• Virginia set to execute 'DC sniper' tonight
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[QUOTE=faze;18300168]Why are people angry about a lunatic that killed ten people, including women and children, being put to death? You'd rather him sit in jail, and cost tax payers millions of dollars? The prison system is already over crowded, we need to put these idiots to death that go on shooting sprees rather than letting them take up space. If you're in prison with no chance of parole, you're kind of dead anyhow. Why not send them to hell where they belong.[/QUOTE] you are all 13 and completely retarded rapists are for more scary than a 19 year old drug addict who shot a store owner because he thought he had a gun [editline]06:17AM[/editline] [QUOTE=kikka;18450684]"Wah wah, let's not execute a person who kills a lot of innocent people, I want to waste my tax money on him :saddowns:"[/QUOTE] "hurr hurr hurr tax money should go towards the war we're fighting instead, because it's OK to just shoot at people there, none of this paperwork shit" I'm sure you'll have a witty rebuttal as to what exactly tax money should go to (Only the teenagers of facepunch can save the day!) and then you'll take it completely personally and defend yourself that's alright though, you're still wrong
[QUOTE=kikka;18450684]"Wah wah, let's not execute a person who kills a lot of innocent people, I want to waste my tax money on him :saddowns:"[/QUOTE] uhhh... your sarcasm is ironic seeing as you've allready got shitloads of murderes and rapists behind bars. and after that you insist on locking people up for years for petty crimes that most civil people just don't bother with. "this is how pisoners became a majority in America, mind how you go" unless you're a not-american.
I'm not American. [editline]11:19AM[/editline] [QUOTE=innerfire34;18450689] I'm sure you'll have a witty rebuttal as to what exactly tax money should go to (Only the teenagers of facepunch can save the day!) and then you'll take it completely personally and defend yourself that's alright though, you're still wrong[/QUOTE] I know where tax money SHOULDN'T go: keeping scum like him alive that people like you want to protect.
[QUOTE=kikka;18450703]I'm not American. [editline]11:19AM[/editline] I know where tax money SHOULDN'T go: keeping scum like him alive that people like you want to protect.[/QUOTE] Don't you or do you know where the money should go?
[QUOTE=innerfire34;18450714]Don't you or do you know where the money should go?[/QUOTE] No. It's not my business. That's for the government to decide. Why should I even have to? I don't live in America. Why are you even asking me about this? We're talking about whether the man should die or not, not about taxes. Do you expect there to be a goddamn rally outside the prison against executing him?
[QUOTE=johanz;18450584]Looks human to me. Doesn't look like he got paws or something?[/QUOTE] He looks like a monster to me.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18450842]He looks like a monster to me.[/QUOTE] He looks like a monster to everyone with morals.
Looks like human still. No red eyes, no claws. I don't see a monster.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;18446402]your supporting a murder of a human being like that fucking cunt. Ahh, people crying for someone to be murdered, brings me to the good memories of the dark ages.[/QUOTE] Hey, you're the one sporting the American flag avatar, the country in which this is acceptable. Capital punishment is banned here. [editline]06:49AM[/editline] [QUOTE=johanz;18450856]Looks like human still. No red eyes, no claws. I don't see a monster.[/QUOTE] Do you know what a metaphor is?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;18446402]your supporting a murder of a human being like that fucking cunt. Ahh, people crying for someone to be murdered, brings me to the good memories of the dark ages.[/QUOTE] Can you seriously not see the difference between killing innocent people and terrifying an entire metro area, and killing a murderer who received a fair trial?
[QUOTE=Ortzinator;18451442]Can you seriously not see the difference between killing innocent people and terrifying an entire metro area, and killing a murderer who received a fair trial?[/QUOTE] Of course not. He's a human being, goddamnit. He's the victim here.
Brb breaking into prison and freeing... Aw fuck. He's dead. Anyway, who else wonders what the fuck his last meal was?
