• Paul Ryan under fire after fact-checkers tear apart his convention speech
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;37474436]Can you source this please? I was under the impression that this was the radio wing of Conservative punditry, I.E. Rush Limbaugh and friends that always talked about liberal conspiracy and the "mainstream media". My dad watches a fair bit of Fox and I haven't seen a lot of it, although I think O'Reilly might have mentioned the "mainstream media" a couple times before. It seems like Fox is more professional about their propaganda and let the other guys talk about the conspiracies.[/QUOTE] i don't mean a literal conspiracy where liberals gather in a darkened room, put on velvet robes and plot for the destruction of the GOP, i mean constantly talking about the mainstream media and trying to make it seem as though conservative voters are somehow underdogs being persecuted by an orchestrated effort of the left wing
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37474761]i don't mean a literal conspiracy where liberals gather in a darkened room, put on velvet robes and plot for the destruction of the GOP, i mean constantly talking about the mainstream media and trying to make it seem as though conservative voters are somehow underdogs being persecuted by an orchestrated effort of the left wing[/QUOTE] Well that explains my confusion, since people like Rush Limbaugh and Medved actively talk about conspiracies and imply conspiracy. When you talk about "liberal conspiracy" it can be confusing since Fox implies the conservatives are underdogs where other guys talk about active oppression and suppression of conservatism.
[QUOTE=dookster;37473907]I know nothing of American Politics, but am I correct in posting this? [IMG]http://deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sideshowbobroberts7_thumb.png?w=512&h=384[/IMG][/QUOTE] You're spot on. I was watching his speech last night, no, actually it was the entire convention. Everyone up there was just saying "We're going to fix this! Obama messed it up! But now it's time for America's come back! We'll do it!" Without even saying how and everybody just kept applauding.
Quoting another FP user: As an impartial observer, american politics look like a hundred retards trying to drown eachother in a pool of shit
[QUOTE=mfb412;37474943]Quoting another FP user: As an impartial observer, american politics look like a hundred retards trying to drown eachother in a pool of shit[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that all politics were like this.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;37474882]You're spot on. I was watching his speech last night, no, actually it was the entire convention. Everyone up there was just saying "We're going to fix this! Obama messed it up! But now it's time for America's come back! We'll do it!" Without even saying how and everybody just kept applauding.[/QUOTE] That's because it's a circlejerk of conservatives. [B]It's a convention, not a program to win voters.[/B]
I'm sorry, but I must OBJECT! [quote]The vice-presidential hopeful was also accused of misleading his audience over the timing of the closure of a GM plant in his home town of Janesville, Wisconsin. That statement earned Mr Ryan a "false" rating from PolitiFact.com, having failed to note that the plant closed under the previous administration of President George W Bush.[/quote] [quote][quote] RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan’s hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. “A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: `I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.” THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants – though not the Janesville facility – to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.[/quote] Actually, those “facts” aren’t quite accurate, either. As the [URL="http://www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html"]Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel[/URL] reported in September of last year — long before Ryan got added to the ticket — the Janesville plant got shut down in 2009, after being notified of their pending closure in December 2008: [quote] General Motors Co. has committed to reopen its idled plant in Spring Hill, Tenn., and keep its shuttered assembly plant in Janesville on standby status. The commitment to the former Saturn plant in Tennessee was part of a contract settlement reached late last week between GM and the United Auto Workers union. Since they were shut down in 2009, both the Janesville and Tennessee plants have been on standby status, meaning they were not producing vehicles, but they were not completely shut down. … The Janesville plant stopped production of SUVs in 2008 and was idled in 2009 after it completed production of medium-duty trucks. Remaining on standby means not much has changed in Janesville. Community leaders say they would be ready if the GM plant reopened, but no one seems to be counting on that.[/quote][/quote] [url]http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/[/url] (first sub quote: [url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CVN_GOP_CONVENTION_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-30-00-20-34[/url]) oh, and I have another article that rebutts the other points. [url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech[/url]
[QUOTE=Glaber;37475122]I'm sorry, but I must OBJECT! [url]http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/[/url] (first sub quote: [url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CVN_GOP_CONVENTION_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-30-00-20-34[/url]) oh, and I have another article that rebutts the other points. [url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech[/url][/QUOTE] Oh, it's Glaber. I wonder what he has to add to this debate.
