Donald Trump now beats Hillary Clinton one suspect poll
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50243869]How avid and staunch Hilary supporters don't see this is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I do honestly think that Trump is right about Hillary basically riding on the woman card. If she were exactly the same in every way, but a man and not married to Bill, she would never have been the nominee.
[editline]2nd May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50243858]idk, all she'd really need to do is mention his tiny baby fingers and he'd go on a 5 hour long tirade about how his fingers are perfectly normal size for a man. Making him look somewhat insane and providing the rest of the world one last piece of comedy before he ruins international relations between everbody and the USA.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that she would make herself look like a joke in the process. Trump would have the excuse of defending himself, but she would look like a fool who brought up his fingers. That's exactly what happened to Rubio and his idiotic comment on Trump's dick.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50243896]The problem is that she would make herself look like a joke in the process. Trump would have the excuse of defending himself, but she would look like a fool who brought up his fingers. That's exactly what happened to Rubio and his idiotic comment on Trump's dick.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, I didn't expect it to save her. Just to let me see a flustered Trump again. Watching frauds lose their shit is good fun.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50243896]I do honestly think that Trump is right about Hillary basically riding on the woman card. If she were exactly the same in every way, but a woman and not married to Bill, she would never have been the nominee.[/QUOTE]
If she gets in I'm fairly certain she'll be out in four years, and then Trump definitely gets in because he runs every year and having four years for Hillary to "Show her true colors" will almost hand him the win unless the DNC puts up an actually viable contender (which they won't).
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50243869]How avid and staunch Hilary supporters don't see this is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Hillary has been on the defensive for over 15 years against Republicans, Trump isn't going to break her, and I think her supporters believe the same. I highly doubt someone who stomached an 11-hour Benghazi hearing is going to go down easily.
[QUOTE=Leo the Leo;50243930]Hillary has been on the defensive for over 15 years against Republicans, Trump isn't going to break her. I highly doubt someone who stomached an 11-hour Benghazi hearing is going to go down easily.[/QUOTE]
Eventually the straw will break the camel's back.
[QUOTE=Leo the Leo;50243930]Hillary has been on the defensive for over 15 years against Republicans, Trump isn't going to break her, and I think her supporters believe the same. I highly doubt someone who stomached an 11-hour Benghazi hearing is going to go down easily.[/QUOTE]
well I'm glad you're so certain of that
But I don't know why you are.
Yes, she has endured quite a bit. And, conversely, she's done quite a bit of shit.
So why do you expect her to be able to roll over Donald Trump when she couldn't even take the lightest of fact checkings from Bernie? And you think she's going to just take that? Did you see how she reacted to Bernie literally just fact checking her and reminding her of the real past? She flipped shit.
She will flip shit against the king of flipping shit, and she'll lose.
[QUOTE=Leo the Leo;50243930]Hillary has been on the defensive for over 15 years against Republicans, Trump isn't going to break her, and I think her supporters believe the same. I highly doubt someone who stomached an 11-hour Benghazi hearing is going to go down easily.[/QUOTE]
I have no doubt that he won't break her personally, but that's a totally different question than breaking her politically. The vast majority of people have no idea about all the crap that Hillary's done in her life and you can bet that Trump won't allow that to stay the case.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50243953]I have no doubt that he won't break her personally, but that's a totally different question than breaking her politically. The vast majority of people have no idea about all the crap that Hillary's done in her life and you can bet that Trump won't allow that to stay the case.[/QUOTE]
See, that's the thing. Bernie brings it up as politely as he can, Trump will blare it 24/7 and all the news sites will report on it simply because it's Donald Trump. Hillary hasn't really gone up against someone with a similar amount of media exposure, much less someone with more of it.
Donald Trump is first and foremost a media personality, he knows the media game better than Clinton could ever dream. That's how he has managed to do so well when by all rights he shouldn't be in the race to begin with. And he knows how to spin it and manipulate it to his advantage at every turn.
