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Oddworld Dev said "Fuck off" To EA buyout, EA replies by saying he has a mental illness and Tourette

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[QUOTE=Raidyr;37882612]I think both are acting childish. Yeah EA's comments about paranoia and tourrettes aren't really necessary (okay maybe paranoia, "powerful leaders and laws" really?) but the way Lanning implies there is more to the story but won't tell us doesn't help his case at all. But of course the indie dev "wins" when it's his word vs a multi-national corporation because he a strong independent developer who don't need no publisher.[/QUOTE] That and having a popularity contest with EA is like being asked to chose between eating a bowl of candy or Hitler's mummified dick.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882561]I don't think that means what you think it means. and as an aside you still don't quite grasp the concept of 'producers' and 'publishers' either do you?[/QUOTE] You have publishers who get the physical copies out to the market, well mostly anything that is connected to distribution. Then you have developpers which are studios that create games in all their detail and such, sometimes they have different partners that collaborate in a team. What is a producer?

[QUOTE=junker|154;37882638]You have publishers who get the physical copies out to the market, well mostly anything that is connected to distribution. Then you have developpers which are studios that create games in all their detail and such, sometimes they have different partners that collaborate in a team. What is a producer?[/QUOTE] Another name for referencing developers. They PRODUCE games if you want to trip over terminology

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882561]I don't think that means what you think it means. and as an aside you still don't quite grasp the concept of 'producers' and 'publishers' either do you?[/QUOTE] I know the difference, whats your point?

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882664]Another name for referencing developers. They PRODUCE games if you want to trip over terminology[/QUOTE] Well, what is your point then?

[QUOTE=SweFox*;37882665]I know the difference, whats your point?[/QUOTE] You keep saying EA 'makes' these games like they're somehow deeply involved in the development process and the entire thing would fall apart without their divine intervention. When in truth it is merely EA who funds the initial creation, than reaps a percentage of the profits. If they had the funding they never would have had to be involved with EA in the first place and their games would probably benefit too without stringent deadlines and EA's black shadow of a marketing department.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882688]You keep saying EA 'makes' these games like they're somehow deeply involved in the development process and the entire thing would fall apart without their divine intervention. When in truth it is merely EA who funds the initial creation, than reaps a percentage of the profits. If they had the funding they never would have had to be involved with EA in the first place and their games would probably benefit too without stringent deadlines and EA's black shadow of a marketing department.[/QUOTE] I've never implied EA makes games. You stated EA release bad games which I replied that BF3s doing fine, which I imply that they release good games to. I worded it wrongly once, not really keep saying EA makes games.

[QUOTE=SweFox*;37882715]I've never implied EA makes games. You stated EA release bad games which I replied that BF3s doing fine, which I imply that they release good games to.[/QUOTE] EA ok, listen read this, repeat it to yourself like a mantra ok, I need you to focus. EA ok are you listening, I'll put it in bold so you can't miss it, ok. [B]EA DOSN'T MAKE GAMES[/B]

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882721]EA ok, listen read this, repeat it to yourself like a mantra ok, I need you to focus. EA ok are you listening, I'll put it in bold so you can't miss it, ok. [B]EA DOSN'T MAKE GAMES[/B][/QUOTE] Maybe you should read what you quoted instead of telling me what I already know.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882688]You keep saying EA 'makes' these games like they're somehow deeply involved in the development process and the entire thing would fall apart without their divine intervention. When in truth it is merely EA who funds the initial creation, than reaps a percentage of the profits. If they had the funding they never would have had to be involved with EA in the first place and their games would probably benefit too without stringent deadlines and EA's black shadow of a marketing department.[/QUOTE] I never mentioned that EA itself, the company, would produce games. They are a huge company that own a lot of different studios that develop games. EA has the financial power to fund games. I do not get your problem, yeah they have deadlines and such. But overall it is a business. The only thing I really despise about EA is how they fucked up the Tiberium Universe, they destroyed a lot of things there. Although one could say that they tried a new route that is different from generic rts. [editline]2nd October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882721]EA ok, listen read this, repeat it to yourself like a mantra ok, I need you to focus. EA ok are you listening, I'll put it in bold so you can't miss it, ok. [B]EA DOSN'T MAKE GAMES[/B][/QUOTE] Stop playing thoughguy.

