Ugh, such vandals. I hope those criminal charges stick, and that those who authorized the temple demolition get what they deserve, rather than use the workers as a patsy. Sure, the workers will probably take at least some of the blame, since they did the dirty work even if some of them didn't want to, but those higher up need to take responsibility for the plans to break the temple.
They probably planned to turn the temple grounds into real estate for housing so they could sell the houses/land for money, being real estate companies. *sigh* These kinda people, the kinda people that seek to make money by any means necessary regardless of the consequences, make me sick. But, was it simply a matter of greed or were they desperate to pull out of a nosedive or something?
[QUOTE=ironman17;41314652]
They probably planned to turn the temple grounds into real estate for housing so they could sell the houses/land for money, being real estate companies. [/QUOTE]
so these would have literally been houses built over ancient indian burial grounds
well fuck, good thing they stopped
[QUOTE=Dantai;41314348]Learn what? We already know how to make tools and build walls.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ, this sort of shitty-ass attitude is prevalent on Facepunch and it ticks me off so much
[QUOTE=.Isak.;41314611]old stuff is cool?
there's historical value?
not everything needs to be of solid, tangible material value, stuff can have historical importance
if you go by this logic, who gives a fuck about history, useless subject, throw it out, STEM majors only le reddit[/QUOTE]
All I said it's just useless junk not saying all history isn't important.
It's cute how you put words in my mouth and try to put reddit in this somehow as if that website has anything to do with this.
But keep worthshipping bricks while these companies contribute to the economy and create jobs.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;41314686]so these would have literally been houses built over ancient indian burial grounds
well fuck, good thing they stopped[/QUOTE]
True, though the damage has still been done. Thankfully, this is not a universe where the dead get pissed and rise from their graves to wreak vengeance, but then again if we did live in such a haunted reality, the contractors would probably have been turned inside-out by the ghosts of angry priests. Probably wouldn't have had their hearts torn out though; such a thing wouldn't happen in South America, though it'd probably happen in Mexico.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;41314727]Jesus christ, this sort of shitty-ass attitude is prevalent on Facepunch and it ticks me off so much[/QUOTE]
Stop crying about others not having the same beliefs as you.
[QUOTE=Iago;41314731]All I said it's just useless junk not saying all history isn't important.
It's cute how you put words in my mouth and try to put reddit in this somehow as if that website has anything to do with this.
But keep worthshipping bricks while these companies contribute to the economy and create jobs.[/QUOTE]
i don't even know what to say
you are the finest example of a materialist, wealth-focused conservative I've ever seen on Facepunch
might as well also just destroy the Amazon, there's so much room for real estate and they're just piles of wood and plants, totally insignificant, chop it up, more money and good for the economy!
i'm literally at a loss for words
[QUOTE=Iago;41314752]Stop crying about others not having the same beliefs as you.[/QUOTE]
Your beliefs are pretty shitty brah, I'll say what I want
Was it their land? Wouldn't that make the pyramid their property and they could do as they wish with it?
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;41314780]Your beliefs are pretty shitty brah, I'll say what I want[/QUOTE]
but it's just a pile of 4,000-year-old bricks we need more houses and economy fuck history fuck the environment nahmean also you're all stupid they're just bricks it's no big deal
(pls respect my opinion ok?)
[editline]4th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cmx;41314797]Was it their land? Wouldn't that make the pyramid their property and they could do as they wish with it?[/QUOTE]
Most countries have laws in place where any historically-significant discovered sites are owned by the government. Dunno if Peru has an equivalent law, but plenty of countries do, and for good reasons.
Did they even get permission outside of the company, or did they go "Hey guys, wanna fuck century old milestones up?"
And if nobody cares about it, don't worry. Nobody will care about us in another century, and our houses will be torn apart, with our graves wrecked by industrial machines just to make way for a shitty apartment block. I'm all for looking toward the future, but this is a giant, big, grand Fuck You to the past, and this is not the attitude the world should have. The pyramid isn't exactly fucking Dale farm.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;41314767]i don't even know what to say
you are the finest example of a materialist, wealth-focused conservative I've ever seen on Facepunch
might as well also just destroy the Amazon, there's so much room for real estate and they're just piles of wood and plants, totally insignificant, chop it up, more money and good for the economy!
i'm literally at a loss for words[/QUOTE]
I'm not a conservative but keep putting words in my mouth ok?