[QUOTE=Reshy;50243970]See, that's the thing. Bernie brings it up as politely as he can, Trump will blare it 24/7 and all the news sites will report on it simply because it's Donald Trump. Hillary hasn't really gone up against someone with a similar amount of media exposure, much less someone with more of it.[/QUOTE]
Trump's already picked his name for her: crooked Hillary. He'll go on every single news network and call her that over and over with a few examples of her doing something crooked until there's an unavoidable narrative. That's exactly how he destroyed Bush with his narrative of "low energy."
[QUOTE=sgman91;50243993]Trump's already picked his name for her: crooked Hillary. He'll go on every single news network and call her that over and over with a few examples of her doing something crooked until there's an unavoidable narrative. That's exactly how he destroyed Bush with his narrative of "low energy."[/QUOTE]
I'd probably have done with "Crooked Clinton" since it rolls off the tongue, but I digress. Hillary Clinton is also rather low-energy, she doesn't excite her base and (if I recall correctly) has told her supporters on previous occasions to "tone it down."
[QUOTE=Reshy;50244007]I'd probably have done with "Crooked Clinton" since it rolls off the tongue, but I digress. Hillary Clinton is also rather low-energy, she doesn't excite her base and (if I recall correctly) has told her supporters on previous occasions to "tone it down."[/QUOTE]
It wasn't her supporters. She was speaking at the Sanders campaign for factual evidence of her lies.
Also, very low energy.
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[QUOTE=phygon;49932682]Here's what's going to happen
Donald trump is going to pour $$$ into a well researched and completely true smear campaign, fuck the shit out of her politically, and then well have president trump
Are you fucking ready[/QUOTE]
still calling this
[QUOTE=sgman91;50243953]I have no doubt that he won't break her personally, but that's a totally different question than breaking her politically. The vast majority of people have no idea about all the crap that Hillary's done in her life and you can bet that Trump won't allow that to stay the case.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree. If there's one thing Trump excels at, it's tiling up outrage. Hell, that's the cornerstone of his campaign. Not only does Clinton have a ton of dirt, but she responds poorly to criticism and accusations. Clinton's image has suffered pretty heavily even at the hands of Bernie's relately soft "assaults." Under fire from Trump, who is considerably less concerned with the truth, Clinton will be publicly skewered.
I don't think Trump will win, but I do at least suspect that this going to be an historically vicious campaign cycle,.
[QUOTE=phygon;50244035]still calling this[/QUOTE]
Would this really work though?
How well would it be received by the media when there are already a lot of preconceptions about him?
Most of his success, as far as I can tell, is about being simple and hyperbolic. Unless he's able to incorporate that I doubt it would work.
If the convention is contested this helps Bernie. He can convince superdelegates that Hillary isn't a safe bet for the nomination, while he beats Trump by double digits
[QUOTE=phygon;50244035]still calling this[/QUOTE]
Trump has never been overly concerned with the truth. Remember that he was one of the loudest voices in the ridiculous "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim" conspiracy.
Trump's only concern with truth is whether it will hurt him or help him. Of course I would probably say something similar about Hillary.
Watching the elections is going to be one ass-clenching affair
[QUOTE=Orkel;50244081]Watching the elections is going to be one ass-clenching affair[/QUOTE]
Personally, I've just grown very apathetic about the whole thing. Trump's a self-obsessed person totally ignorant about any and all policy, Cruz is a slimy politician who couldn't stick to the truth if his life depended on it, Sanders goes against essentially everything I believe, and Hillary is the definition of using political power to help yourself. It's not that I don't love any candidate. I actively dislike every candidate.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50244067]Trump has never been overly concerned with the truth. Remember that he was one of the loudest voices in the ridiculous "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim" conspiracy.[/QUOTE]
He can get people to believe him even when there's no factual basis. Assuming that he won't go after the facts that are there seems incredibly foolish to me- Why WOULDN'T he pursue factual leads? He's not a cartoon villain that has some sort of limitation on him telling the truth.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50244059]Would this really work though?
How well would it be received by the media when there are already a lot of preconceptions about him?