[QUOTE=SweFox*;37882727]Maybe you should read what you quoted instead of telling me what I already know.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SweFox*;37882715]I've never implied EA makes games. You stated EA release bad games which I replied that BF3s doing fine, [B]which I imply that they release good games to[/B]. I worded it wrongly once, not really keep saying EA makes games.[/QUOTE] Ok I'll pretend you didn't say what you just said this one time. EA doesn't make games at all, established, done and dusted. Their developers that they buy out and homogenize do. You seem to have it in your head for some reason that despite their shady business practices they're ok because they release 'good games' but they don't, their developers do. EA's business strategy is to LURE game devs into a money-trap and than make them sign a contract. Once they have that they pretty much run their dev's mental property into the dirt, for every dev that thrives under the abuse there are six more who are extinguished entirely. Somehow you keep confusing EA and the developers they've eaten but don't make that mistake, EA. Is. Bad. Developers, are good. (for the most part) It's actually not a hard mistake to make in truth, because all those developers EA eats are basically homogenized into a tiny trademark in the corner of the box that doesn't even rate a sidebar to the giant 'EA' on the box. And about battlefield, another tripping point for you it seems, I think it sucks. you like it and that's cool but I don't, I think it's samey and crappy and we need less boring shooters on the market, no doubt EA will keep their dev-slaves churning them out till they stop selling though.

They see Tourettes, I see common sense :v:

[QUOTE=junker|154;37882761]Stop playing thoughguy.[/QUOTE] What? [editline]2nd October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=junker|154;37882761]I never mentioned that EA itself, the company, would produce games. They are a huge company that own a lot of different studios that develop games. EA has the financial power to fund games. [B]I do not get your problem, yeah they have deadlines and such. But overall it is a business.[/B] The only thing I really despise about EA is how they fucked up the Tiberium Universe, they destroyed a lot of things there. Although one could say that they tried a new route that is different from generic rts.[/QUOTE] Yes... god damnit yes I know I keep saying that, my issue is their [I]business practices[/I] which are toxic, noxious and most damningly somehow keeping them alive. You're not supposed to be rewarded for fucking people over.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882794]Ok I'll pretend you didn't say what you just said this one time.[/QUOTE] So EA doesn't release games now? EA aren't the end of the world, if they release a game that I enjoy they simply deserve my money. I don't care if you don't like it. I replied to your claiming that Battlefield were copy-paste series which is a lie.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882794]Ok I'll pretend you didn't say what you just said this one time. EA doesn't make games at all, established, done and dusted. Their developers that they buy out and homogenize do. You seem to have it in your head for some reason that despite their shady business practices they're ok because they release 'good games' but they don't, their developers do. EA's business strategy is to LURE game devs into a money-trap and than make them sign a contract. Once they have that they pretty much run their dev's mental property into the dirt, for every dev that thrives under the abuse there are six more who are extinguished entirely. Somehow you keep confusing EA and the developers they've eaten but don't make that mistake, EA. Is. Bad. Developers, are good. (for the most part) It's actually not a hard mistake to make in truth, because all those developers EA eats are basically homogenized into a tiny trademark in the corner of the box that doesn't even rate a sidebar to the giant 'EA' on the box. And about battlefield, another tripping point for you it seems, I think it sucks. you like it and that's cool but I don't, I think it's samey and crappy and we need less boring shooters on the market, no doubt EA will keep their dev-slaves churning them out till they stop selling though.[/QUOTE] You exagerate a lot, you sound like EA is a giant parasite that lures smaller helpless studios in a deathtrap. It is still a business, EA made some bad choices in the past but they also do some good ones. Buying a smaller studio is also a mutual contract, the studio and EA needs to agree on the terms. You could also blame the studios for accepting such offers. You cannot solely blame EA. Also EA makes it possible for the games to be created and sold, which is also a large role. You are absolutely blind and you fail to see that EA is not that bad.

According to this thread, Jeff Brown is the entirety of EA. Jesus fuck, the entire company isn't a hivemind.

[QUOTE=SweFox*;37882824]So EA doesn't release games now? EA aren't the end of the world, if they release a game that I enjoy they simply deserve my money. I don't care if you don't like it. What I replied to were that you claimed it were copy-paste which is a lie.[/QUOTE] Neat, a cherry pick. It is copy paste, They all follow the same formula as the previous, Next gen graphics, same damn game. It's like original thought is the enemy.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882800]What? [editline]2nd October 2012[/editline] Yes... god damnit yes I know I keep saying that, my issue is their [I]business practices[/I] which are toxic, noxious and most damningly somehow keeping them alive. You're not supposed to be rewarded for fucking people over.[/QUOTE] Yeah, some business practices are horrible, but they have gone better over the time. Look at Ubisoft, they truly fuck up their customers.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882844]Neat, a cherry pick. It is copy paste, They all follow the same formula as the previous, Next gen graphics, same damn game. It's like original thought is the enemy.[/QUOTE] So in other words, every game from the same genre is a copy paste? Nice logic there! How about no.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;37882835]According to this thread, Jeff Brown is the entirety of EA. Jesus fuck, the entire company isn't a hivemind.[/QUOTE] This is also a great point, one guy talking some shit is not representative for a whole company. Although EA should really watch what kind of personal they hire.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882800] You're not supposed to be rewarded for fucking people over.[/QUOTE] Gonna have a hard time convincing the people who invest hundreds of hours into Mass Effect, Dragon Age, KOTOR, Dead Space, Battlefield, Need for Speed, or almost any sports title that the are getting fucked over for their $60 purchase.