[QUOTE=Glaber;37475122] oh, and I have another article that rebutts the other points. [URL]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech[/URL][/QUOTE] You know you've got a great source on your hands when the page loads and is immediately covered by an ad for a book by Ann Coulter
[QUOTE=rilez;37475214]You know you've got a great source on your hands when the page loads and is immediately covered by an ad for a book by Ann Coulter[/QUOTE] Really? I never saw it, though that's probably due to ad block pro. Still, close the ad and read. If you want, you can even check their sources.
[QUOTE=Glaber;37475122]I'm sorry, but I must OBJECT! [url]http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/[/url] (first sub quote: [url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CVN_GOP_CONVENTION_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-30-00-20-34[/url]) oh, and I have another article that rebutts the other points. [url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech[/url][/QUOTE] Heritage Foundation's attempt at a news site which uses itself as a citation half the time is supposed to be your smoking gun here are you honestly just a bad person with stupid opinions or are you the most dedicated SH troll there has ever been
Actually, it's their sources and sub sources, that aren't themselves, that provide the smoking guns. for example: [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/16/fact-checking-the-obama-campaigns-defense-of-its-716-billion-cut-to-medicare/"]Forbes on the medicare cuts[/URL], [URL="http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/feb/19/gm-plant-last-day-finalized/"]GazetteXtra.com on the GM plant closure[/URL], Plus here's an interview with Obama where he admits to cutting Medicare to fund his program: [video=youtube;t5Ha7RNpn24]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Ha7RNpn24[/video] Plus we have a cbs video that shows the plant closed in 2009:[video=youtube;56h1gobtkIo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56h1gobtkIo[/video] Oh, and last I knew, trolls don't provide sources or proof.
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/[/url] The author of this piece, Fox News' Sally Kohn, rips Paul Ryan a new one for being a liar. Granted, she's Fox's resident liberal. . .but the lady's got balls of steel, and my respect.
B-b-b-but Obama made a grammatical mistake during his Reddit interview! The Democratic party is clearly far worse!
[quote]"The demand for our leadership in the world has never been greater," the senator said. "People don't want less of America. They want more."[/quote] I'm pretty sure sure all the world has to say about about this would be something like "no, fuck off".
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;37475697]I'm pretty sure sure all the world has to say about about this would be something like "no, fuck off".[/QUOTE] Have fun in your world without the Internet, Flashlights, Personal Computers, Safety Razors, Digital Cameras, Jeans, Computer Mice (and optical mice), Microsoft Windows, Microprocessors, Telephones, Nylon, and Video Game Consoles. Also enjoy your Axis conquering of Russia and the British Empire, and likely complete world domination by the Axis forces. Honestly, how about [b]you[/b] fuck off. For every annoying and dumb thing 'Murrica has done, they've, [i]despite popular opinion[/i], got several invaluable things to back them up.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;37473904]Oh god, if only... The only people that care he lied are Democrats. Republicans watch Fox, and Fox spends all day and all night telling people that every other source of information on the entire planet except for Fox is part of a liberal conspiracy. People that vote for Romney/Ryan will never see or hear anything to suggest that Ryan's speech contained anything but absolute truth. They live in a completely different reality independent from any meddling little "facts".[/QUOTE] there was a fox op-ed that called him out as a liar
[QUOTE=koeniginator;37476046]Have fun in your world without the Internet, Flashlights, Personal Computers, Safety Razors, Digital Cameras, Jeans, Computer Mice (and optical mice), Microsoft Windows, Microprocessors, Telephones, Nylon, and Video Game Consoles. Also enjoy your Axis conquering of Russia and the British Empire, and likely complete world domination by the Axis forces. Honestly, how about [b]you[/b] fuck off. For every annoying and dumb thing 'Murrica has done, they've, [i]despite popular opinion[/i], got several invaluable things to back them up.[/QUOTE] "Leadership over the world", that's what I was criticizing. I never said they haven't done good things in history, they did as much as a lot of other countries in the world. And honestly, America is pretty much responsible for the shit we're deep in right now economy-wise.
