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[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43523270]It's pretty much been proven over and over that the US equivalent of Conservatives are what's holding the country back. Gay marriage? nope. Rights for anyone else than white people? forget about it. Women are equal to men? HAH!! Social healthcare and benefits? wtf commie scum...[/QUOTE] You're almost some kind of double strawman.
it's always cute when americans go to another country and realize that there they don't have to go into debt to have a life saving operation [editline]13th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;43525068]You're almost some kind of double strawman.[/QUOTE] it's terribly written but honestly he's hit the nail on the head
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43523340]Despite what people think (and despite the fact I don't want conservatives in power), they do have specific reasons for the policies they support, and that they aren't inherently evil.[/QUOTE] [quote]It's pretty much been proven over and over that the US equivalent of Conservatives are what's holding the country back.[/quote] He's right though, being a conservative means, by definition, you hold a large number of traditional values and therefore, by definition, you are holding the country back. if you allow your belief that the Republicans represent "fiscal responsibility" to over-rule your stance on progressive issues like free healthcare or gay marriage by voting Republican, then you are holding the country back.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43523270]It's pretty much been proven over and over that the US equivalent of Conservatives are what's holding the country back. Gay marriage? nope. Rights for anyone else than white people? forget about it. Women are equal to men? HAH!! Social healthcare and benefits? wtf commie scum...[/QUOTE] Really? I dont FEEL like I'm holding the country back. I'm not homophobic. I'm certainly not white. And maybe if the tumbler feminists shut their mouth for once women's rights would continue to progress.
wow a real life Republican apologist, wasn't even aware they existed.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43523340]Despite what people think (and despite the fact I don't want conservatives in power), they do have specific reasons for the policies they support, and that they aren't inherently evil.[/QUOTE] That's really cool and all but uh...who said anything about them being evil? Whether they mean to or not is irrelevant, they are still fucking us over.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43525476]Really? I dont FEEL like I'm holding the country back. I'm not homophobic. I'm certainly not white. And maybe if the tumbler feminists shut their mouth for once women's rights would continue to progress.[/QUOTE] maybe if people didn't stop harping on about shit they plainly know nothing about this discussion would continue to progress Really? The primary reason that gender equality is progressing slowly is that 'tumblr feminists' are whining too much?
[QUOTE=matt.ant;43524750]The same reason millionaires can't claim job seekers welfare even though they pay more tax than anyone else - because they can afford not to. Although the NHS doesn't discriminate and she has every right to use it, many would say it's unfair.[/QUOTE] I don't see any issue. The NHS is funded by public taxes and guarantees an equal level of care for everyone who pays into the system, regardless of what actual amount they pay into it. The fact that someone can, or cannot afford private insurance is something else entirely. Of course I believe private insurance shouldn't replace your NHS one, but merely supplement it, add luxuries and similar.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43525476]Really? I dont FEEL like I'm holding the country back. I'm not homophobic. I'm certainly not white. [B]And maybe if the tumbler feminists shut their mouth for once women's rights would continue to progress.[/B][/QUOTE] lmao are you serious?
[QUOTE=Advancedrock;43525515]That's really cool and all but uh...who said anything about them being evil? Whether they mean to or not is irrelevant, they are still fucking us over.[/QUOTE] The two party system is fucking us over. Conservatives are forced to tie themselves into the Republican party even if there views of things are completely different from that of the Republican party. Say you are someone like me... I am an AnCap, who takes a realistic view of the Capitalist theory, but I am forced to waste my vote on the Libertarian party, join the Republican Party and go against almost my entire spectrum outside of somethings related to firearms, or go Democrat and see an incrediably bastardized version of my belief set being adopted. Given the chance, I'd form a literal Capitalist party under the beliefs that you must benefit public safety and personal liberty and freedoms to ensure the health of the consumer and small business man.