[QUOTE=Valdor;31812400]I'm not supporting the mother's decision to punish her child like this, I'm just saying she shouldn't go to jail over it. She's not scarring he child in any way, and although it does create temporary discomfort it's nothing that deserves Jail.[/QUOTE]
there's no fucking need to feed a five year old hot sauce (which can be really fucking hot and extremely uncomfortable depending on the sauce) then make him stand in a cold shower (which also sucks).
why can't you do a sensible punishment like a normal parent instead of stupid ineffective bullshit like this?
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hazard Fox;31812444]Hot sauce and a cold shower isn't too hard a punishment, I don't see anything wrong with it and frankly, everyone is taking this as if shes beating her child to the point that he has a black eye.[/QUOTE]
you don't need to get beaten for something to be child abuse.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31812357]So you'd say this is an appropriate punishment for [B]fighting with pencils at school?[/B][/QUOTE]
50 years ago he'd have gotten the cane or the paddle.
So yes, at least he got punished instead of getting off free like most of the kids of this generation.
[QUOTE=Hazard Fox;31812444]Hot sauce and a cold shower isn't too hard a punishment, I don't see anything wrong with it and frankly, everyone is taking this as if shes beating her child to the point that he has a black eye.[/QUOTE]
You don't seem to get it, abuse comes in varying levels, this may not be serious abuse, but it's still abuse none the less.
[QUOTE=Hazard Fox;31812444]Hot sauce and a cold shower isn't too hard a punishment, I don't see anything wrong with it and frankly, everyone is taking this as if shes beating her child to the point that he has a black eye.[/QUOTE]
He's probably in the range of 5 to 8, not an appropriate age for this kind of thing, and neither is any age really. If you really believe that parents have to literally [I]beat[/I] their children for it to be abuse, that is sad.
[QUOTE=3com111;31812471]50 years ago he'd have gotten the cane or the paddle.
So yes, at least he got punished instead of getting off free like most of the kids of this generation.[/QUOTE]
50 years ago women didn't have rights either.
that's not just physical toture that's pretty much also psychological torture. you can't really justify this, any sane person can tell this is just fucked up
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;31812454]there's no fucking need to feed a five year old hot sauce (which can be really fucking hot and extremely uncomfortable depending on the sauce) then make him stand in a cold shower (which also sucks).
why can't you do a sensible punishment like a normal parent instead of stupid ineffective bullshit like this?
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
you don't need to get beaten for something to be child abuse.[/QUOTE]
Tell me what defines a sensible punishment. I guarantee it can be twisted into a form of Child abuse if people wanted to look at it like it was.
[QUOTE=3com111;31812471]50 years ago he'd have gotten the cane or the paddle.
So yes, at least he got punished instead of getting off free like most of the kids of this generation.[/QUOTE]
It is [B]fighting with pencils[/B] for fuck's sake! "Get off free"? You act like he committed some kind of federal offense!
[QUOTE=KingKombat;31812487]that's not just physical toture that's pretty much also [B]psychological torture[/B]. you can't really justify this, any sane person can tell this is just fucked up[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31812481]50 years ago women didn't have rights either.[/QUOTE]
50 years ago abusing blacks was socially acceptable
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812488]Tell me what defines a sensible punishment. I guarantee it can be twisted into a form of Child abuse if people wanted to look at it like it was.[/QUOTE]
Reasonability. Sitting down with your kid, have a chat about why what he/she did was wrong, if they don't listen to that, then a time out. How hard is this?
When I saw the title I thought this was like when my dad put hot sauce on my sister's thumb to get her to stop sucking on it (she was 10) but this is WAAAAAY worse
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31812509]Reasonability. Sitting down with your kid, have a chat about why what he/she did was wrong, if they don't listen to that, then a time out. How hard is this?[/QUOTE]
Sitting down with your child isn't punishment, that's addressing the issue.
As for a time out, like I said earlier just give it time. Won't take long before somebody goes to jail for imprisoning their child when they only really sent them to their room/corner/whatever.
Rate me dumb, I can't wait to see you calling it child abuse when it happens though.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812530]Sitting down with your child isn't punishment, that's addressing the issue.
