[QUOTE=CheeseMan;41316198]Btw, Egypt made $13,633,000,000 in tourist money in 2010. Tourism based on oh I dunno [img]http://www.hscripts.com/freeimages/icons/buildings/pyramid/pyramid-clipart12.gif[/img] hmmm[/QUOTE]
Yea but who cares about that right? it's not useful or beneficial!!
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;41316198]Btw, Egypt made $13,633,000,000 in tourist money in 2010. Tourism based on oh I dunno [img]http://www.hscripts.com/freeimages/icons/buildings/pyramid/pyramid-clipart12.gif[/img] hmmm[/QUOTE]
Cool, those pyramids are actually useful,
these not so much.
[QUOTE=Iago;41316120]That's nice and all but we won't learn much from THESE pyramids and it's in the way, why punish the real estate companies?
What kind of important info can we learn here? Nothing.
We should keep important shit persevered but not every piece of dirt a caveman has shitted on.[/QUOTE]
What about all the metal works and ceramics that have been lost to idiots who decided a thousands of years old building must be destroyed for the sake of "progress"?
What about all the burial sites sacked by people who ignore the historical significance of these locations?
Every bit of history is important. EVERY one.
[QUOTE=Iago;41316204]The thing is they're not in the way of development.
[B]I'm not supporting the pyramids being torn down[/B], I'm supporting shit getting done. i'm just neutral on this but it's no big deal.[/QUOTE]
Ahem
[QUOTE=Iago;41314185][B]I see nothing wrong with this[/B], it's more beneficial in the long run then[B] keeping a bunch of useless junk around just because it's old[/B].
I know i'm going to get ALOT of boxes for this but there's no reason to keep it except imaginary value to it's old history.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;41316198]Btw, Egypt made $13,633,000,000 in tourist money in 2010. Tourism based on oh I dunno [img]http://www.hscripts.com/freeimages/icons/buildings/pyramid/pyramid-clipart12.gif[/img] hmmm[/QUOTE]
dude that's just a bunch of rocks pave it over and make a mcdonalds supercenter
[QUOTE=Xubs;41316155]well, if you're so concerned about progress and stuff, this pyramid could've been used as a tourist attraction. That rakes in a lot of money, and that's good for the Peruvian state. Could've used the taxes from that money to build even more houses.
Would've kept the pyramid preserved and both sides happy.[/QUOTE]
They should've done that but it's too late now.
[QUOTE=Blazyd;41316210]Yea but who cares about that right? it's not useful or beneficial!![/QUOTE]
Compounding this, Westfield Group (aka the guys who own 104 (more since the time of counting since they spring up like daisies) shopping malls across Australia, New Zealand and the U.S.) made about $4bn in 2011 which is almost 1/3 of Egypt's tourism profits. Oh but wait, Egypt is like the #1 tourist country in the world so I guess a tiny country like Peru wouldn't get even a fraction o-
[quote]Tourism in Peru makes up the nation's third largest industry, behind fishing and mining.[/quote]
oh...
[quote]Tourism is directed towards archeological monuments[/quote]
[B]oh...[/B]
[quote]Peru's tourism revenues are expected to reach [B]US$3.3[/B] billion in 2012, up 11 percent [/quote]
[h2]oh......[/h2]
[QUOTE=RobbL;41316165]What do you think about destroying natural monuments/wonders? (say we had limitless ability in doing so)[/QUOTE]
That would be pointless and horrible. People who do that should get fined/jail time
[QUOTE=Iago;41316218]Cool,[B] those pyramids are actually useful, [/B]
these not so much.[/QUOTE]
How are they useful, what do they do. Don't post if you can't answer that question with proper practical methods that don't include tourism revenue, ty
[QUOTE=Iago;41316262]That would be pointless and horrible. People who do that should get fined/jail time[/QUOTE]
is your brain a mobius strip
i cannot wrap my head around your train of thought
[QUOTE=TehAgentGuy;41313707]What? WHAT?!
I know there are words to describe the companies, but I can't find it in my head.[/QUOTE]
Turkey Twizzlers.
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;41316264]How are they useful, what do they do. Don't post if you can't answer that question with proper practical methods that don't include tourism revenue, ty[/QUOTE]
THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS DO NOTHING BUT TOURISM I GUESS WE SHOULD TEAR THOSE DOWN.
What is wrong with you, you ask for a reason they should have been protected and when given EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT tell us to give you another reason.
this is directed at Iago.
