Whoever 'wins' the console war, PC is the real winner
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[QUOTE=Amiga OS;41151710]Because the HD4890 I used to have was still a more than capable card for its age, and the laptop I had with the X1100 was only out for a couple of years before windows 7 came along.
In fact the laptop shipped with a free update to Vista once it was available, the driver support for Vista was shitty too.
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Its pretty simple, Nvidia give me better support for longer, therefore I will continue to pay more for there gear and a better service.[/QUOTE]
I just realised how off my statement was, since I'm sitting here with a 5870 from 2009 in Windows 8.
[QUOTE=synthiac;41149472]No.[/QUOTE]
Good thing you wouldn't be needing a emulator then, but a wrapper.
Think alá WINE for Linux and OSX.
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[QUOTE=pebkac;41150086]The fuck are you talking about? They still make drivers for their older cards, they just get updated less often. Have you actually[I] tried [/I]using a 4 year old AMD card in Windows 8?
Everything from HD 2000 series and up is still fully supported: [URL]http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/legacy/Pages/legacy-radeonaiw-vista64.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE]
He was referring to anything else than Windows.
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[QUOTE=aydin690;41150269]Nintendo stopped making good stuff 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say they've stopped, but everything after the GameCube has been grossly disappointing for anyone who isn't [I]"casual"[/I] in some way
[QUOTE=Van-man;41151869]
He was referring to anything else than Windows.
[/quote] The trouble with AMD is their infrastructure for their drivers is really awesome (on Linux), the installer just installs a package (or can generate one if you'd rather do it yourself) that usually installs cleanly, but the driver itself is a bit pants.
[QUOTE=Van-man;41151869]I wouldn't say they've stopped, but everything after the GameCube has been grossly disappointing for anyone who isn't [I]"casual"[/I] in some way[/QUOTE]
I think the DS lineup has done fairly well. Is Pokemon for casuals? I don't remember.
[QUOTE=danharibo;41152386]I think the DS lineup has done fairly well. Is Pokemon for casuals? I don't remember.[/QUOTE]
Pokemon should've stopped after crystal or around that mark.
Now it's just reanimating a horse flogged to death.
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[QUOTE=danharibo;41152386]The trouble with AMD is their infrastructure for their drivers is really awesome (on Linux), the installer just installs a package (or can generate one if you'd rather do it yourself) that usually installs cleanly, [B]but the driver itself is a bit pants.[/B][/QUOTE]
"a bit" is a understatement.
If everything isn't just as it wants it to be, it has a tendency to fuck everything over.
I don't think we're actually going to see more PC ports because of the common architecture. It's always been more about marketing, exclusivity deals and executive's fears of piracy than actual technical issues.
[QUOTE=Van-man;41152411]Pokemon should've stopped after crystal or around that mark.
Now it's just reanimating a horse flogged to death.[/quote] I stopped playing at Yellow so IDK what all this new stuff is about.
[QUOTE=Van-man;41152411]"a bit" is a understatement.
If everything isn't just as it wants it to be, it has a tendency to fuck everything over.[/QUOTE]
I've been lucky in that regard, I've only come up against it's shittyness when I'm trying to either run more than 2 screens (which is impossible as far as I can tell) or trying to use AMD's CodeXL where the driver just crashes as soon as I hit run.
[QUOTE=Juniez;41151636]as someone with a 660ti, I'd rather get a PS4 instead of upgrading my GPU - it's about the same price and the PS4 gives me way more
dang dude! did ur main get permabanned already[/QUOTE]
Why would you need to upgrade from a 660ti any time soon? if you're having performance issues that's not what's causing it.
[quote]But now that the Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and PC all share the same x86 architecture, it could be much easier to port games between PCs and next-gen consoles.[/quote]
I doubt processor architecture matters a lot. Operating system APIs and console hardware optimisation seem a lot more important.
Though the latter may get simpler because the Xbox One and the PS4 really aren't that different hardware-wise.
le pc le master le race lel
[QUOTE=meppers;41144910]Nvidia is doomed[/QUOTE]
Nvidia could completely stop making geforce cards and be absolutely fine.
[QUOTE=Christarp2;41149625]pc games suck u buy a console for $400 and it lasts like 7 years and games on pc dont even look better than them i feel bad for people that buy a single video card for more than the cost of a console LMAO[/QUOTE]
We can debate endlessly on whether or not the cost of a mid-high end gaming PC is worth it in the end, but let's not exaggerate. With the exception of some tremendously bad ports, the PC version of a game is always going to look better, if not substantially so. Just compare Skyrim with a few good mods to its console brothers; no contest.
Whether or not it's worth the extra cash to achieve that is entirely up to you. I personally like both PC and consoles since they both provide great experiences in their own way.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41152807]We can debate endlessly on whether or not the cost of a mid-high end gaming PC is worth it in the end, but let's not exaggerate. With the exception of some tremendously bad ports, the PC version of a game is always going to look better, if not substantially so. Just compare Skyrim with a few good mods to its console brothers; no contest.
Whether or not it's worth the extra cash to achieve that is entirely up to you. I personally like both PC and consoles since they both provide great experiences in their own way.[/QUOTE]
or skyrim vanilla
[QUOTE=J!NX;41152814]or skyrim vanilla[/QUOTE]
Agreed, though I always considered mods to be an integral part of PC gaming (when the option is available anyway).