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yes because everything requires violence
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31812520]no i was beat like crazy when i was a kid and im ok so they're all ok
barring the fact that most of the cool serial killers had been abused as children[/QUOTE]
Physical punishments for children at best make them afraid of doing something, and at worst make them angry at the parent later in life. It does not work.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31812509]Reasonability. Sitting down with your kid, have a chat about why what he/she did was wrong, if they don't listen to that, then a time out. How hard is this?[/QUOTE]
and what do they do in a timeout? find a way to amuse themselves. I feel like my mum was hitler now or something now you guys are considering soap in mouth as abuse, pretty much every mother used to do that around here and it really did work. Doing stupid shit then sitting in the the time-out corner at school while the teacher blabbered on about useless shit really really didn't phase me and i'm sure it doesn't phase a lot of kids.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812488]Tell me what defines a sensible punishment. I guarantee it can be twisted into a form of Child abuse if people wanted to look at it like it was.[/QUOTE]
well for one you could tell a kid that it's not good to lie and listen to teachers and shit, i dunno. not physically harming children just for goofing off is a good start.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812530]Sitting down with your child isn't punishment, that's addressing the issue.
As for a time out, like I said earlier just give it time. Won't take long before somebody goes to jail for imprisoning their child when they only really sent them to their room/corner/whatever.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, what? Addressing the issue isn't a suitable way to handle wrongdoings? You're probably one of those people who thinks we should string up criminals and give them inadequate food as "justice".
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812530]Sitting down with your child isn't punishment, that's addressing the issue.
As for a time out, like I said earlier just give it time. Won't take long before somebody goes to jail for imprisoning their child when they only really sent them to their room/corner/whatever.[/QUOTE]
holy fuck slippery slope ahoy stop that shit.
[QUOTE=Gareth;31812559]and what do they do in a timeout? find a way to amuse themselves. I feel like my mum was hitler now or something now you guys are considering soap in mouth as abuse, pretty much every mother used to do that around here and it really did work.[/QUOTE]
Soap in your mouth worked for [B]what?[/B] Getting you to stop saying certain words? Yeah, I sure am glad that strategy came through in dire times!
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31812550]Physical punishments for children at best make them afraid of doing something, and at worst make them angry at the parent later in life. It does not work.[/QUOTE]
Not only that, but it makes them pussyshits when it comes to their own child too. I was punished a lot by my father and when I have a child I [i]never[/i] intend to do anything harmful to him/her what-so-ever.
physical and psychological punishments build bad character
[QUOTE=Sanius;31812537]yes because everything requires violence[/QUOTE]
I'm just pointing out that's not punishment, so it can be discarded.
Learn to comprehend, because you're doing a good job of doing that as I've seen already.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812099]Yeah but you've never had to go through the horrors of taking a cold shower, so it's not the same.[/QUOTE]
I love cold showers and take one daily.
In two weeks of 10 minutes ice cold, you adapt and don't feel it anymore.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812596]I'm just pointing out that's not punishment, so it can be discarded.
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it doesn't require punishment of any sort
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;31812606]I love cold showers and take one daily.
In two weeks of 10 minutes ice cold, you adapt and don't feel it anymore.[/QUOTE]
No you're [B][I]psychologically torturing[/I][/B] yourself, stop it!!!!
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sanius;31812615]it doesn't require punishment of any sort[/QUOTE]
If you're advocating no punishment when a child does something wrong (I'm not talking about this scenario, I'm talking about in general and when it deserves correction), then you can have fun with your spoiled brat children that everybody will love to hate.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812596]I'm just pointing out that's not punishment, so it can be discarded.
Learn to comprehend, because you're doing a good job of doing that as I've seen already.[/QUOTE]
How is talking with your children and giving them a time-out if the situation calls for it a bad way to handle it? You said yourself that it's "addressing the issue", and you just cast it aside. I mean come on, that's ridiculous logic.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812622]No you're [B][I]psychologically torturing[/I][/B] yourself, stop it!!!!
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
If you're advocating no punishment when a child does something wrong (I'm not talking about this scenario, I'm talking about in general and when it deserves correction), then you can have fun with your spoiled brat children that everybody will love to hate.[/QUOTE]
We're talking about a little kid here, shoving him under cold water until he screams is definitely abuse.
Fighting with pencils at most deserves a talking too at most, it's not like he started stabbing class mates and assaulting people.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812622]If you're advocating no punishment when a child does something wrong (I'm not talking about this scenario, I'm talking about in general and when it deserves correction), then you can have fun with your spoiled brat children that everybody will love to hate.[/QUOTE]
Then give me a scenario of an appropriate course of action. No really, tell me.
If a kid "talks back", are you going to smack him? If a kid gets in trouble at school, are you going to take his dinner away?
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;31812606]I love cold showers and take one daily.
In two weeks of 10 minutes ice cold, you adapt and don't feel it anymore.[/QUOTE]
Willingly taking cold showers and adapting to the feeling is not the same as being forced into an ice-cold shower as punishment.
[QUOTE=3com111;31811475]Bet that kid wont ever like spicy food.
[b]But he probably wont misbehave again.[/b][/QUOTE]
Hahhahah, you have no idea how people work.
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