[QUOTE=Iago;41316262]That would be pointless and horrible. People who do that should get fined/jail time[/QUOTE]
But aren't they just useless pieces of junk that get in the way of real-estate companies?
Iago is looking pretty much only at the aesthetic value of the pyramids. It looks like a pile of bricks, it's not as massive and stunning as the Pyramids of Giza, and it doesn't have the beautiful columns of the Temple at Acropolis or the Colosseum, so it's obviously a pile of really old bricks.
Incredibly ignorant position to take - pyramids like this net millions of dollars in tourism for these countries. Mesoamerican pyramids like Cholula, Pyramid of the Sun, Uxmal, and Xocichalco are essentially the same types of pyramids that either handled the passage of time better or were restored. They bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars of tourist money yearly. They're also piles of rocks. Literally no other "use" other than to look at and research.
That's pretty much what every single ancient monument is. It's physically useless, people go there to witness a piece of history. A destruction of any one is disgusting.
You can't say that the Egyptian pyramids are useful, and then say that these are just piles of rocks. They serve technically identical purposes.
Iago's been advocating the destruction of useless historical junk. Look at a list of UNESCO World Heritage sites, and tell me that each and every one of these piles of old rocks should be bulldozed to make room for shopping malls, suburban sprawl, and apartment complexes. If you believe that, you need genuine mental help.
I should just leave this thread, you guys are insane.
I can't comprehend why anybody likes fucking pyramids
Progress.
[QUOTE=Iago;41316468]I should just leave this thread, you guys are insane.
I can't comprehend why anybody likes fucking pyramids[/QUOTE]
The only insane guy is the one advocating the destruction of historical sites.
Ragequitter
[URL="http://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=543136"]Click here to block Iago.[/URL]
Now, please, stop arguing.
[QUOTE=Iago;41316468]
I can't comprehend why anybody likes fucking pyramids[/QUOTE]
If I could just quickly point out:
[QUOTE=Iago;41316218]Cool, those pyramids are actually useful,
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Iago;41316468]I should just leave this thread, you guys are insane.
I can't comprehend why anybody likes fucking pyramids[/QUOTE]
Dude I mean I'm not a mod, so don't feel like I'm tryin' to intimidate you or anything, but I kinda asked you a question that you should specifically know the answer to. Well, I mean, unless you said something that you had absolutely no belief in or evidence to back up, which would be impossible, right
[QUOTE=Iago;41316468]I should just leave this thread, you guys are insane.
I can't comprehend why anybody likes fucking pyramids[/QUOTE]
okay, bye
[QUOTE=Iago;41316468]I should just leave this thread, you guys are insane.
I can't comprehend why anybody likes fucking pyramids[/QUOTE]
So you believe that something should be destroyed because you cannot understand why people like it?
Well, we may as well destroy 99% of modern art and more. Oh wait you would oppose that because modern art makes money, thus you support it's creation... wait a moment, aren't pyramids the same way?
And you call them insane, when this is your exact logic?
I'm going to be honest, I have phobia of pyramids.
Now leave me alone.
[QUOTE=cam64DD;41316490][URL="http://facepunch.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=543136"]Click here to block Iago.[/URL]
Now, please, stop arguing.[/QUOTE]Blocking is for quitters.
I prefer pretending that he's the Iago from Aladdin, and he doesn't like pyramids abroad because they compete with the city of Agrabah for historical-artifact interested tourists. It takes a bit of the edge off when you read every post in [i]that[/i] voice.
[QUOTE=Iago;41316598]I'm going to be honest, I have phobia of pyramids.
Now leave me alone.[/QUOTE]
[sub][sub]holy fuck i was just joking[/sub][/sub]
[QUOTE=Iago;41316598]I'm going to be honest, I have phobia of pyramids.
Now leave me alone.[/QUOTE]
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beware of the mummy's curse
woooooo
[QUOTE=Iago;41314297]"This guys were here 4 thousands of heres ago and made a pretty pyramid.
It's has the same value as some teenager making a "Joe was herez" graffiti after thousands of years later
Well I'll give you a point for the tourist attractions.[/QUOTE]Do you love making really stupid posts or something
[QUOTE=Iago;41314549]These pyramids have no value other then the value you put in it. I would say some old historical things are important and useful but a bunch of old ass bricks laying around are not. If we could learn some secret form of construction sure.
But these are just bricks belonging to some dead tribesmen, you guys are getting worked up only because it's OLD.
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[B]"All people who don't care about the exact same things as me or don't have the same moral code is dumb"[/B][/QUOTE]No, you really are dumb
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;41314045]I don't see any reason as to why we should preserve all the pyramids.
