iran doesn't want to modernize themselves through the justice system because modern justice emphasizes personal liberty and individualism
everyone who has power in iran benefits from a traditional collectivist structure where there are top people with power and bottom people with no power
[QUOTE=thisispain;26660665]iran doesn't want to modernize themselves through the justice system because modern justice emphasizes personal liberty and individualism
everyone who has power in iran benefits from a traditional collectivist structure where there are top people with power and bottom people with no power[/QUOTE]
You are a good poster, just saying.
I have to agree with aydin, I don't see that much wrong with this to be honest. It's fair, to say the least.
[QUOTE=aydin690;26660661]lol. Like what? A prison sentence? So, he goes to prison for a few years, get released and still remains the same douchebag that he was a few years back.
What you guys fail to see is that he ruined that taxi driver's life forever.[/QUOTE]
Except he's not the same douchebag, that's the whole point of going to prison.
Prison teaches you if you fuck up, you're going to get raped and beat up in prison for being a weak pussy (which he probably is). You spend years of your life in a cell in shitty conditions doing nothing, while your friends and family are making the most of their time on Earth.
Unless you're some gang-banging retard you don't want to go to prison.
There's also the rehabilitating part, but I have doubts about how affective Iran is at doing that, but if you look to European countries with good Prison systems, like Norway, they have low crime rates, and put a lot of money into their prisons.
[QUOTE=aydin690;26660661]lol. Like what? A prison sentence? So, he goes to prison for a few years, get released and still remains the same douchebag that he was a few years back. [/QUOTE]
We've learned over the last thousands of years that a retributive justice system doesn't work well for the society. And neither does just sticking someone in jail.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26660708]Except he's not the same douchebag, that's the whole point of going to prison.
Prison teaches you if you fuck up, you're going to get raped and beat up in prison for being a weak pussy (which he probably is).
Unless you're some gang-banging retard you don't want to go to prison.
There's also the rehabilitating part, but I have doubts about how affective Iran is at doing that, but if you look to European countries with good Prison systems, like Norway, they have low crime rates, and put a lot of money into their prisons.[/QUOTE]
You've watched way too many movies...
[QUOTE=aydin690;26660697]You are a good poster, just saying.[/QUOTE]
i don't agree with you but thank you
[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Vinze;26659889]"Gee, Vinze, why so much against middle-eastern influence in Europe?"
[/QUOTE]
it's ironic because middle-eastern law was critically important for the development of european law
[QUOTE=aydin690;26660727]You've watched way too many movies...[/QUOTE]
1.4% to 2.5% in a civilized country like the US is undoubtedly going to shoot up in Iran.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape[/url]
And that's assuming people told the truth, there is obviously a pride issue at hand, so the real percentage is probably higher.
[QUOTE=cryticfarm;26658130]old testemant and leviticus
does not apply properly anymore[/QUOTE]
What does apply? The bits of mythology don't carry over? The laws? How is it the Old Testament when you don't abide by anything from it?
[QUOTE=Midas22;26657623]And the wife shall be stoned for having an affair.[/QUOTE]
This, and the article could be taken a totally different way.
Instead of corrosive acid, the drug acid.
Instead of throwing rocks (being stoned) they give the woman weed :v:
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;26658546]Too bad it isn't 1 murder = death sentence[/QUOTE]
uhh, and you base this on what? you can get the death penalty for murdering one person.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;26660560]Also, wonderfully progressive Facepunch. What if this man is innocent? You don't get to take back blinding someone.
[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]
This man obviously has no job and will never do anything good in the future. He just throws acid in people's faces all day.[/QUOTE]
I think the disfigureing people with acid part outweighs whatever he happens to do for a living. I'd take one less guy doing a job if that meant one less insane acid thrower.
Employees can be replaced, acid burned faces cannot, its his face or several other peoples.
[QUOTE=JDK721;26660978]you can get the death penalty for murdering one person.[/QUOTE]
Which makes perfect sense and is totally fine.
[QUOTE=Novistador;26661029]I think the disfigureing people with acid part outweighs whatever he happens to do for a living. I'd take one less guy doing a job if that meant one less insane acid thrower.
Employees can be replaced, acid burned faces cannot, its his face or several other peoples.[/QUOTE]
You assume both his guilt and that he's insane. People will do crazy things when provoked or enraged.
Punishing them like this is useless, unnecessary and cruel.
[QUOTE=JDK721;26660978]uhh, and you base this on what? you can get the death penalty for murdering one person.[/QUOTE]
Yeah
If you torture and rape them, in such an unbelievably awful fashion.
