• Texas Governor Signs Campus Carry Law, Goes In Effect August 1st
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[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49828444]Code3 has a deep history of this kind of behavior in gun threads, way too entrenched in his own beliefs tbh[/QUOTE] everyone has different opinions and beliefs, don't know how this is relevant.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49835694]everyone has different opinions and beliefs, don't know how this is relevant.[/QUOTE] It's relevant because cod3 acts like he should be the only one allowed to carry a gun, and he has an extensive post history of outright endorsing significant escalations of force by police. If he had actual reasons for his ridiculous statements, he'd just be another person with an opinion, which I wouldn't have a real problem with. Instead his his arguments are frequently nonsensical and hypocritical at best, and occasionally border on the outright sociopathic. He's one of the cops I'd genuinely rather not have the pleasure of meeting. Literally a case of acting superior because he's a cop, and us citizens should just fall in line and behave so nothing bad happens to us, because clearly we are incapable of comprehending x, y or z. It's patronizing in the extreme.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49823076]Why should I have to drive across town, drop my gun off at my house, then drive back across town to go to college if I have class after work? Or before work, requiring me to get out of school, drive across town, pick [I]up[/I] my gun from my house, then go to work? It's not that a CHL holder "needs a gun" at college (although it doesn't hurt to have responsibly armed individuals in and around places that are frequently targeted by crazies), but that a college campus isn't just a place for 18-20 somethings who are there all day and then just go home. Many adults work college into crannies in their schedules and also happen to be CHL holders who don't want to have to pick between wasting time or getting arrested. [editline]27th February 2016[/editline] If you feel "threatened" by a responsible adult with a legally acquired permit to carry a weapon (which in Texas requires a gun safety & handling course) then you are paranoid.[/QUOTE] I absolutely love how the paranoid person is the one who fears random citizens with guns and not the guy who needs one strapped to his hip before he can go out and buy some milk.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;49837437]I absolutely love how the paranoid person is the one who fears random citizens with guns and not the guy who needs one strapped to his hip before he can go out and buy some milk.[/QUOTE] Way to totally ignore the time, training, and money spent that this hypothetical person had to go through to be able to conceal or openly carry legally.
[QUOTE=download;49823035]It's fearmongering. No one will notice a difference.[/QUOTE] Why put it forward in the first place then?
[QUOTE=Britain;49837579]Why put it forward in the first place then?[/QUOTE] ...Because it will make a difference to Guy A, who is now allowed to have his concealed weapon on him when he runs into a mugger hanging just off campus at 2AM, but won't make a difference to Guy B, who is at home asleep having gone about his day as normal without running into a wild shootout, contrary to the histrionic fears of some critics? Are you somehow misconstruing 'nobody will notice the presence of concealed guns because they're concealed' as 'the ability to carry or not makes no difference for anybody'? [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=No_Excuses;49837437]the paranoid person is the one who fears random citizens with guns and not the guy who needs one strapped to his hip before he can go out and buy some milk.[/QUOTE] Statistically, yes. Even in the state of Texas, with all its yee-haw everyone-has-a-gun culture, the incidence of violent crime is higher among off-duty police officers than among licensed concealed carriers. Fearing trained and certified concealed carriers is a completely unsubstantiated fear and on a whole different plane of existence from being afraid of muggers and rapists in a dark parking lot in a bad part of town. Do you think that women keeping pepper spray or stun guns in their purses are paranoid too?
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49834546]I didn't imply any of that. I don't have any examples on hand but I do remember reading articles where people tried to stop shooters and just got others hurt. I'm not saying that police are perfect, but I'd rather trust them to stop criminals than a bystander.[/QUOTE] I wouldnt trust either completely but at least the bystander knows if they fuck up it won't just be a slap on the wrist. "job well done, shame about ur aim lol"
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49823272]whackjobs and muggers carrying guns?[/QUOTE] Does it matter if the criminal has a gun, or a knife, or even just his hands? If someone is trying to rape or mug you, regardless of the weapon they have, you having a gun is a good thing. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kommodore;49823279]HMMMMM[/QUOTE] Yeah, criminals sure do tend to use guns licensed and registered to them wait no they don't do that because that would make it easy to catch them, most criminals use illegal weapons.