[QUOTE=Glaber;37475122]I'm sorry, but I must OBJECT! [url]http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/[/url] (first sub quote: [url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CVN_GOP_CONVENTION_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-30-00-20-34[/url]) oh, and I have another article that rebutts the other points. [url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/30/obama_camp_melts_down_over_ryans_speech[/url][/QUOTE] You can't really blame the GM plant closure on obama when it's fate was sealed before he came into office.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37473938]"hi I've never watched fox news I'm just going to assume that every little hyperbole facepunch tells me is true" yeah fox news isn't the most reliable source around (and that's coming from a very conservative person) but they aren't anywhere near that bad.[/QUOTE] "just because facepunch says it is bad it isn't that bad cause I am [B][I][U]~~SPECIAL~~[/U][/I][/B]"
[QUOTE=Lambeth;37476194]You can't really blame the GM plant closure on obama when it's fate was sealed before he came into office.[/QUOTE] It's sorta shitty to make a promise to people you can't keep, especially when it's regarding the livelihood of a bunch of people.
[QUOTE=dookster;37473907]I know nothing of American Politics, but am I correct in posting this? [IMG]http://deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sideshowbobroberts7_thumb.png?w=512&h=384[/IMG][/QUOTE] More like Tampa right now. They've closed down all the raised roads in the city because they're paranoid that someone will park up there and begin shooting everyone. Traffic is fucking horrible. People that live in the apartments in Tampa need to go through an identity check when they come home, so people coming home from work at 5 o'clock have to wait in line for an hour. They've blocked off roads (at random), so restaurants are getting almost no business because people have to walk around all the blocked off area.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37476216]It's sorta shitty to make a promise to people you can't keep, especially when it's regarding the livelihood of a bunch of people.[/QUOTE] He didn't promise to keep it open.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;37476046]Have fun in your world without the Internet, Flashlights, Personal Computers, Safety Razors, Digital Cameras, Jeans, Computer Mice (and optical mice), Microsoft Windows, Microprocessors, Telephones, Nylon, and Video Game Consoles. Also enjoy your Axis conquering of Russia and the British Empire, and likely complete world domination by the Axis forces. Honestly, how about [b]you[/b] fuck off. For every annoying and dumb thing 'Murrica has done, they've, [i]despite popular opinion[/i], got several invaluable things to back them up.[/QUOTE] is this a joke post or do you seriously not get the difference between american imperialism and our corporate inventiveness
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37476216]It's sorta shitty to make a promise to people you can't keep, especially when it's regarding the livelihood of a bunch of people.[/QUOTE] GM was crumbling, it's a miracle [I]anyone[/I] in the company kept their jobs after a decade of shitty management (I know, let's make six of the exact same car with different badges! And then buy SAAB and water them down!)
[QUOTE=koeniginator;37476046]Also enjoy your Axis conquering of Russia and the British Empire, and likely complete world domination by the Axis forces. [/QUOTE] I take offense to the idea that america saved the world in world war 2. You're wrong. completely and utterly wrong. [editline]30th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Saber15;37476316]GM was crumbling, it's a miracle [I]anyone[/I] in the company kept their jobs after a decade of shitty management (I know, let's make six of the exact same car with different badges! And then buy SAAB and water them down!)[/QUOTE] It was much longer than a decade.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;37476046]Have fun in your world without the [B]Internet[/B], Flashlights, Personal Computers, Safety Razors, Digital Cameras, Jeans, Computer Mice (and optical mice), Microsoft Windows, Microprocessors, [B]Telephones[/B], Nylon, and Video Game Consoles. Also enjoy your Axis conquering of Russia and the British Empire, and likely complete world domination by the Axis forces. Honestly, how about [b]you[/b] fuck off. For every annoying and dumb thing 'Murrica has done, they've, [i]despite popular opinion[/i], got several invaluable things to back them up.[/QUOTE] Take your american exceptionalism elsewhere, yes you have an impact in the world, but you're not the centre of it. Bolded where not made by the americans, no matter how much you may think so. America also didn't somehow pull WW2 out of it's ass saving everyone else from the big bad axis. No, that's not history.