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43525476]Really? I dont FEEL like I'm holding the country back. I'm not homophobic. I'm certainly not white. And maybe if the tumbler feminists shut their mouth for once women's rights would continue to progress.[/QUOTE] First of all, if you're not white, in my honest opinion you have no business being a conservative. Why? Because historically speaking conservative values here in the United States, have revolved around conserving white values and white norms, be it segregation, slavery, protestant religion, and so on. The only reason you're allowed to vote, and I'm assuming you're a minority and not native american or something, is because liberal activists in the early 20th century fought for the rights of everyone that wasn't born a white male to vote. Now, I can gladly understand the distaste that some feminists and some liberals give you, but you can't sit there and rationally support an ideology that at one point was restricting your civil rights.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43525497]wow a real life Republican apologist, wasn't even aware they existed.[/QUOTE] They're quite common in most places, its finding one on a forum like this that's rare.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;43525705]maybe if people didn't stop harping on about shit they plainly know nothing about this discussion would continue to progress Really? The primary reason that gender equality is progressing slowly is that 'tumblr feminists' are whining too much?[/QUOTE] Not the primary reason, but it certainly closes your ears after prolonged exposure [editline]13th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Xystus234;43526477]First of all, if you're not white, in my honest opinion you have no business being a conservative. Why? Because historically speaking conservative values here in the United States, have revolved around conserving white values and white norms, be it segregation, slavery, protestant religion, and so on. The only reason you're allowed to vote, and I'm assuming you're a minority and not native american or something, is because liberal activists in the early 20th century fought for the rights of everyone that wasn't born a white male to vote. Now, I can gladly understand the distaste that some feminists and some liberals give you, but you can't sit there and rationally support an ideology that at one point was restricting your civil rights.[/QUOTE] But I'm not. I'm a right leaning libertarian. Let's not also forget that the Democratic party supported slavery? What the ideology was about then does not matter, it's what it's about now.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43523340]Despite what people think (and despite the fact I don't want conservatives in power), they do have specific reasons for the policies they support, and that they aren't inherently evil.[/QUOTE] conservative ideology is based upon heavily erroneous assumptions about the way the world works though, let's be real here [editline]13th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43526410]Given the chance, I'd form a literal Capitalist party under the beliefs that you must benefit public safety and personal liberty and freedoms to ensure the health of the consumer and small business man.[/QUOTE] you're literally talking about the democratic party.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43522747]Now imagine the same thing in the US, just requires a slight tax hike and for all conservative farts to kick the bucket.[/QUOTE] Not even a slight tax hike. We defund the TSA entirely and severely hamstring the NSA's funding and it's paid for. We need not raise federal taxes one cent, merely appropriate the taxes that already exist in better ways.
[QUOTE=TestECull;43527406]Not even a slight tax hike. We defund the TSA entirely and severely hamstring the NSA's funding and it's paid for. We need not raise federal taxes one cent, merely appropriate the taxes that already exist in better ways.[/QUOTE] i'm sorry, defund the organization that prevents people from carrying weapons aboard airplanes? why? and ps, that wouldn't even fucking touch the amount of money necessary for a single payer system lmao
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43527339]conservative ideology is based upon heavily erroneous assumptions about the way the world works though, let's be real here [editline]13th January 2014[/editline] you're literally talking about the democratic party.[/QUOTE] I support them in the local elections because the Democrat-NPL of North Dakota is pretty much what I want from the Democrat party, but I honestly can't find myself supporting either the Republicans or Democrats in the national elections. For example: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi_Heitkamp"]Heidi Heitkamp is someone I adore, and is the first politician that I openly supported.[/URL] But I hold a place in my own personal hell for Biden. Not so much Obama, but fucking Biden. He is a man I outright see as a cocky son of a bitch.
