Iran declares it can sink US carrier with 'ease' in Persian gulf.
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Any country that isn't armed with rocks could take down a single carrier if it wanted to. And it would accomplish jack shit because US army could still defeat Iran without skipping a beat.
It's like Iran is at a chess party and proclaims that it has enough figures to take down enemy queen.
Would still piss off the US if they sunk their prized John C. Stennis
You guys keep talking about the sinking of a carrier like it doesn't represent a MASSIVE loss of life. Do you people realize how much of a tragedy the loss of a single carrier would be? Thousands of men and women live and operate in a carrier, and you all speak of it so lightly.
Secondly, I'm almost positive that the United States Navy understands the range and operating capabilities of most of the equipment that Iran uses because it is either American, French, or Russian. What makes you think any intelligent captain or admiral would let their ships get within range?
[editline]18th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34280922]Would still piss off the US if they sunk their prized John C. Stennis[/QUOTE]
It would do more than piss is off, you twat.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34281223]You guys keep talking about the sinking of a carrier like it doesn't represent a MASSIVE loss of life. Do you people realize how much of a tragedy the loss of a single carrier would be? Thousands of men and women live and operate in a carrier, and you all speak of it so lightly.
Secondly, I'm almost positive that the United States Navy understands the range and operating capabilities of most of the equipment that Iran uses because it is either American, French, or Russian. What makes you think any intelligent captain or admiral would let their ships get within range?[/QUOTE]
The Straight of Hormuz is 30-40Km wide, Iran has Ghader anti ship missiles which have operating range of 200+Km.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;34276463]Chances are if we go to war with Iran, we won't be trying to rebuild them like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Devastate their military infrastructure and withdraw, Desert Storm style.[/QUOTE]
Gonna be really honest, I wouldn't give a flying fuck right now. We're trying to help them by sacrificing lives and we get bitched at anyway.
even if Iran would sink a US carrier, the US public as a whole would definitely be more pro-war than as we were with the War on Terror BS.
[QUOTE=stupid10er;34281412]even if Iran would sink a US carrier, the US public as a whole would definitely be more pro-war than as we were with the War on Terror BS.[/QUOTE]
Usually happens when you sink a the largest aircraft carrier in the world, I wonder if Iran has Torpedo mines.
If we can get into a war without electing a Republican what's even the point at all?
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34280634]Not what you said, and not every single person in Iran's government is responsible for the actions of its dictatorial leader.[/QUOTE]
No just the ones who support him.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34276591]US Stages full land invasion of Iran.
Iran launches nuke and destroys million strong force.
Iran declares invasion of US by 2020.
Iran says new world order by 2025
[img]http://www.newsgroper.com/files/post_images/ahmadinejadpeace.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
You just leaked the plot to Homefront 2.
Technically, if Iran managed to sink one of our carriers (which would be horrific and the biggest single military loss since WWII), nothing would be left of their non-covert military forces. Retribution for it would be terrible.
Blowing up a U.S carrier would evoke a response similar to that of try to make a honey badger give you a blow job.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34281277]The Straight of Hormuz is 30-40Km wide, Iran has Ghader anti ship missiles which have operating range of 200+Km.[/QUOTE]
Send in the Growlers! I love me a good Growler.
Thing is, the American military is built for conventional warfare. The only way we'd take massive casualties is if Iran engaged in guerrilla type tactics, which they would after we completely ruined their country. Point is the American military is a fucking power house and anybody who came at us face to face would get shit stomped. Look at the Iraq casualties from desert storm vs. what the insurgents did to us. I hope we don't go to war, but please realize as with Iran, nobody has seen the American military in full pissed off mode in half a century; if it came to war with Iran, as well as war with countries who came to their aid, our workforce would fucking mobilize.
[QUOTE=Squad;34280482]They would encourage the burning of the flags... That means they have to make more which means more business... Meaning more money.[/QUOTE]
I forgot about that.
[QUOTE=The golden;34282412]And the joy of having a military like that is that your country is falling apart from the inside.[/QUOTE]
Lol "falling apart" that's nice.
[QUOTE=The golden;34282559]Your economy is in such dire straits that it's bringing down the rest of the world. Your country has one of the worst healthcare systems in any first world country. Your poverty and unemployment are skyrocketing at disturbing rates. Funding is being cut from areas such as education and various compensations rather than cut the over-inflated military budget. You sold off all your jobs to foreign countries so now no one can actually get decent jobs.[/QUOTE]
Man, the fundamental lack of a grasp on the current economic situation is mind boggling.
The US economy is actually doing a lot better, and is continuing to grow. If you want to know who's dragging the world down at the moment, take a look at Europe. Unemployment has been shrinking over the last 12 consecutive months in the United States. Learn how globalization works.
You must be very young, because you apparently think things like a cut education budget and increasing poverty are the end of the world. These things are far, far from unprecedented in the history of the United States. The world's economy is pretty shitty right now (including yours), but guess what? This isn't the first recession in history.