The Amazon is actually important compared to some dusty bricks.
I'm amazed how much Facepunch complains about how slow mankind's growth and technology advancement is in other threads but weeps about old rocks being destroyed.
We shouldn't rebuild and make chernobyl live able again because it has -historical value-
[editline]4th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;41314780]Your beliefs are pretty shitty brah, I'll say what I want[/QUOTE]
The same could be said about yours.
[QUOTE=Iago;41314886]I'm not a conservative but keep putting words in my mouth ok?
The Amazon is actually important compared to some dusty bricks.
I'm amazed how much Facepunch complains about how slow mankind's growth and technology advancement is in other threads but weeps about old rocks being destroyed.
We shouldn't rebuild and make chernobyl live able again because it has -historical value-
[editline]4th July 2013[/editline]
The same could be said about yours.[/QUOTE]
unfortunately only having a forward-looking perspective tends to cause some problems. if you ignore the past and rampantly fuck over historical monuments, you lose an awful lot of stuff that you could learn from.
if you only focus on the future and never learn from the past, well, you're going to make the same mistakes over and over and over and over forever. you can't just say "get rid of this shit it's in the way for industrialism." well, you can, but you'll be sharing the political and ethical world view of the same people who don't believe in global warming and genuinely want to clear the amazon.
the past is incredibly important and it's incredibly disrespectful to say "just some 4,000 year old bricks" when the amount of work and technical innovation used to get those rocks into a pyramid shape for a religion we know very little about is astoundingly historically important.
you could very easily extrapolate your views onto anything. bulldoze some indian burial mounds in ohio, they're just in the way. destroy the acropolis, it's in the way for real estate development. take dynamite to the remnants of pompeii, we could use that land for a factory. knock down the Colosseum, it's in the way for a new town hall.
just because it isn't particularly well preserved, or because it's not as artistically relevant as certain Greek/Roman structures, doesn't mean it's totally historically irrelevant. we know very very little about these cultures, and these structures can provide us with an incredible amount of knowledge from their level of advancement to their architectural skills to their religious practices.
to put it in short, you are a very historically ignorant person who looks at this and sees "pile of rocks" yet thinks that the pile of rocks that is the colloseum is somehow more relevant even though we know a thousand times more about their culture than we do about this culture.
Wow..no respect for history at all. Imagine the shit storm that would arise if this were to somehow happen to the Great Pyramids in Egypt. Still how can you just topple 4k year old structures like that?
The sheer amount of people in this thread that don't value culture and history is astonishing.
As the great-grandchild of a Peruvian archeologist, I don't know what's worse. The idiots who destroyed these pyramids, or the idiots in this thread who believe that this was a good thing.
[editline]4th July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Iago;41314549]These pyramids have no value other then the value you put in it. I would say some old historical things are important and useful but a bunch of old ass bricks laying around are not. If we could learn some secret form of construction sure.
But these are just bricks belonging to some dead tribesmen, you guys are getting worked up only because it's OLD.
[/QUOTE]
Dude, just...shut up.
My country is now proud of its culture and history, you can't just say "Look at this bunch of mud bricks and whatnot, let's plow them down to make a new mall" without knowing what they mean to us, the locals.
Not to mention all the cool shit that we keep finding down there.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;41314810]
Most countries have laws in place where any historically-significant discovered sites are owned by the government. Dunno if Peru has an equivalent law, but plenty of countries do, and for good reasons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the land may be yours, but the site is owned by the government, and thus you can't do shit.
You're batshit if you think this is just some "Oops" mistake.
Iagos post in this thread are like reading tweets from a sour-ass 14yo trapped in a museum
[QUOTE=Iago;41314886]I'm not a conservative but keep putting words in my mouth ok?
The Amazon is actually important compared to some dusty bricks.
I'm amazed how much Facepunch complains about how slow mankind's growth and technology advancement is in other threads but weeps about old rocks being destroyed.
