Hope mine is one of those. It's damn sad to see it die out.
[QUOTE=parket;36458036]Anyone who views language solely as a form of communication is horribly oversimplifying their significance, try actually learning a different language and reading some literature or poetry in it. A completely different sense of tone, timing and mood is present which would be otherwise unachievable were it translated to english. Enforcing people to learn english when they shouldn't need to is a bad idea, look at china or sweden. It bleeds into the native tongue and ruins a completely different and unique entity.[/QUOTE]
I know five languages with varied amount of skill; Czech, Slovakian (pretty much compatible with Czech), English, German and Russian.
I am still absolutely for a single arbitrary shared language, I won't care if it's English even though it's not my maternal.
As I said, you want extra languages for diversity, poetry and whatever - fine - learn them as extra languages. Nobody will stop you. There should still exist one shared base for everyone.
I'm from Aragon and I've never ever heard of Aragonese until I read it was one of the languages in my province. I'm fine with Spanish, German and English.
If only it was possible to have one unified language without having everyone thinking other languages are useless.
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what.
( its in the USA :wtc: )[/QUOTE]
They have a shitton of casinos out there. We pass Kickapoo on the drive through Oklahoma.
Seriously, stand next to one casino, and you can spot three others looking in one direction.
[QUOTE=Maximo13;36458613]I'm from Aragon and I've never ever heard of Aragonese until I read it was one of the languages in my province. I'm fine with Spanish, German and English.[/QUOTE]
I can't be the only one who read that as Aragorn.
ITT: Monolinguals who can't be moved to learn a second language.
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;36457763]Kickapoo was a native american tribe
We learned about them in 3rd Grade. It was awesome[/QUOTE]
I bet everyone in class couldn't stop making jokes.
[QUOTE=parket;36457625]yeah lets murder all black people too that way there won't be any black people to hate
[editline]23rd June 2012[/editline]
I mean how can you not see the benefits of cultural diversity, are you that deprived of the outside world? jesus christ[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about LANGUAGE
Culture, race, and beliefs, we MUST preserve, rather than language, preserve language, but make more mainstream languages more common. Language and diversity is bad, and we do need to limit it, but not force people "Just because they're different"
also lets murder you for not understanding any of the post I made and being blind. You completely missed the point.
[QUOTE=parket;36457862]Then stop being a lazy doucher and learn the other language, instead of forcing them all to "unify" under what is conveniently yours.[/QUOTE]
I never meant to force them either personally, just allow everyone who doesn't understand european+asian+american maintream languages the education they'd need in order to understand the languages
[QUOTE=AK'z;36457986]Although you're KIND OF right, I prefer this world to be cultural and diverse.
But if all did learn English as a second language, then it'd be okay.
However, if it became the only language, this world would be incredibly dull.
[editline]23rd June 2012[/editline]
That's pathetic.
[editline]23rd June 2012[/editline]
They do die out naturally, preserving them is essential for historical context, but there is no need to be against diversity at all.
Small villages have their own language, and it's nice to know that they are happy.[/QUOTE]
Good, they can have their language. But if that said small village wants it, we can also teach them second language. (watch as someone says "No you can't force it) Not saying to force it, just have it out there in case it's need, if they're not and it's fine, obviously there's no need.
[QUOTE=J!NX;36457464]...except that racial / language diversity is whats causing a massive amount of grief and hate...
we need to limit diversity in the sense that we have most people keep their native language but also learn a mainstream language, and have everyone understand different cultures and races. Otherwise, people who can't understand X people will hate on them because of that.
and the reason these languages are dying out is because they're becoming more useless. The more people speak the less languages the better. I'm not saying actively eliminate languages or people, you should preserve them in text, but if they're dying out, let it be.[/QUOTE]
There will be always grief and hate and competition no matter what you do, it's just human nature.
[QUOTE=the-dutch-guy;36459069]ITT: Monolinguals who can't be moved to learn a second language.[/QUOTE]
As I said. I know five. I still want one for everyone.
And I don't care which one it will be, at all.
Hell, even if it was a completely new language, if I had the guarantee everyone else will really speak it, I would learn it as 6th.
[QUOTE=J!NX;36457464]...except that racial / language diversity is whats causing a massive amount of grief and hate...
we need to limit diversity in the sense that we have most people keep their native language but also learn a mainstream language, and have everyone understand different cultures and races. Otherwise, people who can't understand X people will hate on them because of that.
and the reason these languages are dying out is because they're becoming more useless. The more people speak the less languages the better. I'm not saying actively eliminate languages or people, you should preserve them in text, but if they're dying out, let it be.[/QUOTE]
Yea we should all switch to X language and choose the same ideals.
the problem is, someone's culture has to become the dominant one in this system.
people must be allowed to preserve their national identities, including their language, and rather than adapting a part of someone elses identity into our own, i'd much rather have a whole new language.
facepunch as a whole has about 40 percent native english speakers (iirc from someones research in a thread year or two back, other nationalities iirc have under 10~ percent representation each.) so FP's popular opinion on what culture should become the globally dominant one is pretty easy to guess.
Edit: i even remember one debate about this where people generally agreed that the language should be english, who cares if french is spoken in most of africa or if spanish is being talked in shitloads of countries as atleast one of the official languages or if the most part of worlds populace speaks chinese. english is a hugely popular language for business and this makes it obv the most important.