Most of his success, as far as I can tell, is about being simple and hyperbolic. Unless he's able to incorporate that I doubt it would work.[/QUOTE]
He literally bullied some of his competitors out with the narrative of "Look at him! He's a mess!". Imagine how terrible it will be when the candidate has actual, real dirt on them
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50244053]I have to agree. If there's one thing Trump excels at, it's tiling up outrage. Hell, that's the cornerstone of his campaign. Not only does Clinton have a ton of dirt, but she responds poorly to criticism and accusations. Clinton's image has suffered pretty heavily even at the hands of Bernie's relately soft "assaults." Under fire from Trump, who is considerably less concerned with the truth, Clinton will be publicly skewered.
[B]I don't think Trump will win[/B], but I do at least suspect that this going to be an historically vicious campaign cycle,.[/QUOTE]
Why? The polls indicate that he will win (or are within the margin of error) and his campaign style is literally perfectly suited for thrashing the fuck out of her.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50243950]well I'm glad you're so certain of that
But I don't know why you are.
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And I don't know why people are similarly certain that Hillary is going to crumble when faced with Trump. The Clintons are very accustomed to mudslinging. Even if he is the Republican nominee, I honestly don't see what tactics Trump could employ that no other Republican for over 10 years was able to.
[quote]So why do you expect her to be able to roll over Donald Trump when she couldn't even take the lightest of fact checkings from Bernie? And you think she's going to just take that? Did you see how she reacted to Bernie literally just fact checking her and reminding her of the real past? She flipped shit.
She will flip shit against the king of flipping shit, and she'll lose.[/quote]
I don't expect her to roll over Trump, I just don't think that because she has trouble with Bernie means she'll have significantly more trouble with Trump. I expect her to have trouble with Trump, but I don't see it as some insurmountable hurdle. People cite that she's been having trouble with Bernie, but her past has shown she has taken much worse attacks and also dished out much more vicious ones, even in her bout with Obama in 2008. Bernie's on the same side as Hillary, and she always lays it on thick about party unity (this is the person who campaigned for Obama after losing to him, despite the race being more vitriolic back then). It's hard to [I]really[/I] go on the offensive when you have to try to court your rival's voting base for you after the primary (that's why in 2008, around 50% of Hillary supporters initially said they weren't going to vote for Obama: it was more heated back then. She and the voters are heated now, but she still probably doesn't want a repeat of 2008 in the reverse). She doesn't have to worry about that as much with Trump's voting base because they are a lot harder to convert than Bernie's.
Trump is a master of flipping shit, but he has to be a lot more tactical about it when it comes to general elections. For one, the debates are more heavily moderated, so his zingers are more likely to fall on deaf ears. And more importantly, he has a bit of an uphill battle as far as women and minority voters are concerned. Certain slants against Hillary (even if she is a bitch or corrupt) could very well worsen his favorability ratings among those voters, which he can't really afford in a general election.
Trump very well could win the Presidency, but I think that would have to do more with voters finding him to be a genuinely better candidate (or at least have policies that they favor more heavily) rather than debate performance.
[QUOTE=Leo the Leo;50244507]And I don't know why people are similarly certain that Hillary is going to crumble when faced with Trump. The Clintons are very accustomed to mudslinging. Even if he is the Republican nominee, I honestly don't see what tactics Trump could employ that no other Republican for over 10 years was able to.
I don't expect her to roll over Trump, I just don't think that because she has trouble with Bernie means she'll have significantly more trouble with Trump. I expect her to have trouble with Trump, but I don't see it as some insurmountable hurdle. People cite that she's been having trouble with Bernie, but her past has shown she has taken much worse attacks and also dished out much more vicious ones, even in her bout with Obama in 2008. Bernie's on the same side as Hillary, and she always lays it on thick about party unity (this is the person who campaigned for Obama after losing to him, despite the race being more vitriolic back then). It's hard to [I]really[/I] go on the offensive when you have to try to court your rival's voting base for you after the primary (that's why in 2008, around 50% of Hillary supporters initially said they weren't going to vote for Obama: it was more heated back then. She and the voters are heated now, but she still probably doesn't want a repeat of 2008 in the reverse). She doesn't have to worry about that as much with Trump's voting base because they are a lot harder to convert than Bernie's.