3 pages without this? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-LE0ycgkBQ[/media] Facepunch I am dissapoint.

[QUOTE=junker|154;37882832]You exagerate a lot, you sound like EA is a giant parasite that lures smaller helpless studios in a deathtrap. It is still a business, EA made some bad choices in the past but they also do some good ones. [/QUOTE] They basically do, the constituent artists of the studios aren't involved in these primarily business choices, once their forced into EA's fold they usually quit and EA just discards the company since they're no longer producing money and therefore useless to EA despite the fact it's their fault [QUOTE=junker|154;37882832]Buying a smaller studio is also a mutual contract, the studio and EA needs to agree on the terms. You could also blame the studios for accepting such offers. You cannot solely blame EA.[/QUOTE] Companies aren't hiveminds, I know I sound hypocritical by saying that because I generalise but everything I say about these companies is 'in general' but this is a specific problem with the way the business of games conflicts with the art of them. The constituant employees of these companies, the actual modlers, programmers, ect aren't given the choice, they have to follow the money or quit [QUOTE=junker|154;37882832]Also EA makes it possible for the games to be created and sold, which is also a large role. You are absolutely blind and you fail to see that EA is not that bad.[/QUOTE] They aren't murderers and rapists, but their business practices are bad. 'Not that bad' isn't good.

Also, EA doesn't "steal companies and destroy them," they give funding to developers who sign up with them. As for liquidying developers? That's the risk of being published by big publishers and the reason why a lot of devs shy away. With crowdfunding or out-of-pocket funding, publishers can be avoided.

[QUOTE=Complete Cunt;37882904]They basically do, the constituent artists of the studios aren't involved in these primarily business choices, once their forced into EA's fold they usually quit and EA just discards the company since they're no longer producing money and therefore useless to EA despite the fact it's their fault Companies aren't hiveminds, I know I sound hypocritical by saying that because I generalise but everything I say about these companies is 'in general' but this is a specific problem with the way the business of games conflicts with the art of them. The constituant employees of these companies, the actual modlers, programmers, ect aren't given the choice, they have to follow the money or quit They aren't murderers and rapists, but their business practices are bad. 'Not that bad' isn't good.[/QUOTE] Well, I might skip this discussion. Seeing as my knowledge about EA business practices are not that well developped, I read a lot about the more famous ones. You might have more of an insight to that. I am just observing a trend that EA and their general business practices are better than in the past.

If I was offered a well-paying job at EA or anywhere involving them, I simply would not take it. I'd burn their offer right in front of them and blow the embers in their eyes before throwing the charred remains at their prized possessions, followed up by holding up both middle fingers, facing them as I strut out of their office, kicking their door open as I approach it. Fuck you, EA.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;37882913]Also, EA doesn't "steal companies and destroy them," they give funding to developers who sign up with them. As for liquidying developers? That's the risk of being published by big publishers and the reason why a lot of devs shy away. With crowdfunding or out-of-pocket funding, publishers can be avoided.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's a risk, but EA compounds the risk by setting deadlines and simply by infecting people with their noxiously bad press. I don't buy shit with an EA logo on it and so do plenty of people I know, burned too many times by origin, and that travesty 'EA download manager' and all sorts of other fun things. Research the making of brutal legend, one of gaming's finest minds tim schaefer could not make a decent game under EA's shit.

-snip, jeez-

[QUOTE=Void Skull;37882946]If I was offered a well-paying job at EA or anywhere involving them, I simply would not take it. I'd burn their offer right in front of them and blow the embers in their eyes before throwing the charred remains at their prized possessions, followed up by holding up both middle fingers, facing them as I strut out of their office, kicking their door open as I approach it. Fuck you, EA.[/QUOTE] Very mature, fantastically well though of you!

[QUOTE=junker|154;37882932]Well, I might skip this discussion. Seeing as my knowledge about EA business practices are not that well developped, I read a lot about the more famous ones. You might have more of an insight to that. I am just observing a trend that EA and their general business practices are better than in the past.[/QUOTE] Disagree, In the past EA was a shining beacon. This is how they got so powerful to begin with. Now their parasitic business practices weaken them yet they still do it, because their stuck in a business model that is decades out of date.

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