[QUOTE=TH89;18300189]Not if you execute people who didn't do it, thereby permanently denying them the opportunity to be exonerated. Or if, out of people convicted of the same crimes, minorities are handed the death sentence far more frequently.
Plus by your logic "fair" would involve government-mandated rapings of rapists, torture, anything. Do you really want a government with the legal leg to stand on to do this kind of shit to its own citizens?[/QUOTE]
Well for the first point;- Obviously executions are the very last form of punishment, and I don't think they are dished out if there really is a chance of innocence.
For the second point;- Damn I never thought about that. I guess you're right.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18300215]You're seriously going to pull out the minority card this early in the thread? Could of waited a little bit more, I think.[/QUOTE]
Can I take that to mean you don't have an answer?
[QUOTE=Cheezy;18300196]
What right have society to decide who lives and who dies?[/QUOTE]
What right does one man have to decide that 10 lives don't deserve to live?
[QUOTE=Epidemick;18300232]Well for the first point;- Obviously executions are the very last form of punishment, and I don't think they are dished out if there really is a chance of innocence.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty[/url]
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[quote]Muhammad planned to use $10 million to create a utopian community for homeless people in Canada, at which young people would be trained to go launch additional attacks in the United States.[/quote]
yeah i think the dude was a bit curazy
[QUOTE=TH89;18300189]
Plus by your logic "fair" would involve government-mandated rapings of rapists, torture, anything. Do you really want a government with the legal leg to stand on to do this kind of shit to its own citizens?[/QUOTE]
We wouldn't have to take it that far. Just kill the killers and imprison the rest.
[QUOTE=OvB;18300265]We wouldn't have to take it that far. Just kill the killers and imprison the rest.[/QUOTE]
Why? What makes government-authorized murder different from government-authorized rape?
[QUOTE=Sh33p;18300002]Executions are mean. I mean really, like scary mean.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=OvB;18300239]What right does one man have to decide that 10 lives don't deserve to live?[/QUOTE]
It isn't a right, it's something which he is forcefully doing. I wonder how that killing spree would have went if you have had better gun control policies.
[QUOTE=TH89;18300251][url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty[/url]
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in that case disregard what I said
also, since we seem to be arguing about the death penalty now -- it's much worse to spend your life getting raped in jail and dying in a cold cell than being killed instantly.
[QUOTE=TH89;18300237]Can I take that to mean you don't have an answer?[/QUOTE]
I was just hoping that this thread would keep a "executions are good/bad" debate, and not turn into a race thing yet.
[QUOTE=TH89;18300275]Why?[/QUOTE]
Why not? Our prisons are over crowded. Plus it would send a point across that murder will not be tolerated and if you commit murder you [I]will[/I] be sentenced to death. They made the decided to kill someone, now they have to pay the price. Which should not be in a cell we could stick a rapist, or other criminal in where he has a slight chance to escape.
[QUOTE=Waals Vander;18300289]also, since we seem to be arguing about the death penalty now -- it's much worse to spend your life getting raped in jail and dying than being killed instantly.[/QUOTE]
Lethal Injection isnt instant. They put you under then give you a killer dose.
Regardless of his actions, just take a moment to think about where he is mentally right now.
He's counting down the hours.
[QUOTE=OvB;18300358]Why not? Our prisons are over crowded. Plus it would send a point across that murder will not be tolerated and if you commit murder you [I]will[/I] be sentenced to death. They made the decided to kill someone, now they have to pay the price. Which should not be in a cell we could stick a rapist, or other criminal in where he has a slight chance to escape.[/QUOTE]
Tell me the last time that a county or state put everyone on death row for simply killing someone. You cant.