Trump is a master of flipping shit, but he has to be a lot more tactical about it when it comes to general elections. For one, the debates are more heavily moderated, so his zingers are more likely to fall on deaf ears. And more importantly, he has a bit of an uphill battle as far as women and minority voters are concerned. Certain slants against Hillary (even if she is a bitch or corrupt) could very well worsen his favorability ratings among those voters, which he can't really afford in a general election.
Trump very well could win the Presidency, but I think that would have to do more with voters finding him to be a genuinely better candidate (or at least have policies that they favor more heavily) rather than debate performance.[/QUOTE]
She's not helping her chances with her money laundering scheme. Donald runs on a platform that the elections are rigged, this most recent scandal just plays right into his hands.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;50243834]Most of which still within the margin of error.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=phygon;50244099]The polls indicate that he will win (or are within the margin of error)[/QUOTE]
No, they're not. The Rasmussen poll from the OP is within the margin of error, but most of the others aren't.
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For comparison, [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html]the RCP average on May 2, 2012[/url] had Obama up 3.6 points, while [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html]at this point in 2008[/url] McCain and Obama were precisely tied on 45.4 each
[QUOTE=phygon;50244099]He can get people to believe him even when there's no factual basis. Assuming that he won't go after the facts that are there seems incredibly foolish to me- Why WOULDN'T he pursue factual leads? He's not a cartoon villain that has some sort of limitation on him telling the truth.
He literally bullied some of his competitors out with the narrative of "Look at him! He's a mess!". Imagine how terrible it will be when the candidate has actual, real dirt on them
Why? The polls indicate that he will win (or are within the margin of error) and his campaign style is literally perfectly suited for thrashing the fuck out of her.[/QUOTE]
The polls indicate that Hillary has the lead, except for this singular poll from a site with apparent bias. That said I'm not totally confident in anything at this point, I just believe that Trump is too divisive a candidate to ultimately triumph in a the broader election. Time will tell.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50245225]The polls indicate that Hillary has the lead, except for this singular poll from a site with apparent bias. That said I'm not totally confident in anything at this point, I just believe that Trump is too divisive a candidate to ultimately triumph in a the broader election. Time will tell.[/QUOTE]
Hillary though doesn't help her case, what with brushing off Bernie supporters, corruption, terrible judgement, and now accusations of money laundering.
Lest we forget that she could get indicted the second the general rolls around, and probably will.
[QUOTE=Reshy;50245257]Lest we forget that she could get indicted the second the general rolls around, and probably will.[/QUOTE]
Are people really this desperate and seriously believes this crap?
I'm kinda grateful that I'm not from the US where I chug American news everyday of my life. But then I live in a country where the Sun and the Daily Mail tops the papers
[QUOTE=Reshy;50245257]Hillary though doesn't help her case, what with brushing off Bernie supporters, corruption, terrible judgement, and now accusations of money laundering.
Lest we forget that she could get indicted the second the general rolls around, and probably will.[/QUOTE]
[I][B][U]If[/U][/B][/I] she gets indicted or the FBI recommends indictment the race will be very very close, and stability of the USA will be questionable post election. If she doesn't get indicted but the FBI recommends it you can guarantee that Republicans in congress will try to impeach her.
[QUOTE=migs42;50245445]Are people really this desperate and seriously believes this crap?
I'm kinda grateful that I'm not from the US where I chug American news everyday of my life. But then I live in a country where the Sun and the Daily Mail tops the papers[/QUOTE]
You can indict a ham sandwich, and she's been investigated for months I doubt that they'll have nothing to show after that long.
I really don't believe so many individuals, groups, and institutions would have invested so much money into a candidate who was going to be "inevitably" indicted.
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