Nobody needs guns unless their job requires it.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49838036]Nobody needs guns unless their job requires it.[/QUOTE] Tell that to the woman who just shot her rapist, to defend herself from being raped ( That happened in October.) Tell that to the woman who just shot the burglar(Several instances), tell that to the man who defended his house from thugs(Several instances) tell that to the police, who told me to carry( Citizens Academy, sheriff told us). Guns protect people. If you don't feel comfortable with one, then do not buy one, but do not stop me from owning something that can protect my life. The cops take 30-45 minutes to respond, and many can't call when the crime is about to or is happening.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;49837437]I absolutely love how the paranoid person is the one who fears random citizens with guns and not the guy who needs one strapped to his hip before he can go out and buy some milk.[/QUOTE] I don't need one. I'd prefer one. I don't need an umbrella to go get milk but it's nice to have one in case it rains. It's not paranoid to be confident that nothing will happen but prepared for the off chance that it does. It is paranoid to make every single person in the country an easy target because you're afraid someone might shoot you. And re: the milk scenario I realize it's a common tactic to invent scenarios where a firearm obviously is not needed and act like you've come up with the end-all be-all argument (DO YOU NEED A GUN ON YOUR HIP TO TAKE A SHOWER??? DIDN'T THINK SO! BAN GUNS!) but maybe I have to drive through a bad part of town to get to the store to get milk. Carjackings and red-light muggings are a real threat in Fort Worth and attempted murder in the process isn't exactly uncommon, either - so yes, it'd be nice to have the option to defend myself in that case, however unlikely it is that it happens to me specifically.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49838036]Nobody needs guns unless their job requires it.[/QUOTE] You can't detract a legally viable self-defense tool's merit just because it's more lethal than mace or tasers/stunguns, and saying only certain people should have guns if it's their job detracts from what this is about and is not a bit related to what you said, which is just a blanket gun statement honestly. If people want to, and have been certified by the State to do so, they should be able to concealed or open carry a firearm on them, as they have gone through the time, training, and fees to attain that PRIVILEGE. It isn't a right, like in the same vain as cars. It's not your right to drive, it's your privilege and if you can show you can legally drive, you can drive. It's the same with concealed and open carrying a weapon, can you do it in a competent manner without being a gun-toting dipshit? Well then you can open or concealed carry a firearm. All this law does is allows teachers, staff, and students on campus grounds to open or concealed carry a firearm if they are legally permitted carriers.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49838036]Nobody needs guns unless their job requires it.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://theextract.net/2016/02/25/armed-carjacking-victim-sends-13-year-old-suspect-to-trauma-center/"]Lawful gun owner injures armed 13 year old car jacker[/URL] [URL="http://www.hendersonvillelightning.com/news/4888-homeowner-shoots-at-burglar-who-pulled-gun.html"]Homeowner pulls gun on burglar after the criminal knocks his phone away and puts a gun in his face[/URL] [URL="http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/88543818-story"]Man pulls gun to stop attempted murder near workplace[/URL] Those are 3 examples from just this month.
I'm a Texan, I go to college in Texas. Ain't no big deal ya'll. People conceal carry everywhere anyways. Everyone I know has a gun, including myself. IT'S TEXAS.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49838036]Nobody needs guns unless their job requires it.[/QUOTE] Even if you were right, we don't ban everything that people don't need.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;49837437]I absolutely love how the paranoid person is the one who fears random citizens with guns and not the guy who needs one strapped to his hip before he can go out and buy some milk.[/QUOTE] Paranoia and readiness are two different things. I put my gun on my hip every day not because I'm afraid terrorists are going to shoot up my school/work. I put it on every day because I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Violence can happen anywhere, from the best and cleanest neighbourhood to the dirtiest slums in town. In my previous line of work I got to see it happen first hand every day, so quite frankly I find it nieve to be someone who thinks it'll never happen to them because "they don't go to that part of town" or "the area I live in has no crime".
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