[QUOTE=Malumbre;18497643]What does that say about America then?
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100 rapists and murderers. They committed 100 acts each or more against other people.[/QUOTE]
I was more asking the anti-death people. I was thinking they might chose the 1 innocent person since it would simply be less humans dying.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18497719]I was more asking the anti-death people. I was thinking they might chose the 1 innocent person since it would simply be less humans dying.[/QUOTE]
Less criminals too. I would never choose the life of a law-abiding, moral citizen or that of a complete scumbag rapist/killer. How can you even rationalise that?
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18497534]Since the anti-death penalty philosophy is based on all humans having equal and infinite value, I've got a question: Would you rather one 1 innocent person die, or 100 rapists and murderers?[/QUOTE]
I think you fucked up the question, chief.
[QUOTE=Athena;18497923]I think you fucked up the question, chief.[/QUOTE]
Question seems right to me. A lot of people think this way for some reason. I still don't understand how you look at 100 people who raped/murdered 100 people, then look at someone who was just minding their own business, and kill THAT guy because there's a majority of rapists/murderers.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18497888]Less criminals too. I would never choose the life of a law-abiding, moral citizen or that of a complete scumbag rapist/killer. How can you even rationalise that?[/QUOTE]
I don't, but I wanted to see how far their "a human is a human" philosophy extended.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18498031]I don't, but I wanted to see how far their "a human is a human" philosophy extended.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I see. Well, I think all those people have left the thread. I didn't mean you specifically by the way, just pro-lifers in general.
[QUOTE=Benf199105;18469728]Please can you explain why you think this is more of a deterrent than prison.
Let's not forget we only have punishments to act as deterrents, not because they are morally right or wrong.[/QUOTE]
The purpose of punishments that result in jail time aren't to deter people(that's just an indirect result), their purpose is to remove people from society for some length of time with the possibility of them being rehabilitated and released earlier.
[QUOTE=AlexH-;18492904]it [b]only[/b] costs more in special conditions when people take years to convict people in states that are very mixed about the death penalty. In a system where the death penalty was an acceptable punishment by all states, it would be almost half the cost. Damn bleeding heart liberals got their head up their ass.[/QUOTE]
I would hope any death penalty case would take years because you have to be as close to 100% sure as you can get. For someone to get sentenced jail time they only need to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed any criminal offence that bears a jail term and the defence has to be unable to produce counter evidence strong enough to exonerate them. That doesn't mean that such evidence doesn't exist, just that it wasn't found/shown in time, thus death sentences require practically all avenues of evidence to be expended which is what takes time I imagine.
[QUOTE=AlexH-;18492904]I bet if your mother and father where amongst the 10 this bastard killed, without thought, emotion, without any consideration, you'd be feeling a lot differently. If you don't act human, why should we treat you human?[/QUOTE]
Sure, if someone slaughtered my family I would probably want them dead. This doesn't mean I want my country to have the right to decide if they are worth killing or not, it's only in a few select circumstances that you should you get the right to kill someone. I've already said this but if someone's trying to kill you, or trying to kill someone else and killing them is the only option, then I have no issue with this. But in this case he was already in prison thus out of society and no longer a threat to anyone, thus from the outside there is no distinction between him living or dying(kind of like Schrödinger's cat). However, there is a difference between keeping him alive and killing him, killing him means you've ended his life for effectively no reason, the line between life sentence and death penalty is arbitrary and neither has any real effect on society. What if the DC Sniper wasn't killed? Instead he was transferred to some underground bunker where he's fed slop from a machine? You wouldn't know, because it doesn't make a difference.
Stop arguing, bastards dead.
So anyone who thinks he should have gotten a spank of the butt and sent to prison, I don't even know what to say, I completely agree with everything Malumbre has said. Anyone who goes out shoots a dozen of people, plans to attack and overthrow america(as a terrorist and a mass murderer) should be given the fucking death penalty, you should also know that even the most grisliest of murderers got prison time, you know why, 1. they didn't kill like 10 people, as a matter of fact it was usually one. 2. they didn't have a huge conspiracy or plan to overthrow a fucking country, they just killed someone probably because of anger, or some psychological shit.