[QUOTE=TestECull;43527406]Not even a slight tax hike. [b]We defund the TSA entirely[/b] and severely hamstring the NSA's funding and it's paid for. We need not raise federal taxes one cent, merely appropriate the taxes that already exist in better ways.[/QUOTE] What an atrocious idea.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43527339]conservative ideology is based upon heavily erroneous assumptions about the way the world works though, let's be real here [editline]13th January 2014[/editline] you're literally talking about the democratic party.[/QUOTE] I don't know, I'd say social liberalism isn't very good, either, except for the equality stuff. Awfully loose social controls. Encouraging things that are subversive to marriage and monogamy as institutions. Putting criminals and victims on equal ground. Selectively disregarding certain types of oppression and (emotional) violence in favour of personal freedoms (I'm asexual and I have to put up with all kinds of shit for it, but if I try to bite back I'll just get called a slut-shamer or some dumb bullshit). Supporting certain freedoms and rights which allow for people to be incredibly destructive and nasty as long as they are sneaky about it. And liberalism is mostly based upon unrealistic optimism about, well, many, many things. I'd rather live in a conservative shithole and get called out for being a metrosexual fruit than live in a liberal shithole and get called out for being a prude, slut-shamer, and anti-sexual bigot. At least conservatives in this country can [i]pretend[/i] to care for traditional values or social stability or what ever the hell you want to call it. [editline]14th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43525452]He's right though, being a conservative means, by definition, you hold a large number of traditional values and therefore, by definition, you are holding the country back. if you allow your belief that the Republicans represent "fiscal responsibility" to over-rule your stance on progressive issues like free healthcare or gay marriage by voting Republican, then you are holding the country back.[/QUOTE] And what if I don't like parts of liberal/Democrat ideology? You have to choose between "holding the country back" (you aren't, progress is subjective), not voting at all, or choosing an ideology that you mostly dislike or is harmful to you? Is the only correct worldview a liberal and progressive one, now? And people call conservatives close minded.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;43526477]First of all, if you're not white, in my honest opinion you have no business being a conservative. Why? Because historically speaking conservative values here in the United States, have revolved around conserving white values and white norms, be it segregation, slavery, protestant religion, and so on. The only reason you're allowed to vote, and I'm assuming you're a minority and not native american or something, is because liberal activists in the early 20th century fought for the rights of everyone that wasn't born a white male to vote. Now, I can gladly understand the distaste that some feminists and some liberals give you, but you can't sit there and rationally support an ideology that at one point was restricting your civil rights.[/QUOTE] I wish people like this guy would take a bit of time to visit a library. Let's start with slavery since it seems to interest you. Liberals (now the democrat party) supported slavery. Now on to segregation. Liberals again. Which group was both against slavey and for equal rights? They are known today as republicans... Now move on to social issues like social security. It was passed with overwhelming support of republicans. I know in your head you think conservatives are the greatest evil ever but it would be nice if you learned a tiny bit about your countries history...
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43525452]He's right though, being a conservative means, by definition, you hold a large number of traditional values and therefore, by definition, you are holding the country back. if you allow your belief that the Republicans represent "fiscal responsibility" to over-rule your stance on progressive issues like free healthcare or gay marriage by voting Republican, then you are holding the country back.[/QUOTE] Wut. Being a Conservative could also mean that you have a high regard for the Constitution, and you want to restore the initial document and first ten amendments to their former glory.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43528740]Wut. Being a Conservative could also mean that you have a high regard for the Constitution, and you want to restore the initial document and first ten amendments to their former glory.[/QUOTE] sounds fucking cringy
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;43528717]I wish people like this guy would take a bit of time to visit a library. Let's start with slavery since it seems to interest you. Liberals (now the democrat party) supported slavery. Now on to segregation. Liberals again. Which group was both against slavey and for equal rights? They are known today as republicans... Now move on to social issues like social security. It was passed with overwhelming support of republicans. I know in your head you think conservatives are the greatest evil ever but it would be nice if you learned a tiny bit about your countries history...[/QUOTE] uhhhhhhhhh I don't think you know what the terms "liberal" and "conservative" actually mean, pal. (they are relative terms whose exact definition depends on the social context in which they are being used. someone who opposed the eradication of an old and important social/legal institution like slavery would, by definition, have been a conservative)
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43528772]sounds fucking cringy[/QUOTE] Pretty much, but the point being is that being Conservative(within today's definition of being a Republican) doesn't always mean you are totally against change, as change facilitates to turn back to "traditional values"
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43523340]Despite what people think (and despite the fact I don't want conservatives in power), they do have specific reasons for the policies they support, and that they aren't inherently evil.[/QUOTE] Alot of the ones in power are pretty evil.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43528782]Pretty much, but the point being is that being Conservative doesn't always mean you are totally against change, as change facilitates to turn back to "traditional values"[/QUOTE] that still means you're against change if you're reactionary or regressive.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43528789]that still means you're against change if you're reactionary or regressive.[/QUOTE] Edited it. Didn't mean in the literal, but rather the definition of what most use it under.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43526410]The two party system is fucking us over. Conservatives are forced to tie themselves into the Republican party even if there views of things are completely different from that of the Republican party.[/QUOTE] American Conservatives support big business, big military and religious values? They fall right in line with Republican values.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43528740]Wut. Being a Conservative could also mean that you have a high regard for the Constitution, and you want to restore the initial document and first ten amendments to their former glory.[/QUOTE] hooray who needs women and blacks to vote anyway i think the constitution def needs to be restored to its former glory
"restored to its former glory" is always p ominous sounding tbh
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