• Iran declares it can sink US carrier with 'ease' in Persian gulf.
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[QUOTE=neutra;34286581]itt you learn that the US of A owns and operates 11 aircraft carries. Next in line is italy with 2. Everyone else has one.[/QUOTE] And then you realize those 11 are supercarriers, as opposed to the others being regular carriers.
[QUOTE=VOSK;34276285]Why is Iran basically saying "Come at me Bro?" to the U.S. It wont end well for them...[/QUOTE] unless we invade iran, and then we're stuck with yet another quagmire.
It would be nice to have a conventional force to fight for once, and for legit reasons
[QUOTE=fox '09;34286690]unless we invade iran, and then we're stuck with yet another quagmire.[/QUOTE] I love how all of you assume that the US is going to be able to turn Iran into Afghanistan. [editline]19th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;34286745]It would be nice to have a conventional force to fight for once, and for legit reasons[/QUOTE] Because death is cool, man.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;34286745]It would be nice to have a conventional force to fight for once, and for legit reasons[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be entirely conventional, though, and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002"]we wouldn't win.[/URL] The truth of it is we currently have no idea how well our military can actually do jack shit in a larger scale conflict.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34286983]It wouldn't be entirely conventional, though, and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002"]we wouldn't win.[/URL] The truth of it is we currently have no idea how well our military can actually do jack shit in a larger scale conflict.[/QUOTE] We wouldn't need to "win". We would just bomb the SHIT out of everything.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34287052]We wouldn't need to "win". We would just bomb the SHIT out of everything.[/QUOTE] Thats the spirit! Civilians are worthless anyways!
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34286983]It wouldn't be entirely conventional, though, and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002"]we wouldn't win.[/URL] The truth of it is we currently have no idea how well our military can actually do jack shit in a larger scale conflict.[/QUOTE] Interesting read, but that doesn't mean we would lose outright. I have a feeling Iran will be taken seriously enough though to avoid losses from underestimation/stupidity.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34286983]It wouldn't be entirely conventional, though, and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002"]we wouldn't win.[/URL] The truth of it is we currently have no idea how well our military can actually do jack shit in a larger scale conflict.[/QUOTE] Yeah the part they like to leave out is that he fired more anti ship missiles than were in existence in the US arsenal. He complained a bunch when they said "no, you have limited resources. Here are the constraints" and gave him hardware amounts that matched reality.
As much as it would really, truly suck to have one of our carriers be sunk, and believe me, I'd be deeply emotionally impacted by such a huge loss of life (assuming all life saving features failed), I really would love to see what our military can do. I can't help but think the head of defense is just quietly thinking to himself, "Make my day, motherfuckers. I triple dog dare you. I've been waiting years to see what my military can really do." Good god, seeing the true ability to brutally rape anyone as bad as we could, that would be God-smacking to me.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34287067]Thats the spirit! Civilians are worthless anyways![/QUOTE] Hey, never said it was ethical or right :v: [editline]19th January 2012[/editline] On a sidenote if shit goes down I vote we rename Iran "East Jersey"
If the carrier was sunk wouldn't it partly stick out of the water with the shallow gulf waters.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34287904]If the carrier was sunk wouldn't it partly stick out of the water with the shallow gulf waters.[/QUOTE] It'd still be terrifying to be on it, no matter how shallow the water.
But couldn't you just throw life boats onto the deck and wait for it to sink.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34287904]If the carrier was sunk wouldn't it partly stick out of the water with the shallow gulf waters.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.usatoday.net/travel/_photos/2012/01/17/Transcript-Costa-Concordia-captain-and-Italian-coast-guard-Q0RNHT8-x-large.jpg[/img] Imagine that's a carrier. I think the jets would have a pretty hard time taking off.
[QUOTE=V12US;34288127][img]http://i.usatoday.net/travel/_photos/2012/01/17/Transcript-Costa-Concordia-captain-and-Italian-coast-guard-Q0RNHT8-x-large.jpg[/img] Imagine that's a carrier. I think the jets would have a pretty hard time taking off.[/QUOTE] Except a carrier would be about 10 times larger.
Think of the positives though, recovery would be simple once we win. Lol
U.S.S John C. Stennis FTW.
[QUOTE=Noble;34286409]Iran's leaders are educated people and know perfectly well what will happen if they attacked the US. They will lose, and not a single ally will come to help them. There will be no war.[/QUOTE] This, basically. They may like to stomp around a lot, wave their flags and test their missiles, but in the end they aren't suicidal.
