• Iran declares it can sink US carrier with 'ease' in Persian gulf.
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You guys make this seem like the U.S is some invincible video game army, I bet Iran could take down a carrier of ours.
[img]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/572/homingsupercavhovet.png[/img] Take what you will from this image but its a Iranian homing torpedo
[QUOTE=GunFox;34285714]Actually the gates of hell would open. A formal declaration of war would pass almost immediately. Strategic bombers would be there in hours. They would be met with escorts launched from Iraq which would see them to their targets. Likely B-2's that would be met by F-22's. From there they start going down the list of targets. Starting with airports and AA defenses. With the air defense network neutralized, The B-1B's and the B-52's would enter into the airspace escorted by F-15's and F-16's sortied from Iraq. Israel would declare war at this point. Assuming they didn't immediately nuke Iran, they would launch targeted strikes against every nuclear installation they had their eye on. Iraq may reluctantly declare war as well, though they would likely focus on defending themselves. Then the bombers would move on to power plants, hospitals, military installations, water treatment facilities, food distribution centers, armored vehicle depots, etc etc. Israel would likely strike out at places of worship or suspected terrorist training facilities. The death toll would be astonishing. By the end of the first couple of weeks, Iran would likely almost entirely be without power or running water. Their military would be crippled. Then the USN shows up with more carrier battle groups. Depending on how things proceed, the marines may launch from the battle groups and begin taking coastal cities. This would not be under the guise of liberation. They would be an occupying force and many civilians would die in the crossfire. The US army would likely be unable to deploy armored vehicles to the region in serious numbers for a few weeks after that. Though airborne troops might make an appearance. A ground assault would be unlikely however. They generate bad PR and we don't really want Iran in the first place. In all likelihood, the carriers would sit outside of missile range and sortie fighter after fighter. Adding to the overall destruction. Sinking a carrier would fuck Iran so hardcore that it isn't even funny.[/QUOTE] That would literally never happen. Even if Iran attacked a US ship. There'd be a HUGE backlash from literally everyone with a brain. 'Strategic' bombing is probably the worst idea anyone has ever had, because despite it's name it basically means "turn a city into a firestorm bombing".
[QUOTE=TommyWiseau1;34285907]You guys make this seem like the U.S is some invincible video game army, I bet Iran could take down a carrier of ours.[/QUOTE] Maybe they could. But are Iran's leaders stupid enough to do that? Certainly not.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34285714]Actually the gates of hell would open. A formal declaration of war would pass almost immediately. Strategic bombers would be there in hours. They would be met with escorts launched from [b]Iraq[/b] which would see them to their targets. Likely B-2's that would be met by F-22's.[/QUOTE] Al Dhafra, UAE would be more likely since we already have an air force base there rather than scraping up what we have left in Iraq if there is anything there to begin with.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34285931][img]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/572/homingsupercavhovet.png[/img] Take what you will from this image but its a Iranian homing torpedo[/QUOTE] I see a propellor...
[QUOTE=Contag;34282715]You mean 3 years after being decimated by the Iranian counterattack? The first gulf war being considered one of, if not the most successful US military operation in history?[/QUOTE] Even after the war with Iran, Iraq still was the premier power in the region by far. They were stronger then than Iran is today. They result will be the same.
[QUOTE=Jawalt;34285972]That would literally never happen. Even if Iran attacked a US ship. There'd be a HUGE backlash from literally everyone with a brain. 'Strategic' bombing is probably the worst idea anyone has ever had, because despite it's name it basically means "turn a city into a firestorm bombing".[/QUOTE] that's the point, it's a "revenge" thing. What, are we just going to politely ask Iran to compensate us for the carrier? They'd probably make little toy carriers and give them to us.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34285983]I see a propellor...[/QUOTE] I dont.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34286000]that's the point, it's a "revenge" thing. What, are we just going to politely ask Iran to compensate us for the carrier? They'd probably make little toy carriers and give them to us.[/QUOTE] No, but I'm pretty sure the US knows a total war/scorched earth policy would make them look EVEN WORSE in the eyes of the ENTIRE middle east.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34286019]I dont.[/QUOTE] The shiny metal thing on the rear end of it. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jawalt;34286029]No, but I'm pretty sure the US knows a total war/scorched earth policy would make them look EVEN WORSE in the eyes of the ENTIRE middle east.[/QUOTE] First of all, at this point nobody would care about what the Middle East thinks if they were to sink a carrier. And second of all, I'm pretty sure an unwarranted act of aggression such as that would bring everyone with a brain over to the U.S.'s side.
[QUOTE=Jawalt;34286029]No, but I'm pretty sure the US knows a total war/scorched earth policy would make them look EVEN WORSE in the eyes of the ENTIRE middle east.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure we can't get much worse than we are right now. American flag burning is like a popular activity.
