Xbox One and PS4 are a generation ahead of the best PC, says EA CTO
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PC hardware constantly iterates, console hardware is just a snapshot in time of the best hardware available. Even if this was true, it wouldn't be for long.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;40752962]Technically, he is right. If developers could make full use of the hardware right now then they would likely be capable of doing more than with a current high-end PC setup. However, that just isn't possible. Even with the Xbox 360's relatively accessible hardware, it took years for developers to eke out every last drop of processing power and memory, and the same will happen with this generation. You can see it already with the Unreal Engine 4 demo on the PS4; it had reduced particles, less shadows, lower resolution shadows, and simpler lighting than the PC demo. So while this is a technically correct statement, it isn't a realistic reflection of how the games will end up.[/QUOTE]
And by the time they're making full use of the hardware the PC will likely have had a few significant jumps in performance too. That said, the next gen consoles technically trump my PC and will for awhile because I don't upgrade until I start having pisspoor performance.
i last upgraded my PC like 2 years ago and i still have better specs
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40752982]And by the time they're making full use of the hardware the PC will likely have had a few significant jumps in performance too. That said, the next gen consoles technically trump my PC and will for awhile because I don't upgrade until I start having pisspoor performance.[/QUOTE]
You're correct. So while this statement is probably true, it's pretty much redundant.
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;40752941]That is impossible because consoles are actually computers, with basically computer hardware.[/QUOTE]
Although this claim is outrageous, there is a bit of truth behind the fact that you can get more out of similar hardware on a console. Consoles are optimized to do one and only one thing, play videogames, while the computers are meant to do so many more different things. Plus computer OSs must be compatible with all sorts of processors and components, in consoles, there is only one set of components they need to optimize for and so they can take a lot more advantage of the power of CPUs and GPUs.
They mean in the price range, you sillies.
[QUOTE=gungar;40752815]They wish.
PC MASTER RACE[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;40752812]How about no?[/QUOTE]
The Xbox 360 performed comparably with capable, dedicated gaming PCs, using only half a gig of RAM, a slow tri-core processor, and a graphics card comparable to a Radeon x1800. The key is in optimization of the system, both on a software level and on a hardware level. Consoles are designed from the ground up to play games.
Or do you think a PC from Best Buy with those specs would be able to run Crysis?
With a given set of hardware specs, the console will perform far better than a comparable PC. This isn't rocket science here. Given that the specs on these new consoles are comparable to a high-end PC right now, I think it's safe to say that they'll be better at playing games than almost all gaming computers currently out there.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;40753007]They mean in the price range, you sillies.[/QUOTE]
then i am certain he would've wrote that instead of talking about performance and hardware tests
[QUOTE=catbarf;40753012][B]The Xbox 360 performed comparably with capable, dedicated gaming PCs,[/B] using only half a gig of RAM, a slow tri-core processor, and a graphics card comparable to a Radeon x1800. The key is in optimization of the system, both on a software level and on a hardware level. Consoles are designed from the ground up to play games.
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It hasn't since like, 2008.
[QUOTE=catbarf;40753012]The Xbox 360 performed comparably with capable, dedicated gaming PCs, using only half a gig of RAM, a slow tri-core processor, and a graphics card comparable to a Radeon x1800. The key is in optimization of the system, both on a software level and on a hardware level. Consoles are designed from the ground up to play games.
Or do you think a PC from Best Buy with those specs would be able to run Crysis?
With a given set of hardware specs, the console will perform far better than a comparable PC. This isn't rocket science here. Given that the specs on these new consoles are comparable to a high-end PC right now, I think it's safe to say that they'll be better at playing games than almost all gaming computers currently out there.[/QUOTE]
And a lot of games are designed with hardware of the current-gen consoles in mind. With complete knowledge about each console's hardware, the devs can meticulously tweak their games to squeeze as many frames per second out as possible. You could do the same for every thinkable configuration of PC hardware, but it wouldn't be feasible to the same extent. It's not just about consoles being "dedicated machines", it's about the games as well.
Well at least games on PC won't be held back so much by console's shortcomings.
the pc I just built yesterday is already significantly better than the next gen consoles.
where do they get their highend computers, gateway?