We shouldn't rebuild and make chernobyl live able again because it has -historical value-
[editline]4th July 2013[/editline]
The same could be said about yours.[/QUOTE]
Um lol you do realise this is an area less than 50 square meters large. I think a pyramid got stuck up your butt when you were a little boy and you've had a smoldering hatred for that geometric shape ever since because like wtf are you even talking about lol.
I do like how when the first world was developing, we tore down old shit for new all the time. And when the now developing third world countries do it it's awful.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41315251]I do like how when the first world was developing, we tore down old shit for new all the time. And when the now developing third world countries do it it's awful.[/QUOTE]
What are you implying here? That those living now are responsible for actions taken by previous generations? Because that's like saying 20-year old Germans are bastards for allowing Hitler to gain power.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41315251]I do like how when the first world was developing, we tore down old shit for new all the time. And when the now developing third world countries do it it's awful.[/QUOTE]
Because back when the first world did it, they gave zero fucks about history.
[QUOTE=Iago;41314731]All I said it's just useless junk not saying all history isn't important.
It's cute how you put words in my mouth and try to put reddit in this somehow as if that website has anything to do with this.
But keep worthshipping bricks while these companies contribute to the economy and create jobs.[/QUOTE]
where do you draw the line at history that matters and history that doesn't
you're incredibly shortsighted
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41315251]I do like how when the first world was developing, we tore down old shit for new all the time. And when the now developing third world countries do it it's awful.[/QUOTE]
Uh, not quite.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Heritage_Site[/url]
[url]http://www.environment.gov.au/heritage/places/national/index.html[/url]
[url]http://whc.unesco.org/en/list[/url]
Actually like, not in any possible regard in the universe, why would you say this when it's blatantly not true.
Iago you've obviously never heard of curses
All of these old constructs are protected by arcane forces and when you plow through them with a bulldozer you let all the demons out
"World Heritage Site" is just a family-friendly way of saying "seal that protects us from the realm of hell", if you break too many it's game fucking over
[QUOTE=Iago;41314886]I'm not a conservative but keep putting words in my mouth ok?
The Amazon is actually important compared to some dusty bricks.
I'm amazed how much Facepunch complains about how slow mankind's growth and technology advancement is in other threads but weeps about old rocks being destroyed.
We shouldn't rebuild and make chernobyl live able again because it has -historical value-
[editline]4th July 2013[/editline]
The same could be said about yours.[/QUOTE]
Here's why
This is history that hasn't been studied. This was a historical structure that could have been researched and studied to understand a people that are long gone now. We could have understood our past, something many people consider very important, but not once the building is destroyed and forgotten for more real estate.
Your idea of comparing cherynobyl and this is ludicrious and makes no sense.
your belief on this issue is shitty, nothing is gained by the destruction of our history
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;41315297]Uh, not quite.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Heritage_Site[/url]
[url]http://www.environment.gov.au/heritage/places/national/index.html[/url]
[url]http://whc.unesco.org/en/list[/url]
Actually like, not in any possible regard in the universe, why would you say this when it's blatantly not true.[/QUOTE]
Not that I'm defending TheLurker or anything, but what does a program defending heritage sites signed in the 70s have to do with westerners destroying heritage sites in the 20s?
This thread has made me realise that there are many ignorant people on FP.
I wonder how stupid the workers felt after being stopped
[QUOTE=FPSMango;41315392]Not that I'm defending TheLurker or anything, but what does a program defending heritage sites signed in the 70s have to do with westerners destroying heritage sites in the 20s?[/QUOTE]
The point is that western countries haven't gone around obliterating shit that has cultural value on purpose, so he's lying? Stuff doesn't become culturally significant overnight, that's what people aren't getting. These sites are usually tiny and (should be) insignificant to the progress of humanity, and if not they're generally big and awesome so why break them.
[editline]5th July 2013[/editline]
Also wtf the 20s the industrial revolution had come and gone at that point so people wouldn't have been blowing stuff up willy nilly anyway (???)
[QUOTE=Dantai;41314348]Learn what? We already know how to make tools and build walls.[/QUOTE]
I am quite honestly dumbfounded by this post. You honestly think we keep these around so that we can just learn how to build them? What the fuck?
I can't believe the lack of cultural interest and absent sense of historical value present in this thread.
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