Maybe consoles would be competition if you could have mods on them like on pcs.
If the PC is the master race then why do they have to beg for console ports?
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41152807]We can debate endlessly on whether or not the cost of a mid-high end gaming PC is worth it in the end, but let's not exaggerate. With the exception of some tremendously bad ports, the PC version of a game is always going to look better, if not substantially so. Just compare Skyrim with a few good mods to its console brothers; no contest.
Whether or not it's worth the extra cash to achieve that is entirely up to you. I personally like both PC and consoles since they both provide great experiences in their own way.[/QUOTE]
You know you're replying to a complete joke post, right?
[QUOTE=Kegan;41150730]The PC "master race" thing was originally a joke that was taken a little too seriously and then kinda blew outta proportion.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I have ever seen it used seriously, just people getting really worked up over people using it period
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[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;41151811]Just sayin'. I get how PC gaming is great, but the whole "master race" thing needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
case in point
[QUOTE=Juniez;41151636]as someone with a 660ti, I'd rather get a PS4 instead of upgrading my GPU - it's about the same price and the PS4 gives me way more
dang dude! did ur main get permabanned already[/QUOTE]
If you built a competent system, your 660 ti is more than enough to leave the PS4 in the dust.
[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;41148656]With the new cpu architectures being the same that PCs use, wouldn't that make emulating games a hell of a lot easier?[/QUOTE]
Possibly - though it's probably mostly a difference of how stuff accesses the hardware. Keep in mind though, that (while not emulating) porting games to the PC was not a problem from a code standpoint, or at least not much.
A huge load of games use middleware like unreal where recompiling to target a PC is pretty much a press of a button.
The big issues are controls, cameras and a lot of things where the PC and a PC centric aproach has big differences, and all of these issues still remain.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;41155854]Possibly - though it's probably mostly a difference of how stuff accesses the hardware. Keep in mind though, that (while not emulating) porting games to the PC was not a problem from a code standpoint, or at least not much.
A huge load of games use middleware like unreal where recompiling to target a PC is pretty much a press of a button.
The big issues are controls, cameras and a lot of things where the PC and a PC centric aproach has big differences, and all of these issues still remain.[/QUOTE]
controls aren't an issue because of how popular gamepad support has become. Every other PC gamer these days seems to wanna do gamepad for nearly every game minus FPS and RTS
[QUOTE=download;41145135]Personally I'm hoping all this console war bullshit will make people go for PC[/QUOTE]
I got a friend who decided to get a gaming PC back when the Xbone was awful.
So that's at least one person :v:
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[QUOTE=Kegan;41150294]Man I loved playing Red Dead Redemption on PC.
Oh wait.[/QUOTE]
I loved playing Gears of War on the PS3
I loved playing The Last of Us on the 360.
Exclusivity is something which effects all platforms, not just the PC.
[QUOTE=synthiac;41153532]You don't just wrap an entire platform.
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Do I have to remind people that the Xbox also used an x86 CPU and that people attempted to make emulators/wrappers that have made almost no progress in over a decade?[/QUOTE]
this, so much this.
you guys are forgetting that these consoles will STILL have proprietary hardware in them that we'll need to reverse engineer. the processor isn't the only thing you have to worry about when it comes to emulating. hell, it's one of the easier parts of it.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;41155875]controls aren't an issue because of how popular gamepad support has become. Every other PC gamer these days seems to wanna do gamepad for nearly every game minus FPS and RTS[/QUOTE]
Sure, but you need to also include mouse and keyboard support for those that don't want to use gamepads. And it ought to be at least relatively good.
i personally think nes is making a come back
I don't understand. I don't understand why PC users look down on console gamers - For one thing, I don't know a single person who could afford a great PC who continued to say consoles were better. Seems more of an economic class division.
[QUOTE=synthiac;41150030]But PC has games.[/QUOTE]
I really hate to be that guy but..
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All of these games are exclusive to Nintendo platforms.
It's not really fair to say that they don't have games. especially when the Wii U has only been out for under a year
Say what you will about how these games might not interest you, but all of the currently released games have been very good, and the upcoming ones also look very promising as well.
And I probably forgot a bunch of 3DS exclusives.
[QUOTE=archangel125;41156610]I don't understand. I don't understand why PC users look down on console gamers - For one thing, I don't know a single person who could afford a great PC who continued to say consoles were better. Seems more of an economic class division.[/QUOTE]
mostly it's the fact that you can't aim worth a damn with a controller imho.
[QUOTE=archangel125;41156610]I don't understand. I don't understand why PC users look down on console gamers - For one thing, I don't know a single person who could afford a great PC who continued to say consoles were better. Seems more of an economic class division.[/QUOTE] I have a few computer games I play from time to time, but I mostly game on Xbox. I hate the PC crowd.
I wonder if all this funding to AMD will make them bring more AMD exclusive technologies to next-gen games like we've seen from nvidia with advanced physx and their company-locked antialiasing shit.
I'll be pretty sad if my $1000 blowjob machine just can't do certain things because partnerships.
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