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Good, they can have their language. But if that said small village wants it, we can also teach them second language. (watch as someone says "No you can't force it) Not saying to force it, just have it out there in case it's need, if they're not and it's fine, obviously there's no need.[/QUOTE]
I like your view, but this seems to view that English should be the language that worldwide needs to be known. Which is where I see this going 50 years down the line, there just isn't the freedom to be purely cultural any more. It's all politics and dullards wanted complete equality like robots.
It's a slightly overboard reply to your view, but I like to talk. :)
[QUOTE=smeismastger;36459270]There will be always grief and hate and competition no matter what you do, it's just human nature.[/QUOTE]
might as well try and dampen it the best you can, you know?
[QUOTE=AK'z;36459721]I like your view, but this seems to view that English should be the language that worldwide needs to be known. Which is where I see this going 50 years down the line, there just isn't the freedom to be purely cultural any more. It's all politics and dullards wanted complete equality like robots.
It's a slightly overboard reply to your view, but I like to talk. :)[/QUOTE]
It's not about English, just what's closest to the small village that's main stream. If it's in africa, they learn the most common african language, and so on.
English is nice but, who he hell is going to need it in the middle of Russia / India / Africa / Europe? Universal doesn't always make it better, depending on the situation, from what I know it's even pretty hard to learn if it's not a native tongue..
Definitely right there.
This is the first time I've heard of Google.org
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what.
( its in the USA :wtc: )[/QUOTE]
Koro is a funny name for language, considering that it also means [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_(medicine)]something else[/url].
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;36458407]State of the Vatican City does.[/QUOTE]
They do so because there are people from all over the world in there, they use one language known to everyone.
I think it's extremely important to keep multiple languages around.
There's more to language than communication and poetry and expressing your feelings because different languages have different rhythms or whatever.
To put it simply, your native language governs your thought processes and entire perception of the world. Take for example, some Amazon and Aboriginal tribes. Their languages don't have specific numbers, so they don't think about amounts in the same way English speakers do.
If we begin speaking a single language, that would be very, very bad. We would become locked into only that language's way of thinking. Communication might be easier, but it would be intellectually devastating.
If a single language is what the world is going to end up speaking, it shouldn't be English or any other regular language. We should try to change the world to start speaking a language that is specifically designed to make the human mind function optimally.
i think a lot of people are misunderstanding
when we say "one world language" we're not meaning kill all other languages
yeah you can have your own language and speak it around others who know it, but you should also know a dominant language to effectively communicate in more heavily populated, diverse areas
ie, language barriers fucking suck
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;36457442]what? that's incredibly stupid. diversity is a good thing killing it is a bad thing[/QUOTE]
Imagine how much easier communication would be with only one language in the world.
As an amateur linguist, this is really fucking cool.
[QUOTE=the-dutch-guy;36459069]ITT: Monolinguals who can't be moved to learn a second language.[/QUOTE]
You can't be serious. If I know English and Russian, and I go over to Russia where people know Russian and English, it's all fine and good. It might take me 5 years to master Russian though, probably more.
Problem is, if I go over the Africa and people only know Afrikaans and Arabic, that's a problem. Then I have to learn Afrikaans and Arabic, and if I go over to India I have to learn Indian, it applies everywhere. Theres too many languages in the world to be able to say "lol just learn a 2nd and alls good." You'd have to learn a LOT of languages to be able to go from country to country and have a basic conversation with someone.
This is where we have to decide if we should elect one main language that the entire world should learn. You can keep all your other languages and speak them any time if you wan't, but it would make things much simpler in the world when anybody anywhere can communicate. Be it chinese, english, russian, whatever. The point isn't eliminating all languages until there is only one, it's making one language the main language.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;36464289]Imagine how much easier communication would be with only one language in the world.[/QUOTE]
Imagine a single world culture. That's not fun.
I find it odd that Inuit and Jutlandish are listed. It's sort of understandable with Inuit, although I find it odd they list some of it in Denmark. Jutlandish is just stupid, though. It's a dialict, not a language.
[QUOTE=Sam xD;36457206]While it's better for the world to be united under 1 or a few common languages, this feature sounds really cool.[/QUOTE]
Ein Volk
Ein Reich
Ein Sprache
[editline]24th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;36464632]You can't be serious. If I know English and Russian, and I go over to Russia where people know Russian and English, it's all fine and good. It might take me 5 years to master Russian though, probably more.
Problem is, if I go over the Africa and people only know Afrikaans and Arabic, that's a problem. Then I have to learn Afrikaans and Arabic, and if I go over to India I have to learn Indian, it applies everywhere. Theres too many languages in the world to be able to say "lol just learn a 2nd and alls good." You'd have to learn a LOT of languages to be able to go from country to country and have a basic conversation with someone.
This is where we have to decide if we should elect one main language that the entire world should learn. You can keep all your other languages and speak them any time if you wan't, but it would make things much simpler in the world when anybody anywhere can communicate. Be it chinese, english, russian, whatever. The point isn't eliminating all languages until there is only one, it's making one language the main language.[/QUOTE]
we think in language. if we enforce or spread 1 language on the world (it would be english, no doubt), then all our cultural significance would be forced onto those other cultures who have their OWN culture that may not want OUR culture. Language is a cornerstone of human psychology, and forcing the language of the neurotic onto all countries in the world would make jack a dull boy
If a language is on the brink of extinction we just need to archive the fundamentals of the language incase we need to translate something in the future, then just let the language take its natural course from there...
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