• Surge in Satanism sparks rise in demand for exorcists, says Catholic Church
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;29029439]That doesn't really say anything about your views on contemporary matters. (Environment, education, healthcare, military, taxes) And to me, therein lies the problem with Satanism. It's intentionally vague to the point that it doesn't [i]want[/i] to be taken seriously. I don't really disagree with it overall but it's goofy and makes no attempt not to be.[/QUOTE] It's a pseudo-religion that worships selfishness. They're basically just Objectivists who like shopping in Hot Topic.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29029439]That doesn't really say anything about your views on contemporary matters. (Environment, education, healthcare, military, taxes) [/QUOTE] Neither does Bhuddism. It's more of a philosophy than it is a religion. I looked into Satanism when I was younger, and I think the goofiness is just attributed to it being a direct result of the rejection of religion itself, ie. "Church of Satan".
[QUOTE=Mingebox;29030062]It's a pseudo-religion that worships selfishness. They're basically just Objectivists who like shopping in Hot Topic.[/QUOTE] Haha, okay.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29029439]That doesn't really say anything about your views on contemporary matters. (Environment, education, healthcare, military, taxes) And to me, therein lies the problem with Satanism. It's intentionally vague to the point that it doesn't [i]want[/i] to be taken seriously. I don't really disagree with it overall but it's goofy and makes no attempt not to be.[/QUOTE] It's intentionally vague because different people have different opinions. By not trying to force any one opinion, we're avoiding conflicts with other Satanists about Satanism. Or something. I haven't slept since two nights ago thanks to Dwarf Fortress.
At least the Church of Satan doesn't pussyfoot around its core beliefs. Selfishness, got it. Hell, I'm a Secular Taoist and I can't describe the latter part of my philosophy. It's part of the fun, though :unsmith:
I can not believe that in this day and age, people still believe exorcisms do anything.
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;29030165]I can not believe that in this day and age, people still believe exorcisms do anything.[/QUOTE] What better way to get rid of imaginary demons then an imaginary exorcism?
[QUOTE=Mingebox;29030199]What better way to get rid of imaginary demons then an imaginary exorcism?[/QUOTE] Imaginary fights to the death! :black101:
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;29020584]Haha, yeah, lots of things have changed. I remember when I used to argue with people in big GD religious threads. I even posted a thread offering answers to refute and problems people had with christianity. You all were right, I was wrong. Either way, worked out for the best. Now if I do get into some sort of debate with a Christian, I know where they are coming from, and I know all of their arguments, and exactly how to refute them. I'm surprised that you remember me.[/QUOTE] [I]I[/I] Remember you. I remember you were a right bastard to deal with. Good thing us atheists and our evil machinations came to fruition, and you joined us in worship of the lord Satan. Hail Darwin, and all that jazz.
Satan killed 10 people in the Bible God killed 2,476,633 and shows an extremely judgmental disposition that makes us more critical and disapproving of each other's actions and beliefs Honestly Satan seems like the nicer guy.
Why of all religions to chose, they chose satanism?
[QUOTE=Crimor;29014149]It's better than faking it. And at least LaVeyan satanism isn't bullshitting around the burning bush, we're animals, not some greater fucking being. and in a nut shell, this religion is pretty much "respect me and I'll respect you, no matter what race or religion you are" can't say that about Christianity or Islam[/QUOTE] You do realise that Christianity is founded upon love, don't you? Hell, it was Christ who mocked the Pharisees for their untrue faith - they who prostrated themselves loudly so that everyone might see them, but didn't truly serve God.
[QUOTE=deathstarboot;29030066]Neither does Bhuddism. It's more of a philosophy than it is a religion. I looked into Satanism when I was younger, and I think the goofiness is just attributed to it being a direct result of the rejection of religion itself, ie. "Church of Satan".[/QUOTE] That's actually an excellent point. I'm wrong here, religions don't have to deal with contemporary matters. In fact, it's better that they don't since that essentially destroys progressiveness. Damn you Satanists used your fancy black magick on me I know it [editline]7th April 2011[/editline] that's magick with a K so you know it's legit
What Christianity was founded on or once stood for is irrelevant, it's about how it's used and practiced today. Today it's used to breed intolerance, restrict rights, and belittle those who believe differently. Of course I'm generalizing, but in most parts of the US I'm not far off. That's why I'm pro WBC. They give those who are against religion a bigger, more valid platform to work with.
I worship the King. He never forgot what it was like to be a poor boy. Even when he was on top, he joined the working man's Army, just to keep the memory of being a poor boy alive. He was a good man, through and through, even after he Left The Building.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29004738]I don't disagree. It's just that most people don't want to help other people, even indirectly, and I'll bet that most Satanists don't feel the same way you do.[/QUOTE] That spans religion though, regardless of sect or branch, I've met a lot of christians who were good people and a fair few who were outright idiots and cunts, same goes for everything really, including politics and shit.
[QUOTE=deathstarboot;29031591]What Christianity was founded on or once stood for is irrelevant, it's about how it's used and practiced today. Today it's used to breed intolerance, restrict rights, and belittle those who believe differently. Of course I'm generalizing, but in most parts of the US I'm not far off. [/QUOTE] I am disagreeing with you so hard right now.