[img]http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/091110-sniper-hmed-622p.h2.jpg[/img] [quote]Family members of convicted sniper John Allen Muhammad pray outside Greenville Correctional Center in Jarratt, Va., on Tuesday night.[/quote] Your prayers are futile! He's dead. And he was a mass murderer, so he'd most likely have gone to hell if it wasn't make believe. [quote]"He died very peacefully, [b][i]much more than most of his victims[/i][/b]," said Prince William County prosecutor Paul Ebert, who witnessed the execution at Greensville Correctional Center, south of Richmond.[/quote] Even his murder was better than what his victims received. It's like he went down for an afternoon nap, as opposed to being shot and bleeding out. [quote]Nelson Rivera, whose wife, Lori Ann Lewis-Rivera, was gunned down as she vacuumed her van at a Maryland gas station, said that when he watched Muhammad's chest moving for the last time, he was glad. "I feel better. I think I can breathe better," he said. "I'm glad he's gone because he's not going to hurt anyone else."[/quote] It brought some kind of closure or relief to family members. How could anyone deny them that after what they'll have to deal with for the rest of their lives? Any amount of "suffering" he would have endured in prison does not compare to the grief of a person who has had their loved one taken from them. And before you say, "Now his family will suffer over his death," that's too bad. He should have thought of them before he started picking people off.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18451555][img]http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/091110-sniper-hmed-622p.h2.jpg[/img] Your prayers are futile! He's dead. And he was a mass murderer, so he'd most likely have gone to hell if it wasn't make believe. Even his murder was better than what his victims received. It's like he went down for an afternoon nap, as opposed to being shot and bleeding out. It brought some kind of closure or relief to family members. How could anyone deny them that after what they'll have to deal with for the rest of their lives? Any amount of "suffering" he would have endured in prison does not compare to the grief of a person who has had their loved one taken from them. And before you say, "Now his family will suffer over his death," that's too bad. He should have thought of them before he started picking people off.[/QUOTE] get a hobby, goes for all of you. find something better to do than cursing a DEAD murderer. stay out of politics till you're 21. stay out of tax discussions untill you contribute. he was a murderer, but if you go kill someone at a bar or where ever you would. you'd be ruined if a whole country screamed for your hanging. america and most people here and anywhere in general seem to live in a mindset of the dark ages. death penalty is not the ONLY punishment for criminals and it's definetly more lenient that leaving them in a hole full of snakes or translated to modern day american, it's just harsher to throw him in the brig with the rest of the sick prison gangs. let him get stabbed a bit in there. if you believe in execution. start executing current prisoners, especially the sick prison gangs. you have no idea how many people in america lives behind bars. and it's all because of their medieval lawsystem. where i live you get 16 years in prison and if youre declared sane afterwards you get a chance to start anew, and it works. maybe it's because people overhere have a consience, i dunno. then if you're declared insane, you'll spend your live in a institution eating spoon-food. if i were ever to be directly responsible for someones death i'll be very grateful that i can bring my sincere apologies to any relatives after 16 years. i'd get messed up if i'd ever kill someone. i'd have to show truckloads of remorse to live with myself. the american system is shitty. it's "well you fucked up, you must be an asshole, there's no way you could be a normal guy who fucked up and are getting torn up by remorse and just wants to apologuise and make sure the relatives would never have to hear about you again". maybe it's by upbringing or the standard moral code of my country, but you sicken me. we can't generalize you, but you sure as fuck can generalize anyone else, your prisoners are all violent psycos, all muslims want to blow you up, aussies are *whatever they are* Canada is no real country, Denmark is socialist, france is arrogant, britain is pompous and by the way, You WON WW2. did i forget anything? yeah you're right i generalize in mean ways too, but you're in no position to ask ME to stop. /idiotic selfrighteous asshole, maybe even banworthy rant i am sorry. i only meant to stir the ones who partially or wholly fit these stereotypes, if you feel offended please tell someone who's on your side or in the same shoes as you. i will only care if you have a valid reason. OH SHIT, that contained a whole lot of america... too harsh too, sorry.