But even then all they do is kill you, nicely and painlessly (relatively for sure) so it isn't "eye for an eye"
If it's eye for an eye, does he get to sleep with the defendants wife before they throw acid in his eyes?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;26661432]Yeah
If you torture and rape them, in such an unbelievably awful fashion.
But even then all they do is kill you, nicely and painlessly (relatively for sure) so it isn't "eye for an eye"[/QUOTE]
Don't just spew nonsense everywhere, show some facts like so.
The death penalty has several key factors that need to be present in order seek that as a conviction, and it varies from state to state. For example: In my state of Colorado it needs to be First-degree murder with at least 1 of 17 aggravating factors; first-degree kidnapping resulting in death; or treason.
In another state such as California it needs to be First-degree murder with special circumstances such as sabotage, train wrecking causing death, treason, perjury causing execution of an innocent person, and/or fatal assault by a prisoner serving a life sentence.
The last example I will use will be good ol' Texas, where the crime needs to be Criminal homicide with 1 of 9 aggravating circumstances (Tex. Penal Code § 19.03).
Seeking the death penalty is a very complicated process and requires several special circumstances to coincide with the main criminal offense such as Murder or kidnapping resulting in death.
[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=matt54;26661470]If it's eye for an eye, does he get to sleep with the defendants wife before they throw acid in his eyes?[/QUOTE]
He already did.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;26661539]Don't just spew nonsense everywhere, show some facts like so.
The death penalty has several key factors that need to be present in order seek that as a conviction, and it varies from state to state. For example: In my state of Colorado it needs to be First-degree murder with at least 1 of 17 aggravating factors; first-degree kidnapping resulting in death; or treason.
In another state such as California it needs to be First-degree murder with special circumstances such as sabotage, train wrecking causing death, treason, perjury causing execution of an innocent person, and/or fatal assault by a prisoner serving a life sentence.
The last example I will use will be good ol' Texas, where the crime needs to be Criminal homicide with 1 of 9 aggravating circumstances (Tex. Penal Code § 19.03).
Seeking the death penalty is a very complicated process and requires several special circumstances to coincide with the main criminal offense such as Murder or kidnapping resulting in death.
[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]
He already did.[/QUOTE]
Well I did look but I suck at finding that kinda stuff, but thank you
[QUOTE=aydin690;26661132]Which makes perfect sense and is totally fine.[/QUOTE]
And then it turns out he was innocent. Good job killing an innocent person then, that totally brings justice.
Eye for an eye doesn't work, there's a reason why we don't use that system anymore.
[QUOTE=aydin690;26661132]Which makes perfect sense and is totally fine.[/QUOTE]
elaborate
[QUOTE=JDK721;26661853]elaborate[/QUOTE]
I dunno, that comment blindsided me.
[QUOTE=JDK721;26661853]elaborate[/QUOTE]
It's very simple. You took a life, you don't deserve to live.
[QUOTE=aydin690;26662411]It's very simple. You took a life, you don't deserve to live.[/QUOTE]
so we should execute the murderer of the murderer too?
[QUOTE=JDK721;26662507]so we should execute the murderer of the murderer too?[/QUOTE]
Oh you so witty... NOT.
[QUOTE=aydin690;26662520]Oh you so witty... NOT.[/QUOTE]
Answer his question
[QUOTE=aydin690;26662411]It's very simple. You took a life, you don't deserve to live.[/QUOTE]
so you agree with the iranian justice system, i.e you took someones eyesight, you don't deserve to see?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26662545]Answer his question[/QUOTE]
K, if you're gonna go there...
We'll build a robot that executes them with zero human involvement.
[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]
But seriously, no, the executioner is just executing the law/court order.
[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;26662759]so you agree with the iranian justice system, i.e you took someones eyesight, you don't deserve to see?[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes, i do. I believe you missed the second page:
[QUOTE=aydin690;26660463]Actually, it makes sense. An eye for an eye. It's better than the typical prison sentences that serve no purpose. He blinded a taxi driver who relied on his vision for a living and now he has to face the consequences.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;26657737]Because Iran would listen to Ghandi's reasoning. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I bet they would begin listening when the U.S starts dropping JDAMs on them.
[editline]13th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=The golden;26662934]I believe in this system, especially for murder cases.
Think about it: Do really want to pay taxes so the man who murdered your beloved wife can sit in prison and be given shelter and food?[/QUOTE]
...and get raped in the ass.
[QUOTE=aydin690;26662774]
But seriously, no, the executioner is just executing the law/court order.
[/QUOTE]
Nazi soldiers who worked at the camps aren't guilty of murder then right
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26663004]Nazi soldiers who worked at the camps aren't guilty of murder then right[/QUOTE]
I believe they aren't.
[editline]12th December 2010[/editline]
They had no other choice. They were just following orders.
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