[QUOTE=ice445;34288167]Think of the positives though, recovery would be simple once we win. Lol[/QUOTE] No it wouldn't, the Stennis would only have a flag pole sticking out of the water.. if anything. Its to big to recover.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;34287870]As much as it would really, truly suck to have one of our carriers be sunk, and believe me, I'd be deeply emotionally impacted by such a huge loss of life (assuming all life saving features failed), I really would love to see what our military can do. I can't help but think the head of defense is just quietly thinking to himself, "Make my day, motherfuckers. I triple dog dare you. I've been waiting years to see what my military can really do." Good god, seeing the true ability to brutally rape anyone as bad as we could, that would be God-smacking to me.[/QUOTE] 'Deeply emotionally impacted' by the deaths of a few sailors, doesnt give a fuck about millions of civillians that wpuld die in the process.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34288262]'Deeply emotionally impacted' by the deaths of a few sailors, doesnt give a fuck about millions of civillians that wpuld die in the process.[/QUOTE] Oh shit, forgot to mention that part [editline]19th January 2012[/editline] MY BAD, i didn't intentionally leave that out to seem like a huge asshole. Yes, the deaths of many innocent civilians would be pretty awful too, no matter where they're from
[QUOTE=GunFox;34287376]Yeah the part they like to leave out is that he fired more anti ship missiles than were in existence in the US arsenal. He complained a bunch when they said "no, you have limited resources. Here are the constraints" and gave him hardware amounts that matched reality.[/QUOTE] Wait, seriously? Also, that doesn't change: [QUOTE]Exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue, and on several occasions directed the Opposing Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue. It even ordered him to reveal the location of Red units, he said “We were directed … to move air defenses so that the Army and Marine units could successfully land,” he said. “We were simply directed to turn [the air-defense systems] off or move them. … So it was scripted to be whatever the control group wanted it to be.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34286983]It wouldn't be entirely conventional, though, and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002"]we wouldn't win.[/URL] The truth of it is we currently have no idea how well our military can actually do jack shit in a larger scale conflict.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and the first Gulf War was supposed to have a few thousand casualties [i]in the first twenty-four hours.[/i] War games and simulations sure are cool and a good training tool, but you have to remember that this is Iran. Despite actually having a defense industry and a military, it's not a first-world powerhouse of destruction. Argentina had a military, a pretty decent one actually, in the Falklands War and Argentina also had her skirt lifted, her asshole reamed and lost the war anyway. Simply put, the United States has all the cards except for the ability to conduct a lengthy campaign, which we won't need to do. Firepower, numbers and individual training are all on our side and merely being nearby is slowly weakening the Iranian morale and testing their nerve. It's not a good thought to think of the destruction we can lay down on Iran, but we can do it. Plus, you know how the US is kind of politically split right now? Iran's the same way and has been that way for some time. While not exactly pro-US, a large chunk of the Iranian population thinks that the Iranian government is total bullshit.[QUOTE=GunFox;34287376]Yeah the part they like to leave out is that he fired more anti ship missiles than were in existence in the US arsenal. He complained a bunch when they said "no, you have limited resources. Here are the constraints" and gave him hardware amounts that matched reality.[/QUOTE]Still, it's a good example of a theoretical scenario where an under-equipped nation could knock our teeth out quite easily. Another thing that's easily forgotten is this exercise was conducted by extremely well-trained military personnel. Your average Iraqi, Iranian, etc. soldier has probably a third of the capability a NATO one has. The difference in equipment, training, organization, logistics and weapons capability is a pretty big one.
I could honestly see Iran being another Vietnam for America. Seriously underestimating the enemy who'll slowly chip away at the force with guerilla warfare and eventually force them out. Awaiting incoming US shitstorm.
[QUOTE=sam.clarke;34289322]I could honestly see Iran being another Vietnam for America. Seriously underestimating the enemy who'll slowly chip away at the force with guerilla warfare and eventually force them out. Awaiting incoming US shitstorm.[/QUOTE]You are aware that Iran is nothing like Afghanistan, correct? And an even further shot away from Vietnam. We've covered what a conflict with Iran would be like, go back and read GunFox's posts.
i was rooting for iran but now they seem like asshats.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34285714]A Strategic bombers would be there in hours. They would be met with escorts launched from Iraq which would see them to their targets. L[B]ikely B-2's that would be met by F-22's[/B]. [/QUOTE] Has a B-2 or F-22 ever been shot down before? Is there any system that can bring them down or detect them? US is quite OP, nerf pleae.
[QUOTE=sam.clarke;34289322]I could honestly see Iran being another Vietnam for America. Seriously underestimating the enemy who'll slowly chip away at the force with guerilla warfare and eventually force them out. Awaiting incoming US shitstorm.[/QUOTE] Supposing we did invade, the UN would most likely back us up. Even if they didn't, a large chunk of the Iranian population would sure as hell not want to fight us, unlike in Vietnam, in which nearly every male citizen in North Vietnam grabbed a gun and joined the NVA.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;34289490]Has a B-2 or F-22 ever been shot down before?[/QUOTE] No, but they sure seem to like to crash.
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