Unless of course you want to keep it as a remembrance to those thousands of slaves who put their lives into building it, under the command of some crazy-ass Pharaoh, which is very thoughtful.[/QUOTE]
Are you absolutely mentally damaged? This is [b]history[/b], a part of our history that we can never get back except for the memory of its age and whatever might have been held within it. Besides, there was very little evidence that slaves built the Egyptian pyramids, after many valuable objects (like gold, intricately designed jewelry, that sort) were found in the nearby residences of the supposed "slaves" who built them (these objects could have been an example of their wealth/payment for constructing them, or they could have been a status symbol for them.) But, slaves were used to build the Great Wall of China. I suppose we should get rid of that too, by your logic? Because hey, people toiled over its construction!
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[QUOTE=Iago;41314297]"This guys were here 4 thousands of heres ago and made a pretty pyramid.
It's has the same value as some teenager making a "Joe was herez" graffiti after thousands of years later
Well I'll give you a point for the tourist attractions.[/QUOTE]
Good job, you are also as ignorant and foolish as Bat-shit. Any Pyramid is an example of human ingenuity, especially that of ancient man. These are people who were technologically inferior to us, but managed to build some of the most amazing things to ever have been constructed on Earth so far. That's like saying the Pont Du Gard is only good for being pretty and it just moved water.
you wanna know why i think pyramids should stay
they're cool, they're rad, they're super duper bad. they're filled with curses and old petrified bodies and canopic jars and doritos 3D or whatever the pharoahs dined on
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;41314162]yea it's not like we can learn about the civilization that built the structure
and this isn't in egypt, they didn't have a pharaoh (and some evidence points to the fact slaves didn't build the pyramids in egypt either)[/QUOTE]
yes because we haven't learned a lot about them as is.
and oh really, slaves didn't build these things? then tell me, who exactly? they didn't have any "employment offices" either.
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[QUOTE=TAU!;41316714]Are you absolutely mentally damaged? This is [b]history[/b], a part of our history that we can never get back except for the memory of its age and whatever might have been held within it. Besides, there was very little evidence that slaves built the Egyptian pyramids, after many valuable objects (like gold, intricately designed jewelry, that sort) were found in the nearby residences of the supposed "slaves" who built them (these objects could have been an example of their wealth/payment for constructing them, or they could have been a status symbol for them.) But, slaves were used to build the Great Wall of China. I suppose we should get rid of that too, by your logic? Because hey, people toiled over its construction![/QUOTE]
No I didn't say you should get rid of all pyramids and the great wall of China, but truth to be told, many of these only remind us of human suffering, and nothing else.
Still, I didn't say we should get rid of them all. They are part of our history indeed, and this pyramid's existence is well documented I'm sure. It won't last forever in any case..
I went to Perú for vacations and got to Machu Picchu (after spending some days in the cultural capital of Perú, Cuzco) after trekking 8 days of the Inka road with my father and siblings. It was hard, exhausting, difficult, dangerous (bunch of people have died during the Inka road in different situations, one murder atop one of the highest points of the trek even related to British corporation black-ops related to a large inheritance and a beneficial wedlock), and in the end we got to see some "shitty rock blocks" (as Iago calls them). In a museum we met a famous historian and painter whom carried various latinamerican tribes' blood. Me and my family talked with him for about 3 hours standing in the museum. He was well-versed, and even though he was 98 and had toured the world with his art/history expositions about 8 times, he was going for the next world tour. He was quite lucid. It was eye-opening.
It's different though, that place has an indescribable amount of energy you'll never understand, which honestly, is lamentable for the short-sighted people of your kind. [b]The trekking part brought jobs to at least a hundred native peruvians who carried all the tents and cooking elements and shit, they had social benefits and "porters" (as they called them) welfare, a porters union in case shit went awry etc[/b]. You are an awkward corporatist insect fuck, Iago. Any sort of native ruin deserves to be preserved unless some sort of impending risk which puts lots of people at stake happens. (Required demolition, etc.)
I don't see any point in destroying national heritage.
Do you? I know you are trying to be against the current, by setting and example, and therefore feeling rad as fuck, but honestly that position is 100% senseless and would actually ruin all kind of tourism profits that could be brought in by the Peruvian government.
There's still thousands of Inkan secrets not revealed. The amount of shit they pulled, their architecture, etc. was strategical as fuck and provided most-positive conditions than the Peruvians have to deal with right now.
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