[QUOTE=The golden;34282559]Your economy is in such dire straits that it's bringing down the rest of the world. Your country has one of the worst healthcare systems in any first world country. Your poverty and unemployment are skyrocketing at disturbing rates. Funding is being cut from areas such as education and various compensations rather than cut the over-inflated military budget. You sold off all your jobs to foreign countries so now no one can actually get decent jobs.[/QUOTE]
While I do agree just remember that the American defense budget has brought an INCREDIBLE amount of technological innovations to the world and please realize one of the reasons that you cant talk about how awesome Canada is, is because you've got your big ass bouncer to the south.
[QUOTE=Fueger;34282655]Also, remember one of the reasons that you cant talk about how awesome Canada is because you've got your big ass bouncer to the south.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I've met a Canadian (who knew I was an American) who didn't go on about it, though (usually involving a very strange take on the War of 1812).
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34279437]No this is entirely untrue. Iraq in the Gulf War was much better trained, equipped, and developed than Iran is even now, and, like a previous poster said, we literally killed tens of thousands of them while we lost around 300 troops overall.[/QUOTE]
You mean 3 years after being decimated by the Iranian counterattack? The first gulf war being considered one of, if not the most successful US military operation in history?
[editline]19th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=noctune9;34279543]As said before, this is national poverty lines. They vary from country to country, and some (most?) of the countries with no data doesn't even have one. I know Denmark doesn't have a national poverty line.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's almost as if it's a terrible metric to use.
[QUOTE=Squad;34280310]I'm waiting for Japan to tap Iran on the shoulder and say, "Don't fuck with their boats, they love boats..."[/QUOTE]
Man, if I was the Japanese president/emperor that would be my first line ever.
I wish someone said that.
Lets see a few examples of what happens when our ships are fucked with... Operation Praying Mantis (lol Iran), sinking of the USS Maine, and Gulf of Tonkin.
I think no doubt they could sink a carrier, but they would never win a war against U.S.
[QUOTE=Fueger;34282874]Lets see a few examples of what happens when our ships are fucked with... Operation Praying Mantis (lol Iran), sinking of the USS Maine, and Gulf of Tonkin.[/QUOTE]
I thought that Operation was illegal under international law. You were supplying weapons to Iraq, so they mined the gulf and then one of your ships hit a mine so you attacked Iran's ships.
[QUOTE=sYnced;34282984]I think no doubt they could sink a carrier, but they would never win a war against U.S.[/QUOTE]
yes, and they don't fucking want to, because they know that
why do you think they want to develop the capability to develop nuclear weapons?
This is all posturing to send the US hawk lobby a message that strong military action against Iran wouldn't be in their best interests because of the likely political fallout
[editline]19th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34283010]I thought that Operation was illegal under international law. You were supplying weapons to Iraq, so they mined the gulf and then one of your ships hit a mine so you attacked Iran's ships.[/QUOTE]
I think they justified it with regard to self defense, but most people seem to agree that the use of force was disproportionately strong
I figured Iran would be trying to lay low and attempt to precede with their nuclear program, but apparently not.
They really seems like they have started to believe their "paper tiger" propaganda about the U.S military.
[QUOTE=Contag;34283073]yes, and they don't fucking want to, because they know that
why do you think they want to develop the capability to develop nuclear weapons?
This is all posturing to send the US hawk lobby a message that strong military action against Iran wouldn't be in their best interests because of the likely political fallout
[editline]19th January 2012[/editline]
I think they justified it with regard to self defense, but most people seem to agree that the use of force was disproportionately strong[/QUOTE]
Whether it was proportionate or not, near 1/2 of the incidents were the American military goes all John Wayne is when something happens to one of our ships.
It is [I]possible[/I] that Iran or other Arab nations have sleeper cells in the US with briefcase bombs, (many were lost during the downfall of the Soviet Union); and if we attack, they could decimate major cities. It isn't impossible, and we should be on the lookout, especially if you live within a 300 radius of a major city if we go to war with Iran.
[QUOTE=>VLN<;34283181]It is [I]possible[/I] that Iran or other Arab nations have sleeper cells in the US with briefcase bombs, (many were lost during the downfall of the Soviet Union); and if we attack, they could decimate major cities. It isn't impossible, and we should be on the lookout, especially if you live within a 300 radius of a major city if we go to war with Iran.[/QUOTE]
Even if it was possible, that would just be a death wish on their end.
If a war did unfold, i think that Iran, WOULD be destroyed, but the US would face bad casualties. Iran seem to be dick waving a lot. There is method in their madness though, i think. They seem like the WANT to be destroyed, maybe they're hoping russia will, like, back them up or something. Who cares, If iran decides to launch the nukes that they have i won't be anywhere near the danger zone, Australia would but the fuck out in this case.
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