tl;dr: You have to make a movie before you can criticize one :jerkbag:
[QUOTE=Bomimo;18451831]get a hobby, goes for all of you. find something better to do than cursing a DEAD murderer. stay out of politics till you're 21. stay out of tax discussions untill you contribute. he was a murderer, but if you go kill someone at a bar or where ever you would. you'd be ruined if a whole country screamed for your hanging. america and most people here and anywhere in general seem to live in a mindset of the dark ages. death penalty is not the ONLY punishment for criminals and it's definetly more lenient that leaving them in a hole full of snakes or translated to modern day american, it's just harsher to throw him in the brig with the rest of the sick prison gangs. let him get stabbed a bit in there. if you believe in execution. start executing current prisoners, especially the sick prison gangs. you have no idea how many people in america lives behind bars. and it's all because of their medieval lawsystem. where i live you get 16 years in prison and if youre declared sane afterwards you get a chance to start anew, and it works. maybe it's because people overhere have a consience, i dunno. then if you're declared insane, you'll spend your live in a institution eating spoon-food. if i were ever to be directly responsible for someones death i'll be very grateful that i can bring my sincere apologies to any relatives after 16 years. i'd get messed up if i'd ever kill someone. i'd have to show truckloads of remorse to live with myself. the american system is shitty. it's "well you fucked up, you must be an asshole, there's no way you could be a normal guy who fucked up and are getting torn up by remorse and just wants to apologuise and make sure the relatives would never have to hear about you again". maybe it's by upbringing or the standard moral code of my country, but you sicken me. we can't generalize you, but you sure as fuck can generalize anyone else, your prisoners are all violent psycos, all muslims want to blow you up, aussies are *whatever they are* Canada is no real country, Denmark is socialist, france is arrogant, britain is pompous and by the way, You WON WW2. did i forget anything? yeah you're right i generalize in mean ways too, but you're in no position to ask ME to stop. /idiotic selfrighteous asshole, maybe even banworthy rant i am sorry. i only meant to stir the ones who partially or wholly fit these stereotypes, if you feel offended please tell someone who's on your side or in the same shoes as you. i will only care if you have a valid reason. OH SHIT, that contained a whole lot of america... too harsh too, sorry.[/QUOTE] I didn't read past the 21/taxes comment. I am/do. [quote]if i were ever to be directly responsible for someones death i'll be very grateful that i can bring my sincere apologies to any relatives after 16 years. i'd get messed up if i'd ever kill someone. i'd have to show truckloads of remorse to live with myself.[/quote] He didn't show any signs that he felt even an ounce of remorse. He didn't give the victims or the authorities the satisfaction of knowing why he did it. He was an emotionless, cold-hearted killer. I could see this argument working for someone who reacted and killed someone in second degree murder one time, but this guy purposefully picked off over a dozen individuals with a rifle. He [i]didn't make a mistake[/i], so I'm sure he never had any intention of apologising to the families. He got what he fucking deserved and now some lucky worms get a nice meal.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18452213]I didn't read past the 21/taxes comment. I am/do.[/QUOTE] just makes you more pathetic:banjo:
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;18452227]just makes you more pathetic:banjo:[/QUOTE] You people are fucking pathetic for showing a shred of mercy for that fucking piece of shit. I hate living in a world where a murderer gets more sympathy and is discussed more than multiple victims he assassinated for no good reason.
ITT: People support paying for murderers to stay in a nice comfy prison. Executions should be more frequent. They don't deserve to stay in a nice comfy cell for the rest of their lives. Their lives are expendable when they take the life of another. Unless they aren't sure if the convicted actually IS the actual killer. But I think in today's society, we don't execute unless we KNOW they did it. Right? ....Right?
This isn't a discussion about the DC sniper and whether or not his death was justified but whether the death penalty should be employed in this day and age.
[QUOTE=Ortzinator;18451442]Can you seriously not see the difference between killing innocent people and terrifying an entire metro area, and killing a murderer who received a fair trial?[/QUOTE] Fair trial lol. What it is is a bunch of people deciding that this person "deserves to die". Where the heck is the fairness there? I'm disgusted at how you guys fail to see that despite being a murderer, he's not the embodiment of evil. He's still a human being with human rights. [QUOTE=Dummkopf;18450853]He looks like a monster to everyone with morals.[/QUOTE] moral = let's kill him immoral = let's not kill him oh that makes sense
[QUOTE=Miigga;18452731]Fair trial lol. What it is is a bunch of people deciding that this person "deserves to die". Where the heck is the fairness there? I'm disgusted at how you guys fail to see that despite being a murderer, he's not the embodiment of evil. He's still a human being with human rights. moral = let's kill him immoral = let's not kill him oh that makes sense[/QUOTE] A bunch of people didn't decide he deserved to die, the judge did. The jury was presented with facts, deliberated, and came to a decision about his guilt unanimously. They didn't say they wanted him killed. Fuck his rights. He forfeited his rights when he took [i]more than just rights[/i] from, I have to mention yet again, over a dozen people. The only time I think a murderer should be off the hook is if it wasn't premeditated. Then they can rot in prison.
