To those opposing this with the "Can you measure a life in any amount of money?" argument: That's rather flawed since obviously no one is in concern of them and there's no reason for them to live. Especially if that said person took the life of many others. I fully support death penalty if there's extremely solid evidence, little to no people oppose it, and if it is cheaper then keeping them alive until they die of natural causes.
Which is not the case, it's more expensive to sentence death penalty legally then to sentence life in the long run.
They should first set him free. And then when he has walked out of the gates. The guard shoots him.
[QUOTE=CrazyMoron;18310246]Lethal injection is far from humane.
Let's see the phases from two different perspectives:
Victims:
1. He's saying his last words
2. He died painlessly
3. Over
To be Executed.
1. Good bye cruel world
2. Last words/regret
3. OW! FUCK! STOP IT YOU PIGS! YOU AREN'T EVEN AIMING FOR VEINS, SHIT THAT ONE WENT INTO A MUSCLE! FUCK!
4. Pass out for 0.39845 seconds
5. Wake up
6. Unable to move
7. Searing pain as the Potassium Chloride seeps into your muscles. (See 3)
8. Start suffocating
9. Die from heart attack
Now you people who support the death penalty give me a reason why people should suffer. Just shoot them in the head, or better; bring back the guillotine.[/QUOTE]
You don't feel anything from lethal injection. It sedates and numbs your entire body.
[QUOTE=faze;18314906]You don't feel anything from lethal injection. It sedates and numbs your entire body.[/QUOTE]
Only if they apply the correct amount of sedative.
It is in no way humane, and the very fact that it can go wrong is reason enough to not allow it to happen.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18316713]Only if they apply the correct amount of sedative.
It is in no way humane, and the very fact that it can go wrong is reason enough to not allow it to happen.[/QUOTE]
He shouldn't have murdered people then. Capital Murder gets Capital Punishment. He obviously had some kind of lust for slaughtering people if he's looking down the scope of a sniper rifle, seeing their reactions, seeing their faces, and all that goes along with that. If you don't think the death penalty is good in cases like this... I don't know what else to say.
[QUOTE=Probydoby;18313923]Well it's easy to sit behind your computer and say " Glad he's dead "
But you don't know him! Maybe he has his reasons, who knows.[/QUOTE]
Well if you've got a good reason to snipe a bunch of random people, I'd like to hear it.
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[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18316713]Only if they apply the correct amount of sedative.
It is in no way humane, and the very fact that it can go wrong is reason enough to not allow it to happen.[/QUOTE]
It's better than the chair, which has a 100% painful death rate.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18316749]Well if you've got a good reason to snipe a bunch of random people, I'd like to hear it.
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It's better than the chair, which has a 100% painful death rate.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=faze;18316723]He shouldn't have murdered people then. Capital Murder gets Capital Punishment. He obviously had some kind of lust for slaughtering people if he's looking down the scope of a sniper rifle, seeing their reactions, seeing their faces, and all that goes along with that. If you don't think the death penalty is good in cases like this... I don't know what else to say.[/QUOTE]
There was a case, I forgot the exact person, but it was a woman who murdered people who said that, "every time I stabbed the person it felt like an orgasm."
Now, we talked about this in Honors Psychology, and our instructor told us this is a mix-up in the Id between what Freud called "Thanatos and Eros."
In other words, people like that have permanent scarring in the Unconscious, it's possible to sedate and suppress those feelings, sure, but it's impossible to fix a person like that.
What channel can I see this?
Tell me again, why do we need to inject some shit rather than just a bullet to the head?
[QUOTE=johanz;18317194]Tell me again, why do we need to inject some shit rather than just a bullet to the head?[/QUOTE]
Because we are humans not animals.
[QUOTE=faze;18316723]If you don't think the death penalty is good in cases like this... I don't know what else to say.[/QUOTE]
Good for what? He's already out of society and isn't a threat to anyone any more, thus him being killed or left alive shouldn't really matter to anyone. I can't think of any reasons why you'd kill someone other than to save your own life or someone else's, and in this case he can no longer do either, so killing him is pointless.
[QUOTE=Darkcoder;18317218]Good for what? He's already out of society and isn't a threat to anyone any more, thus him being killed or left alive shouldn't really matter to anyone. I can't think of any reasons why you'd kill someone other than to save your own life or someone else's, and in this case he can no longer do either, so killing him is pointless.[/QUOTE]
Keeping him alive is pointless.
[QUOTE=Megan Fox;18317215]Because we are humans not animals.[/QUOTE]
If I were to be sentenced to death, I would prefer to be shot than injected with something that doesn't even instakill me.
