Man with locked-in syndrome loses right-to-die case at UK High Court - Polidicks

Fucking outrageous, I am utterly furious. That said, I don't think there has ever been a case where someone has assisted suicide and been prosecuted in the UK. No jury will ever try someone if they helped someone who wanted to die.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37269984]But law works in precedents. He is allowed to take his own life, he just cant. They want it legally to be allowed that one person can take the life of an other.[/QUOTE] Yes, that's why the law is treating this as a black and white issue. Having laws that consider the context of an action is how we avoid that sort of stuff - keeping the law ignorant in this situation is a problem.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;37268951]Assisted suicide is one thing, but I don't think anyone wants to do it by drowning. Seriously, drowning is fucking horrible. Might as well have his end be painless, quick and peaceful.[/QUOTE] On the contrary, It's been discussed before that drowning is not as horrible as it seems - the moment you get water in your lungs, you, of course, feel intense pain, but in the next moment you black out, dying in the process (duh)

[QUOTE=Mr Flexi;37269911]The problem here is that he can't take his own life, someone else has to take it themselves, which is murder. That's the tricky part of all this.[/QUOTE] Were he capable of e.g. swallowing pills without help he'd do it in a heartbeat. That is what makes this very clear cut, imo: he wants to fucking die and the only reason he's not dead yet is because he can't do it himself.

"Ok so I know your life is miserable right now and you've got a thousand good reasons to want to end this but nope, deal with it, k thx bye" Actually they probably took this decision because they are afraid of the consequences of letting one man kill himself (aka tons of people asking for the same thing which would have to require the government to make *gasp* EFFORTS), but still, that is pretty fucking retarded given how painful this guy's life is right now.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;37270953]Were he capable of e.g. swallowing pills without help he'd do it in a heartbeat. That is what makes this very clear cut, imo: he wants to fucking die and the only reason he's not dead yet is because he can't do it himself.[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, I agree that he should be allowed to die. It's just a very touchy subject when we're talking about allowing immunity for a person to murder someone. I hope something works out though.

I don't think you guys realise how many problems allowing assisted suicide could possibly cause, you never know when someone might use a loophole to legally murder someone.

This should be done like Abortion, he should have 2 doctors opinions first.

I don't understand how ANYONE can watch that video posted a few posts up and say "he should carry on living".

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37271256]I don't think you guys realise how many problems allowing assisted suicide could possibly cause, you never know when someone might use a loophole to legally murder someone.[/QUOTE] Even if that's true (with the proper legislature it almost certainly is not) I don't give a shit. The [I]potential[/I] that someone could use this to kill someone, even though that kind of stuff happens already without legal framework for it, is minuscule when realising the alternative is literally taking away someone's right to die. Taking that kind of control over someone's most base right is a fucking terrifying, legal form of slavery. [editline]17th August 2012[/editline] Without the actual slavery bit ofc.

this world sucks [editline]16th August 2012[/editline] fuck it

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;37271557]Even if that's true (with the proper legislature it almost certainly is not) I don't give a shit. The [I]potential[/I] that someone could use this to kill someone, even though that kind of stuff happens already without legal framework for it, is minuscule when realising the alternative is literally taking away someone's right to die. Taking that kind of control over someone's most base right is a fucking terrifying, legal form of slavery. [editline]17th August 2012[/editline] Without the actual slavery bit ofc.[/QUOTE] They're not taking away his right to die, they're just not giving someone the legal right to kill him. I feel that the possibility of even one person dying unjustly ( and from what I've heard it has happened although I'll have to do a bit of source searching) is an absolutely justifiable reason to not make this legal.

[QUOTE=\\;37268522]What the fuck? It should be someones choice if they want to end their life. There shouldn't even have to be a court case.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Why does the state think it owns this man?

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;37268577]I've been following this man's story, I'm so sorry that the verdict came the way it did...[/QUOTE] 'Recco', why the fuck did you rate this dumb? Was it because you clicked the wrong button, or rather that you couldn't see what I actually wrote due to your eyesight being hindered by your Medieval chainmail.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;37271887]'Recco', why the fuck did you rate this dumb? Was it because you clicked the wrong button, or rather that you couldn't see what I actually wrote due to your eyesight being hindered by your Medieval chainmail.[/QUOTE] The "dumb" rating in reality is the disagree rating, because some members don't seem to understand that their opinion isn't universally right.