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;18452674]This isn't a discussion about the DC sniper and whether or not his death was justified but whether the death penalty should be employed in this day and age.[/QUOTE] this man saw the light, or he already knew it was there.
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;18452674]This isn't a discussion about the DC sniper and whether or not his death was justified but whether the death penalty should be employed in this day and age.[/QUOTE] Why should it not?
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18452213]I didn't read past the 21/taxes comment. I am/do.[/quote] you're a pathetic take on a grown up man with the rights to make decisions if you can't even read what you're swinging sledgehammers at. [quote]He didn't show any signs that he felt even an ounce of remorse. He didn't give the victims or the authorities the satisfaction of knowing why he did it. He was an emotionless, cold-hearted killer. I could see this argument working for someone who reacted and killed someone in second degree murder one time, but this guy purposefully picked off over a dozen individuals with a rifle. He [i]didn't make a mistake[/i], so I'm sure he never had any intention of apologising to the families. He got what he fucking deserved and now some lucky worms get a nice meal.[/QUOTE] never said he did show remorse, i read the article, thankyou. i also noticed how undebatably solid the evidence was. i wouldn't ever try to get him outta prison with such a case. but your take on this medieval kind of punishment really makes me doubt that you're a healthy grown up person at all. i'm 18 and i've come of age this year. i can vote and i'm expected to make decisions worthy of a grown up rational person. in no way, in my mind and moral code, is it ever acceptable to be a backseat executioner, which is what you're doing. this is just the same as contemplating murder and telling people about how much you wish to see x asshole dead. and that is not only bad carma but also looked down on in many mini societies. it's not acceptable with Free "sane and rational" grown ups why the hell should you then be allowed to gloat and demean a dead man because he was a criminal? what you're doing is hypocricy beyond any acceptable level, wake up and face the truth. at least tell me you don't believe in god, jesus or equality of man, cuz you just took a grand shit on all of those. at least some of us have more sence than being this respectless.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18453008]Why should it not?[/QUOTE] Do you think the justice system is infallible?
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18450143]He's not a human being in my eyes.[/QUOTE] You do not and probably never will belong in United States of America, where the founding fathers held into the ideas of higher natural laws and was against cruel & unusual punishment. Go to fucking Iran, where they are freely able to kill human beings much as they want. Don't bring your shit here, we're a first world civilization, and I want it to stay that way. I recommend you watch Bullshit!: Death Penalty.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;18453292]You do not and probably never will belong in United States of America, where the founding fathers held into the ideas of higher natural laws and was against cruel & unusual punishment. Go to fucking Iran, where they are freely able to kill human beings much as they want. Don't bring your shit here, we're a first world civilization, and I want it to stay that way. I recommend you watch Bullshit!: Death Penalty.[/QUOTE] BRAVO!!!, when one agree isn't enough...
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18450143]He's not a human being in my eyes.[/QUOTE] Good thing that you do not decide what is human and what is not. your status as a human being is irrevocable.
In my opinion, in this case an execution was valid. He willingly and knowingly took the lives of a dozen people in cold blood. Even though it is "medieval" to kill someone for their crimes; i think in this case if a man had murdered your family member with a hunting rifle whilst they were at the store; would you still say it was barbaric to execute him? I think everyone needs to take a firm reality check. If your dad or sister or brother went to the store and was shot dead there on the street, how would you feel? Tell me you wouldn't want to kill the guy responsible? Yes, you may say, surely we are as bad as a murderer, for we say "do not kill" but hypocritically we kill the ones who kill. Yes a paradox, but surely the only fitting punishment is an eye for an eye. How else do we punish those who murder an innocent person? Life in prison? What is the point, let them live in solitary confinement, to go insane, become lonely, effectively dead anyway. Save the inmate the pain, suffering and isolation, and execute him. Give the family of those murdered closure, and let them see justice is done. What else do you suggest?
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