Whenever i think of executions it reminds me of that scene in The Green Mile when that dude's getting the chair and the police dude didn't wet the sponge. Thinking about that shit makes me sickkk
[QUOTE=jordguitar;18300387]Tell me the last time that a county or state put everyone on death row for simply killing someone. You cant.[/QUOTE]
They don't. I'm saying if they did, it might change some potential murders minds who are afraid to die.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;18300101]No, sensibility that we are still technically doing eye for a eye type of punishment. Except its do horrible thing get sent to death row and executed. It is pointless and it would be better to keep them alive until they die. Or at least the ones who know what they have done and feel horrible about it. But the whole execution thing never got through to me in the way everyone else is going at it.[/QUOTE]
Or, instead of giving this cold blooded murderer a room to live in, with 3 meals a day, no telling how much that'll cost during his entire lifetime, we could spend 87 bucks now and be done with it
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18300351]I was just hoping that this thread would keep a "executions are good/bad" debate, and not turn into a race thing yet.[/QUOTE]
It's not turning into a "race thing" just because I pointed out it's applied disproportionately to minorities, anymore than it's turning into a "courts thing" because I pointed out there are wrongful convictions. You're just kneejerking.
[QUOTE=Binsky;18300396]Whenever i think of executions it reminds me of that scene in The Green Mile when that dude's getting the chair and the police dude didn't wet the sponge. Thinking about that shit makes me sickkk[/QUOTE]
I think of
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[QUOTE=jordguitar;18300359]Lethal Injection isnt instant. They put you under then give you a killer dose.[/QUOTE]
The first injection calms your nerves and numbs your body.
The second injection stops your breathing.
The third injection put's you into cardiac arrest.
[QUOTE=OvB;18300358]Why not? Our prisons are over crowded.[/QUOTE]
"It's crowded" doesn't strike me as a good reason to murder people.
[QUOTE=OvB;18300358]Plus it would send a point across that murder will not be tolerated and if you commit murder you [I]will[/I] be sentenced to death. They made the decided to kill someone, now they have to pay the price. Which should not be in a cell we could stick a rapist, or other criminal in where he has a slight chance to escape.[/QUOTE]
Plus it would send a point across that rape will not be tolerated and if you commit rape you [I]will[/I] be sentenced to rape. They made the decided to rape someone, now they have to pay the price.
You still haven't told me what the difference is.
[QUOTE=Cheezy;18300285]I wonder how that killing spree would have went if you have had better gun control policies.[/QUOTE]
10 people would have died.
A mass murder will get a gun regardless of laws. This man plans on killing as many people as he can, you think he would let some bullshit law get in his way of acquiring a firearm?
[QUOTE=TH89;18300477]"It's crowded" doesn't strike me as a good reason to murder people.
Plus it would send a point across that rape will not be tolerated and if you commit rape you [I]will[/I] be sentenced to rape. They made the decided to rape someone, now they have to pay the price.
You still haven't told me what the difference is.[/QUOTE]
The crowded comment isn't a justifier, murder is the justifying action that will get you a death sentence.
[QUOTE=TH89;18300477]"It's crowded" doesn't strike me as a good reason to murder people.
Plus it would send a point across that rape will not be tolerated and if you commit rape you [I]will[/I] be sentenced to rape. They made the decided to rape someone, now they have to pay the price.
You still haven't told me what the difference is.[/QUOTE]
I see were your going but that's irrelevant. That would not work for every offense. steal candy get candy stolen from you?
Executing someone for killing someone is different than raping a rapist because the person [I]dies[/I] hell for all we know a rapist might enjoy getting raped.
What would you do, TH89, with a man who's killed... say 15 people, and would slit a guards throat whenever he had the chance?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18300055]Ten people murdered for no reason at all, and you're angry at him being executed?[/QUOTE]
Keeping him alive untill he dies is cheaper than executing him.
[QUOTE=OvB;18300530]I see were your going but that's irrelevant. That would not work for every offense. steal candy get candy stolen from you?[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's because the "you did it now we do it to you" approach to justice is STUPID.
[QUOTE=OvB;18300530]Executing someone for killing someone is different than raping a rapist because the person [I]dies[/I] hell for all we know a rapist might enjoy getting raped.[/QUOTE]
So? Murderers might be suicidal. What's the difference?
[QUOTE=OvB;18300530]What would you do, TH89, with a man who's killed... say 15 people, and would slit a guards throat whenever he had the chance?[/QUOTE]
Lock him up in a secure facility.
[QUOTE=wewt!;18300536]Keeping him alive untill he dies is cheaper than executing him.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you're being sarcastic
[QUOTE=wewt!;18300536]Keeping him alive untill he dies is cheaper than executing him.[/QUOTE]
No, it's not. You're saying supporting his life for the next 30-40 years in prison is cheaper than injecting him with three drugs?
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