[QUOTE=faze;18316723]He shouldn't have murdered people then. Capital Murder gets Capital Punishment. He obviously had some kind of lust for slaughtering people if he's looking down the scope of a sniper rifle, seeing their reactions, seeing their faces, and all that goes along with that. If you don't think the death penalty is good in cases like this... I don't know what else to say.[/QUOTE]
What a ridiculous statement.
You cannot seriously think that this man was in a good mental state when he did this. He was recently divorced and desperate to see his children.
The difference between this and capital punishment is that the death penalty is cold, calculated and a violation of human rights which isn't justifiable.
I am not saying that somehow the man killing 10 people without mercy is fine, but it is the act of an insane man. Whereas capital punishment isn't.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18317341]What a ridiculous statement.
You cannot seriously think that this man was in a good mental state when he did this. He was recently divorced and desperate to see his children.
The difference between this and capital punishment is that the death penalty is cold, calculated and a violation of human rights which isn't justifiable.[/QUOTE]
Taking a life of another person on purpose is cold, calculated and a violation of human rights too.
We don't really need him anyway. It's death or jail, not much difference.
[QUOTE=Megan Fox;18317215]Because we are humans not animals.[/QUOTE]
Someone has failed taxonomy class.
[QUOTE=johanz;18317194]Tell me again, why do we need to inject some shit rather than just a bullet to the head?[/QUOTE]
Because a bullet to the head isn't humane. Lethal injection is. Don't bother arguing logic, laws have already been passed about this, eye for an eye isn't really needed here. So he shot people, he's going to burn in hell for eternity, so who cares how he goes out.
[QUOTE=rooky;18300121]Execution? It's a hypocritical, harsh way of dealing with problems.[/QUOTE]
hypocritical? Becuase killing 10 innocent people and killing one person who took 10 innocent people's lives is the same thing right?
[QUOTE=Megan Fox;18317215]Because we are humans not animals.[/QUOTE]
So we use medicine to kill them as opposed to war tools.
Yay for killing!
[QUOTE=johanz;18317376]Taking a life of another person on purpose is cold, calculated and a violation of human rights too.
We don't really need him anyway. It's death or jail, not much difference.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to dispute if it's a violation of human rights, but it isn't cold and calculated. As I said, this man was distressed and in desperation. In his insanity, he believed he could see his kids again by trying to kill his ex-wife to get custody.
[QUOTE=waffles17;18317523]hypocritical? Becuase killing 10 innocent people and killing one person who took 10 innocent people's lives is the same thing right?[/QUOTE]
he's saying you don't show murder is wrong by murdering more people
[QUOTE=waffles17;18317523]hypocritical? Becuase killing 10 innocent people and killing one person who took 10 innocent people's lives is the same thing right?[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, it's like, an 10 percent of an eye for an eye, so it's like we're just giving him a cataract or something.
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[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18317575]I'm not trying to dispute if it's a violation of human rights, but it isn't cold and calculated. As I said, this man was distressed and in desperation. In his insanity, he believed he could see his kids again by trying to kill his ex-wife to get custody.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe he just gets a hardon for shooting random people?
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18317585]Yeah man, it's like, an 10 percent of an eye for an eye, so it's like we're just giving him a cataract or something.
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Or maybe he just gets a hardon for shooting random people?[/QUOTE]
Then it's still a psychological problem.
[QUOTE=Athena;18317577]he's saying you don't show murder is wrong by murdering more people[/QUOTE]
Murder: The [B]unlawful [/B]killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
What I don't get is.. Who decided death is punishment? Being dead might be fan-fucking-tastic, nobody alive knows. We could be sending him off early to paradise. I say we keep them rotting in a jail cell until they die naturally, atleast that way we can make sure they have a shit time.
Supreme Court already ruled on this a while ago.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyph_DZa_GQ[/media]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18317633]Then it's still a psychological problem.[/QUOTE]
He's dangerous to society, do we REALLY need him? I bet victim's families are really sad already, but what if he and his psycho mind kills even more? Is it really worth it?
[QUOTE=Orsenfelt;18317651]What I don't get is.. Who decided death is punishment? Being dead might be fan-fucking-tastic, nobody alive knows. We could be sending him off early to paradise. I say we keep them rotting in a jail cell until they die naturally, atleast that way we can make sure they have a shit time.[/QUOTE]
This is way more brutal because it's like they're on some kind of prison colony planet in the future where they just have to fight for the rest of their lives.
I've always found it funny that people always worry so much about how criminals are treated and how comfortable they are when they're put to death.
Meanwhile, a good soldier who fights for his country and is basically just doing his job can die in so many painful horrific ways. Basically, if you kill when it's right, as in fighting opposing forces who are serving just as you: you get horrible treatment. Kill when you're a criminal and you just raped and murdered a 12 year old girl then you deserve good treatment and a painless and carefree death.
Something wrong there to me.
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