lmao i love the idea that without America history would be the same but without America to save everyone
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37476295]is this a joke post or do you seriously not get the difference between american imperialism and our corporate inventiveness[/QUOTE] You couldn't have had one without the other. [QUOTE=Lambeth;37476329]I take offense to the idea that america saved the world in world war 2. You're wrong. completely and utterly wrong.[/QUOTE] The allies were practically on their last legs prior to American intervention, and the Soviet Union wouldn't have stood a chance managing multiple fronts alone. (Even if the Soviets successfully retaliated and defeated the Axis alone, they had their own communist agenda, which wasn't all that much better than the Nazis' according to public opinion at the time) [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37476755]Take your american exceptionalism elsewhere, yes you have an impact in the world, but you're not the centre of it. Bolded where not made by the americans, no matter how much you may think so. America also didn't somehow pull WW2 out of it's ass saving everyone else from the big bad axis. No, that's not history. [/QUOTE] Holy fuck stop assuming shit. We're not the center of the world, and I never claimed that we were. Countless other countries have made invaluable impacts to the world just as much as the US has. I am well aware United States would likely not have made it if not for the Soviet Union's involvement at the time and the Allies' original attempts at holding back the Axis. We didn't beat the Axis alone but the original allies didn't either. Also if you really want to start an argument about who is responsible for the internet and telephones, see [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Internet/archive1#Creation_Myths]this[/url], where you can see professionals arguing about this as opposed to random guys on the internet. For telephones, see [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_telephone]here.[/url] [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lazor;37477105]lmao i love the idea that without America history would be the same but without America to save everyone[/QUOTE] lmao i wish you would stop posting
[QUOTE=koeniginator;37477328] The allies were practically on their last legs prior to American intervention, and the Soviet Union wouldn't have stood a chance managing multiple fronts alone. (Even if the Soviets successfully retaliated and defeated the Axis alone, they had their own communist agenda, which wasn't all that much better than the Nazis' according to public opinion at the time) [/QUOTE] You have my admiration and my pity for writing one of the dumbest things I've ever read. But you're kidding, right? Please, god, tell me you're kidding. If you look on a timeline that heavily focuses on American involvement, there is nothing particularly notable that shows up besides Germany starting things off by invading Poland in '39 and Japan signing the Pact of Steel treaty in '40. Then the good old stars 'n stripes gear up to save the world the day after Pearl Harbor in '41. There's quite a bit of missing content here on this timeline that I assume you never learned in highschool. April, 1940, Germany invades Denmark and Norway. May 10th, Germany takes Belgium, France, and some other places. Later Italy invades France and France surrenders in about a week (I think, somebody check me on that)France gets split occupation zones. Then the Battle of Britain happens. Germany realizes that bombing the brits doesn't do as much for you as invading would, especially when the RAF is wrecking your shit. Bombing stops early '41. People fight in boats for a bit, then the Tripartite pact creates what is known as the Axis. Around Midway and Guadalcanal, we Americans got a bit more important. With the fighting in Europe, somebody had to go fight in the Pacific. (Not to say that the Aussies didn't help. Guys were damn useful and protected their own.) Now at this point you may be thinking, "But Muffin, D-Day wasn't until '44! I thought that the U.S was fighting in Europe and saving the day right after Pearl Harbor!" Well thing is, from '42 to '43, there was a particular focus on Sicily, the Pacific, Attu/Kiska, and North Africa. The big things that Americans place as feats of the US of A and only the US of A, tend to be liberating France and invading Normandy. That's pretty dumb. Come D-Day there was quite a crew of soldiers. Americans, Brits, Frenchies, Canadians, etc. Americans tend to forget to credit the other forces fighting at the Battle of the Bulge and whatnot. Generally the timeline for an American that doesn't know much about history is this: Pearl Harbor, D-Day, dumb assumption that America bails out western Europe all by its lonesome, Russians did something, U.S 3rd army crossing the Rhine, nukes get dropped on Japan, game over. [B]TL;DR[/B] : I wrote a lot because your words annoy me. U.S was important, but we didn't save Europe and the whole war. That's horseshit. More importantly, your mention of the Germans taking over Russia is hilarious. The Germans tried to fight during the winter with borked supply lines. They were already retreating around the time the western front got all fighty. Apologies for the page stretch everyone. I come from a family of history majors, so when something does set me off I tend to rant.
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