Even if you're right, its still fucking deadly. Especially their midget subs with Hoot's.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34286060]Even if you're right, its still fucking deadly. Especially their midget subs with Hoot's.[/QUOTE] midget subs are overrated, they have shit range.
[QUOTE=Jawalt;34286029]No, but I'm pretty sure the US knows a total war/scorched earth policy would make them look EVEN WORSE in the eyes of the ENTIRE middle east.[/QUOTE] Well maybe it'd make it very clear to some of the other countries what happens when you literally decide to just attack us, destroying one of our ships is an act of war and they're asking for it with all their dickwaving
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;34283352]Australia would be nuked for sitting out and being pussys Good lord guys it was a joke.[/QUOTE] We've backed up America in almost every single war for the past half a century, so shut the fuck up. And its not a good joke.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34286092]midget subs are overrated, they have shit range.[/QUOTE] They don't need range, the Gulf waters are 80 meters maximum in deph, and the straight is only 30-40Km wide.
We have the best navy in the world if I'm not mistaken. Silly Iran.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34286133]They don't need range, the Gulf waters are 80 meters maximum in deph, and the straight is only 30-40Km wide.[/QUOTE] You're making it sound like the military never at any point considered the possibility of Iranian subs
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;34286143]You're making it sound like the military never at any point considered the possibility of Iranian subs[/QUOTE] You're making it sound as if Iranian subs arent meant to kill US ships.
You're making it sound as if they're really good.
[QUOTE=person11;34285515]1. There probably will not be any war 2. If there is one, it will hurt the world economy because oil prices will surge 3. The war will be long and will have a large amount of casualties 4. The United States will unquestionably win, the only question is how much damage Iran can do to us[/QUOTE] 5. We will have to put up with more jokes and unfunny pictures about it.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;34285831]The thing Im trying to understand is if they're aware of the force, [I]why[/I] would they wave their dicks about in your faces. That's like asking for a bear to maul your face, unless you have something up your sleeve that would fuck up said bear, which is what I am assuming Iran possesses.[/QUOTE] Or maybe Iran didn't make that claim, and as the article stated, it was a military officer who said that during an interview with an Iranian news agency??? Or we can just read title and jump to conclusions as usual. There's a huge difference between that, and publicly stating so for the sake of provocation.
[QUOTE=The golden;34286375]The US will undoubtedly win any conflict with Iran. However, Iran has a trained military force with decent equipment. There will be considerable American casualties.[/QUOTE] less than 2,000 figures in contag's scenario [release] [b]thread music: SO RELEVANT (j/k)[/b] [video=youtube;TPDVA9O5gQc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDVA9O5gQc[/video] [/release] [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=doonbugie2;34286178]You're making it sound as if Iranian subs arent meant to kill US ships.[/QUOTE] you make it sound as if US ships aren't meant to kill other ships and subs.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34286178]You're making it sound as if Iranian subs arent meant to kill US ships.[/QUOTE] Iran's leaders are educated people and know perfectly well what will happen if they attacked the US. They will lose, and not a single ally will come to help them. There will be no war.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34286133]They don't need range, the Gulf waters are 80 meters maximum in deph, and the straight is only 30-40Km wide.[/QUOTE] Which is why they'd never get anywhere near the boats. Surface ships use active sonar constantly when defending a carrier. No reason not to. Everyone KNOWS there is a battlegroup there if they just listen for a minute with passive systems, so the best defense is a good offense and early detection. SH-60 Seahawks are also cruising about constantly and dipping detection systems into the water. They navy doesn't fuck around. Submarine warfare is one thing they are excellent at. Now normally you can still get pretty close to a ship by being quiet and running deep. The reason for this has to do with the thermocline in the ocean. Somewhere a good ways down (Roughly 100 meters in the ocean) the temperature changes drastically. This creates a barrier that has some odd properties. Sciencey bit aside, the ultimate result is that the barrier can reflect sonar waves. So you can hide under it. Modern submarines (Well most anyways. There are some neat tricks you can pull with bubbles) RELY on the thermal layer to avoid detection from surface vessels. Above that layer, sonar pings them immediately.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34286384]less than 2,000 figures in contag's scenario [release] [b]thread music: SO RELEVANT (j/k)[/b] [video=youtube;TPDVA9O5gQc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDVA9O5gQc[/video] [/release] [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] you make it sound as if US ships aren't meant to kill other ships and subs.[/QUOTE] Yes that is obvious, but we should not under estimate them.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34286445]Yes that is obvious, but we should not under estimate them.[/QUOTE] Nor should we overestimate them
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;34286499]Nor should we overestimate them[/QUOTE] They're somewhere within Somali pirates and Russian navy in terms of strength and tech.
itt you learn that the US of A owns and operates 11 aircraft carries. Next in line is italy with 2. Everyone else has one.
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