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[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37506351]Look you are pretty right but if America did not do anything than Europe would be speaking Russian or German depending on which alternate history you like more.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the US really stopped the Russians from taking over Europe Don't you guys remember the Russian-American war where the Europeans were on their knees begging for uncle Sam to save them [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] also, WW2 was America versus the Japanese, Italians and Germans. China, Russia, the UK and France had nothing to do with anything. History, brought to you by PinkPanzer. Remember to buy PinkPanzer's specialised American flag dildo for only 20 AMERICAN dollars. [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] None of that COMMUNIST pound sterling or euro shit [IMG]http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0406/flagImage2.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37506351]Look you are pretty right but if America did not do anything than Europe would be speaking Russian or German depending on which alternate history you like more.[/QUOTE] are you really gonna just ignore his massive post and reassert your hoorah opinion without addressing any of the historical facts he presented that point out america didn't swoop in and save the earth
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;37484814]the forum is definitely left-leaning I also visit BF2s forums (though it's nearly dead) and that's a right-leaning forum the difference is palpable If you went to AR15.com's politics section you'd get the impression that they like to worship republicans. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_1/137_Politics_andamp__Activism.html[/url] have fun.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/11gOE[/img] jesus christ
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37506749]are you really gonna just ignore his massive post and reassert your hoorah opinion without addressing any of the historical facts he presented that point out america didn't swoop in and save the earth[/QUOTE] I never said that, I said if America never moved in than Russia probably would have taken much more than east Germany. Thanks for completely twisting my words. There is an old saying, "America's biggest purpose in the war was to give the Germans some one to surrender to."
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37507199]I never said that, I said if America never moved in than Russia probably would have taken much more than east Germany. Thanks for completely twisting my words. There is an old saying, "America's biggest purpose in the war was to give the Germans some one to surrender to."[/QUOTE] Do you actually have anything to back that up? Because it just sounds like a load of jingoism filled bullshit. [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] And that saying is stupid
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37507417]Do you actually have anything to back that up? Because it just sounds like a load of jingoism filled bullshit. [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] And that saying is stupid[/QUOTE] Jingonism filled bull shit? Holy fucking hell are you so admamant in despising the US that you think that if they did not do anything there would be no negative impact at all.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37507961]Jingonism filled bull shit? Holy fucking hell are you so admamant in despising the US that you think that if they did not do anything there would be no negative impact at all.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between discussing the aid the US had during WW2 (not the cold war) then what you're doing, which is completely making the US as complete and total saviours. Mind you, while ignoring a huge post that proved you otherwise. You just decided to ignore that and give us your opinion as to why the US' dick is so much larger and better then everyone else. [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] This has nothing to do with me disliking the US as it has more to do with you overemphasising the US' role in the world in a desperate attempt to maintain this saviour status.
While the European Front could have been won without US military intervention (the supplies were necessary though), the Pacific Front would have most likely been lost. The Japanese humiliated the Dutch, British, and Australians at Singapore as well as Burma and it was clear that, due to the lack of supplies and forces as a result of the focus on Europe, the Allies were very much overmatched. The attack on Pearl Harbor, while initially deemed a success by the Japanese, was in fact a failure. Yes the Japanese damaged a good bit of ships but they failed to destroy the American carriers as those carriers were out at sea at the time. Due to the survival of those carriers the American Navy already had a considerable amount of strength, though still not quite enough to defeat the Japanese. The turning point of the war was most certainly Wake Island, in which the US Navy got the jump on the Japanese after intercepting a signal that told of an attack on Wake. The US prepared for said attack and severely crippled the Japanese in the ensuing battle. From that point on the US pressed forward until the two nuclear detonations on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Now, none of you argue the necessity of the nuclear detonations. I don't feel like getting into a prolonged debate about it.
Yeah the US has been a huge influence on 20th century history, but it's not like the US is Jesus or something.
Really, Politicians are just professional liars
[QUOTE=person11;37516291]Yeah the US has been a huge influence on 20th century history, but it's not like the US is Jesus or something.[/QUOTE] Certainly not, no nation can be referred to as a perfect nation. Every one of them has their flaws in one way or another.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37507199]I never said that, I said if America never moved in than Russia probably would have taken much more than east Germany. Thanks for completely twisting my words. [/QUOTE] Let me explain this the easy way. Hitler had to deal with a war on two fronts. The Russians were pushing back towards Germany from the east and with the success of D-Day a stable western front was born. There is no way Hitler could have won in this situation. We'll never know what the outcome would have been if the U.S wasn't involved, though my guess would be that the entirety of Russia pissed off on one side of Europe would leave the other open for the rest of the Allies to coordinate with various resistance groups and fuck shit up. As for your notion that Russia would have taken more than East Germany, well, thing is, they did. For Example: The Soviets grabbed Romania, Poland, Albania, Hungary,the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin, and Czechoslovakia. They didn't take East Germany either, the big three decided that Russia should watch the area at Potsdam. If you really want to argue this point, I'd recommend you read the full version of NSC-68, base outlines of the Korean War/Vietnam War, and an evaluation on the failed history of the American practice of "containment" abroad. [QUOTE=Mr. Face;37516116] Now, none of you argue the necessity of the nuclear detonations. I don't feel like getting into a prolonged debate about it.[/QUOTE] I could very easily argue that the nuclear attacks were unnecessary. Rather than copy/pasting one of my papers, I'll post this piece that focuses on the translation aspect. "The story of how an ill-chosen translation of the Japanese word mohusatsa led to the United States decision to drop the world's first atomic bomb on Hiroshima" [URL]http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/tech_journals/mokusatsu.pdf[/URL]
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