[QUOTE=\\;37268522]What the fuck? It should be someones choice if they want to end their life. There shouldn't even have to be a court case.[/QUOTE] It's illegal to commit suicide. Strange though, how do they punish someone who succeeds?

[QUOTE=Shiftyze;37268948]I don't understand things like this with the government. It's like we're not allowed to do anything with our body without permission when we are our own permission. Just like what we consume is by their okay.[/QUOTE] Because the issue isn't allowing him to kill himself. The issue is that someone else has to kill him. Which currently cannot be done without getting branded a murderer by the law. On top of that since it's a conscious choice not done distroughly there's an issue with not being able to be liberated.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37271943]The "dumb" rating in reality is the disagree rating, because some members don't seem to understand that their opinion isn't universally right.[/QUOTE] I still say this ridiculous image should only be local to LMAO Pics/Fast Threads or perhaps even removed. It has no place anywhere else other than to cheapen actual discussion by reminding us just how many unintelligent/uneducated kids are actually here...

[QUOTE=Jurikuer;37271964]It's illegal to commit suicide. Strange though, how do they punish someone who succeeds?[/QUOTE] It used to be because they thought it was satanic or something, but I think that they just kept it illegal as it lets them take the body in to test for evidence of foul play and so on, thesedays.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;37271887]'Recco', why the fuck did you rate this dumb? Was it because you clicked the wrong button, or rather that you couldn't see what I actually wrote due to your eyesight being hindered by your Medieval chainmail.[/QUOTE] He also rated the OP funny.

This whole story makes me hurt on the inside. That's so fucking sad.

If somebody learned of this and, without warning, walks up to this guy one day and shoots him in the head... Would you guys say that's doing a good deed? In this case, I'd say yeah.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;37271887]'Recco', why the fuck did you rate this dumb? Was it because you clicked the wrong button, or rather that you couldn't see what I actually wrote due to your eyesight being hindered by your Medieval chainmail.[/QUOTE] Just ignore Recco, he rates terrible and disgusting news stories funny just to annoy people.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;37272074]The guy already has no control over his own body, and they go and deny him control over his Life? Fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] I think an amount of people who wanted it denied were afraid that the law could be exploited in some nasty way, like carcarcargo pondered about. I agree with the courts because of that.

Too bad it would require explicit fucking consent do that this kind of thing, rendering almost any hypothetical "loophole" totally bogus.

This might sound ridiculous, but I'll put it out there anyways: If I was a good friend of his, and he truly wanted his life to end, I don't know if I could do it or not. If I [b]could[/b], however, I would do it in a way that would be painless and untraceable. We would set it up in a sterile, comfortable environment, and we would plan everything ahead of time. It would happen in his home, and then all of the materials needed to commit the act (chemicals, clothing, supplies etc) would be disposed of in the fireplace of the home after he was put to rest. His body would be arranged in a dignified, honorable manner, and then a call would be placed with the local police department using a disposable phone purchased with cash at a store several provinces over. The police would arrive on location several hours after everything had been cleaned up and all evidence disposed of, to find him resting with his eyes closed and arms crossed, in the traditional manner, with his last will and testament lying underneath his arms. That's how I would do it. Call me ridiculous, but I think it would be most of the most kind, gentle things to do for someone that wants to die.

I know the laws the law and all, but you'd have to be a pretty sick fuck to not try and find some way to rule in his favour as the Judge on this case. It's not a question of morality, it's about showing some humanity to someone who can't even express his properly.

[QUOTE=smurfy;37268539]Ok this is fucking terrible, the guy is live on BBC crying right now, he looks distraught Edit: Press just left the room to give him privacy[/QUOTE] Also if it had been the American media they would have shoved some camera's in his face and watched every tear roll down his face. At least the BBC showed some dignity and respect.

if I ever get paralyzed I want to be strapped to a rocket bomb and shot at brown people

[QUOTE=krazipanda;37281210]if I ever get paralyzed I want to be strapped to a rocket bomb and shot at brown people[/QUOTE] honestly dude, shut up worst thread possible for shitty jokes