When i see stories like this, i load up the Apple website, go to the shop, customize a computer, then laugh.
the computer ive upgraded over the years is still leagues more powerful
the relevance of a console is not in relative power and it's never been true that the most powerful console was the most popular each gen. I see the Wii U as the most interesting system because of the unique approach to user interaction. I feel like they took the motion control design philosophy from the original wii and perfected it. I also think MS did the same with the One's Kinect but I don't personally find that to be an interesting system. Definitely respect their approach though!
Nvidia would like a word with these guys.
[URL="http://www.nvidia.com/titan-graphics-card"]Ahem.[/URL]
From what I gather the PS4 has a HD 8800 series radeon equivalent, how the fuck is that 'generations ahead' when it's not even the best single gpu in terms of performance.
they say things like this because they want people to buy into the console market rather than actually understand computers.
[QUOTE=whatthe;40752923]
x86 doesn't mean 32bit. Please people, get your facts straight![/QUOTE]
Uh yes it does?
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;40753478]Uh yes it does?[/QUOTE]
we're used to say x86 and x64, but we should actually be saying x86-32 and x86-64
(unless I'm mistaken and got it wrong)
Does everyone here have 8core cpus or what? Because I'm getting such impression.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;40753630]Does everyone here have 8core cpus or what? Because I'm getting such impression.[/QUOTE]
An 8-core CPU is not twice as fast as a 4-core CPU in practice.
I wonder if he actually believes this
At first I thought they meant a PC with the same price as the PS4/Xb1 which is like what, 400-600$. But then they started talking about the consoles being way ahead of the highest end PC.
How far could ones head be up ones ass to say something like this?
It honestly takes seconds of google to find a PC gaming rig better than the consoles.
[QUOTE=acds;40753055]It hasn't since like, 2008.[/QUOTE]
So what? Did somebody say the Xbox One will be better than all gaming PCs in 2016?
Here, now, close to release, it has specs that would make for a high-end computer. But it's not a computer, it's a console designed and optimized from the ground up for gaming, and games are going to be better optimized for it than for any PC.
Good god, PC gamers should be [i]wanting[/i] this console to be better than current PCs, so we're not stuck with developers having to neuter their games to work on an outdated console five years down the road.
[QUOTE=booster;40753716]It honestly takes seconds of google to find a PC gaming rig better than the consoles.[/QUOTE]
Because with your ample experience with the Xbox One you know exactly how well it will perform, right? You're not just comparing high-level specs on the assumption that parts between manufacturers and series work exactly the same, and that consoles and PCs work exactly the same, right?
Numbers are not the be-all and end-all of computing power. My CPU is 3.6Ghz and has access to 4GB of RAM and my GPU is 607Mhz and 1.25GB of RAM, yet my GPU is much better at some forms of processing than my CPU is. Why do you suppose that is?
There are so many more factors at work than just raw clock speed, core count, or memory capacity. I don't understand why people need to be reminded of this because it's [I]blindingly obvious[/I] when you look at the capabilities of a 360 or PS3 that there's more going on than just the raw specs.
[QUOTE=catbarf;40753718]So what? Did somebody say the Xbox One will be better than all gaming PCs in 2016?
Here, now, close to release, it has specs that would make for a high-end computer. But it's not a computer, it's a console designed and optimized from the ground up for gaming, and games are going to be better optimized for it than for any PC.
Good god, PC gamers should be [i]wanting[/i] this console to be better than current PCs, so we're not stuck with developers having to neuter their games to work on an outdated console five years down the road.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, from what I've seen, it's not optimized from the ground up to play games. It's built from the ground up to be an overpriced television remote with some upgraded LOD on graphics and a different controller
I'm not sure, but I think this article discusses that "revolutionary architecture" that supposedly puts the next-gen consoles (or at least the PS4, as stated in this article) ahead of PC's.
[url]http://www.bradfordtaylor.com/insert-blank-press-start/ps4-vs-the-great-discord/[/url]
Apparently PS4 has APU architecture that puts the CPU and GPU on the same chip, eliminating the latency created by buses and permitting new levels of parallel computation? I'm not wholly sure what to make of it.
What's it with EA not knowing what the fuck they're talking about recently?
i always find funny the argument "the console games are optmized to the console hardware and they use all the processing power of the console and thats why consoles are better than pcs".
because its basicly saying the console hardware is better thanks to the software, while you trying to compare the hardware.
At the time the specs were announced, then maybe you might have almost been right. But you got passed shortly after that and have been slowly falling behind ever since.
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