank formed in your small intestine?
huh, kinda like repealling obamacare required imaginative interpritations of statutes and creative legal writ.
i don't see how they put up a border without pissing off ireland and north ireland
[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;52516278]can Scotland and Ireland just make a new union and stay with the eu together?[/QUOTE]
The only possible way for Scotland to stay in the EU now is if it went independent but the SNP has had big losses in local, Scottish Parliament and UK Parliament since 2015. Independence is pretty much dead.
That being said a lot of Scots are very pro EU, but do not want independence from the UK (or rather like me they do but do not believe it to be practical) and most people who are pro independence also want to stay in the EU, but that's not an option because independence is off the cards despite a good majority of Scotland voting to stay in the EU.
Everybody loses, basically.
The article was updated (RTE have this weird habit of constantly updating an article on the same story with relevant evidence until the next day):
[QUOTE]Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said the Government does not want any sort of economic border on the island of Ireland after Brexit.
Mr Varadkar said if Britain wants to put forward technological solutions that is up to them, but the Government would not do that work for them.
In what is the most hard-hitting response yet from the Taoiseach on the issue of the border, he said the Government was not going to design a border for the Brexiteers.
"So let them forward their proposals as to how they think a border should operate and we'll ask them if they really think this is such a good idea," he said.
He warned that it would have a very severe impact on the British economy "if they go down that route".[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/we-wont-help-the-uk-come-up-with-border-solution-leo-varadkar-35977592.html"]New source as well, Irish Independent:
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[QUOTE]Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has warned that Ireland will not play any role in creating a border between the North and the Republic.
In a dramatic raising of the Brexit stakes, Mr Varadkar has said it is up to the British government to devise the so-called seamless border – but warned even then Ireland may not accept it.
"There hasn’t been an economic border since 1992. As far as this Government is concerned there shouldn’t be an economic border.
"We don’t want one. It’s the United Kingdom, it’s Britain that has decided to leave and if they want to put forward smart solutions, technological solutions for borders of the future and all of that that’s up to them," he said.
"We’re not going to be doing that work for them because we don’t think there should be an economic border at all. That is our position."
The comments are likely to stun the UK government who have until now been working closely with Dublin to devise what Prime Minister Theresa May has described as a "frictionless border".
It had been suggested that technology could be used to monitor goods crossing between the Republic and Northern Ireland after Brexit – but Mr Varadkar has now rejected this out of hand.
Asked whether he was concerned that by ratcheting up the rhetoric he could upset the DUP in Northern Ireland or Downing Street, Mr Varadkar bluntly replied: “'I hope there won’t be any angry response from anyone. Anger isn’t a policy and anger doesn’t lead to solutions. But if anyone is angry it should be us.”
He said the Good Friday Agreement was written in the context of Britain and Ireland working together within the EU.
“It is the British and the Brexiteers who are leaving, so if anyone should be angry it’s us quite frankly. But we’re not going to get angry. We are going to try and find solutions that will benefit or at least minimise the damage to relations between Britain and Ireland, to the peace process and to trading links. But what we are not going to do is design a border for the Brexiteers.
“They are the ones who want a border, it is up to them to say what it is, to say how it would work and to first of all convince their own people, their own voters, that this is actually a good idea,” he said.
The Taoiseach said his government position is “very clear”, adding: “We do not think it’s in the interests of Northern Ireland or the United Kingdom that there should be an economic border between our two countries or on our island and we’re not going to be helping them to design some sort of border that we don’t believe should exist in the first place.”
“So let them put forward their proposals as to how they think a border should operate and then we’ll ask them if they really think this is such a good idea because I think it will have a very severe impact on their economy if they decide to go down that route.”[/QUOTE]
Christ things are really heating up and the government has gotten more and more entrenched in this position. They really [I]do not[/I] want any sort of border.
I am really conflicted. I don't want a border either, I want it as invisible as possible, and I am glad the Irish government appears to want to fight for our rights... but by god this is the most extreme reaction or stance to any issue an Irish government has undertaken in a very long while, from what I can remember. I'm getting really, really worried about what's going to happen. :s
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52515615]It's been suggested by a think tank that it is probably a better way forward for Ireland to join the UK in leaving.[/QUOTE]
That think tank can go royally fuck itself in the asshole if that's what they think. I've already had a go off a guy on Reddit for believing we should leave the EU and I can't believe for a second that there might be a small few people here retarded enough to actually want that. We would be a backwards assed agricultural society if it wasn't for the EU. And it would be shit.
That "think tank" would want to invest in new brains or just throw in the towel, cause they haven't a fucking clue.
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