[QUOTE=DSG;29030309]Satan killed 10 people in the Bible God killed 2,476,633 and shows an extremely judgmental disposition that makes us more critical and disapproving of each other's actions and beliefs Honestly Satan seems like the nicer guy.[/QUOTE] Yeah he was a genuinely cool guy, he wanted to help Eve get her 5 a day is all and then god was all like "NO!!! FATTY ACIDS AND CHOLESTEROL FOR EVE!! GAH NO VITAMINS!"
Satan is one hardcore motherfucker.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;29029320]It's funny because Christianity and Satanism both rely on deities from the same book and are both equally asinine. Only difference is Satan and his worshipers never killed thousands of people of course.[/QUOTE] If you're talking about LaVeyan Satanism, then you're a smidge mistaken. LaVeyan Satanists (generally) don't believe in an afterlife, God, or Devil in the traditional sense. Satan is more a force of nature than some living being. Relevant: [quote]All religions of a spiritual nature are inventions of man. He has created an entire system of gods with nothing more than his carnal brain. Just because he has an ego, and cannot accept it, he has to externalize it into some great spiritual device which he calls “God.” God can do all the things man is forbidden to do—such as kill people, perform miracles to gratify his will, control without any apparent responsibility, etc. If man needs such a god and recognizes that god, then he is worshipping an entity that a human being invented. Therefore, HE IS WORSHIPPING BY PROXY THE MAN THAT INVENTED GOD. Is it not more sensible to worship a god that he, himself, has created, in accordance with his own emotional needs—one that best represents the very carnal and physical being that has the idea‐power to invent a god in the first place? If man insists on externalizing his true self in the form of “God,” then why fear his true self, in fearing “God,”—why praise his true self in praising “God,”—why remain externalized from “God” IN ORDER TO ENGAGE IN RITUAL AND RELIGIOUS CEREMONY IN HIS NAME? Man needs ritual and dogma, but no law states that an externalized god is necessary in order to engage in ritual and ceremony performed in a god’s name! Could it be that when he closes the gap between himself and his “God” he sees the demon of pride creeping forth—that very embodiment of Lucifer appearing in his midst? He no longer can view himself in two parts, the carnal and the spiritual, but sees them merge as one, and then to his abysmal horror, discovers that they are only the carnal—AND ALWAYS WERE! Then he either hates himself to death, day by day—or rejoices that he is what he is! [/quote]There's more and it goes on for a whole chapter. I had a bit of trouble finding a relevant quote. Unless you count this: [quote]There is no heaven of glory bright, and no hell where sinners roast. Here and now is our day of torment! Here and now is our day of joy! Here and now is our opportunity! Choose ye this day, this hour, for no redeemer liveth![/quote]
[QUOTE=Dalndox;29035198]Relevant: There's more and it goes on for a whole chapter. I had a bit of trouble finding a relevant quote. Unless you count this:[/QUOTE] If you want a more simple quote, there's an [url=http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Satanism:_An_interview_with_Church_of_Satan_High_Priest_Peter_Gilmore]interview[/url] with the current High Priest of the Church of Satan. [quote=Peter H. Gilmore]Satanism begins with atheism. We begin with the universe and say, “It’s indifferent. There’s no God, there’s no Devil. No one cares!” So you then have to make a decision that places yourself at the center of your own subjective universe, because of course we can’t have any kind of objective contact with everything that exists. That’s rather arrogant and delusional...[/quote]
[quote]So you then have to make a decision that places yourself at the center of your own subjective universe[/quote] That's a great quote but why do so many people read it as being "at the centre of everyone's universe" Everyone needs to remember that there are 7 billion other subjective universes running concurrently to their own
I considered myself a LaVeyan satanist once, now I just don't care.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29038802]Everyone needs to remember that there are 7 billion other subjective universes running concurrently to their own[/QUOTE] None of which are completely necessary to your own. Except for conjoined twins.
Do you think dolphins have their own religion? [editline]7th April 2011[/editline] I bet it makes more since then Mormonism
[QUOTE=Paramud;29038880]None of which are completely necessary to your own. Except for conjoined twins.[/QUOTE] How you treat people around you will most definitely affect you You may be the centre of your own universe, but you're not the centre of [b]the[/b] universe.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29039136]you're not the centre of [b]the[/b] universe.[/QUOTE] There is no way you can possibly know that.
[QUOTE=Paramud;29039187]There is no way you can possibly know that.[/QUOTE] Do I need to bring up the teapot
[QUOTE=Paramud;29039187]There is no way you can possibly know that.[/QUOTE] No, but assuming so would be the dumbest thing since the creation myth.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29039347]Do I need to bring up the teapot[/QUOTE] No. Remember this post? [QUOTE=Paramud;29030129]Or something. I haven't slept since two nights ago thanks to Dwarf Fortress.[/QUOTE] I still haven't slept yet so I just really can't think heavily without risking the loss of vital bits of memories and facts.
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