These sick fucks, who mutilated, raped, brutally beat and killed innocent people got prison time. If your gonna have sympathy, don't have it for a fucking terrorist and mass murderer, just have for the criminally insane and extremely dangerous. Who get life in prison instead of death by lethal injection.
[B]Edit:[/B]Also your tax money goes to the guys who go to prison for life.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18497534]Since the anti-death penalty philosophy is based on all humans having equal and infinite value, I've got a question: Would you rather one 1 innocent person die, or 100 rapists and murderers?[/QUOTE]
Humans don't have equal and infinite value, but everyone is entitled to a life.
Seeing as it is the most basic human right there is.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18466244]Why do people always say this? I didn't kill him, I didn't sentence him, I had nothing to do with the proceedings, I'm not a family member, but I sympathise with the families, not this asshole. It's just my opinion.
Unless of course you're the DC Sniper, in which case you're merely prey. And before you read that the wrong way, I meant people are prey to him, not that he is.
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I don't want people to be freely able to kill human beings as they please. I simply feel that if you intentionally take several lives merely for pleasure, you forfeit your life.
I live in a first world nation, by the way. One that doesn't have one of the highest gun related death statistics in the world, thank you.[/QUOTE]
No.
He doesn't suddenly lose his status as a human being.
I don't think you quite understand the point of human rights.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18505446]No.
He doesn't suddenly lose his status as a human being.
I don't think you quite understand the point of human rights.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? At what point during that post did I mention anything about him being sub-human? I said he was a monster in another post, but nothing in the one you've quotted.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18508198]What are you talking about? At what point during that post did I mention anything about him being sub-human? I said he was a monster in another post, but nothing in the one you've quotted.[/QUOTE]
By calling people that he killed as "prey", you are referring to him as some form of hunting animal, and you are constantly referring to him as a monster, suggesting he is less than human.
And if you believe he is still human, then he still has human rights and thus an ultimate right to life.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18508410]By calling people that he killed as "prey", you are referring to him as some form of hunting animal, and you are constantly referring to him as a monster, suggesting he is less than human.
And if you believe he is still human, then he still has human rights and thus an ultimate right to life.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's just like, you know, your opinion, man.
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[QUOTE=Malumbre;18508856]Well, that's just like, you know, your opinion, man.
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Well, yes it's my opinion.
But it's also the opinion of Amnesty International, and most of the civilized world.
so when are they gonna execute the guy?
[QUOTE=TropicalV2;18508894]so when are they gonna execute the guy?[/QUOTE]
They already disposed of him thankfully.
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He's sub-human now. He's nothing more than worm food.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18508936]They already disposed of him thankfully.
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He's sub-human now. He's nothing more than worm food.[/QUOTE]
oh, and you're really badass for posting that? you're a waste of sperm.
[QUOTE=AlexH-;18492904]Thank you Malumbre, at least some people have a damn brain in their head. I'm convinced that lolwutdude is some scared 13 year old after reading is remarkably supererogatory response.
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it [b]only[/b] costs more in special conditions when people take years to convict people in states that are very mixed about the death penalty. In a system where the death penalty was an acceptable punishment by all states, it would be almost half the cost. Damn bleeding heart liberals got their head up their ass.
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so, to sum you up.... Money>people. amirite? if not, stop bulshitting.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;18509387]oh, and you're really badass for posting that? you're a waste of sperm.[/QUOTE]
Are you badass for posting this? I didn't kill 10 people, he did.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;18509387] you're a waste of sperm.
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WHAT THE FUCK? What kind of sentence is that? How can he be a "waste of sperm"?
I have an opinion about a scumbag mass murderer. That makes me a waste of sperm, man, come on.
He only dies once, but he can rot in jail till he dies.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18511521]I have an opinion about a scumbag mass murderer. That makes me a waste of sperm, man, come on.[/QUOTE]
It's not like you use sperm to live or something? Sperm's not a very valuable resource anyway.
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