[QUOTE=3com111;31811475]Bet that kid wont ever like spicy food.
But he probably wont misbehave again.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah just like how prisoners won't commit crimes when we give them ridiculously long sentences.
and yet the US crime level is quite high among the western world.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31812657]We're talking about a little kid here, shoving him under cold water until he screams is definitely abuse.
Fighting with pencils at most deserves a talking too at most, it's not like he started stabbing class mates and assaulting people.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying she should have punished her child this way, I don't really think the child deserved punishment at all besides what the school had dished out.
And I didn't exactly watch the video to that part so I suppose I didn't see the part where the child was screaming. While I do agree she should have taken her child out of the shower if he was freaking out [I]that[/I] bad, I think the screaming was mostly due to her yelling at him and he was probably confused as hell. Bad parenting skills, but it's not some horrible torture device.
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31812661]Then give me a scenario of an appropriate course of action. No really, tell me.
If a kid "talks back", are you going to smack him? If a kid gets in trouble at school, are you going to take his dinner away?
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
Willingly taking cold showers and adapting to the feeling is not the same as being forced into an ice-cold shower as punishment.[/QUOTE]
That's my point, who's to say what a correct punishment would be and when would you apply certain punishments. No matter what punishment you think of, it's pretty much guaranteed [I]somebody[/I] will have a problem with it.
Who the fuck beats and punishes their child physically anyway.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;31812729]oh yeah just like how prisoners won't commit crimes when we give them ridiculously long sentences.
and yet the US crime level is quite high among the western world.[/QUOTE]
That's because they get quite nice living accommodations.
[QUOTE=Eric95;31812784]Who the fuck beats and punishes their child physically anyway.[/QUOTE]
Physical punishment directed towards children is extremely common around the world.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812808]Physical punishment directed towards children is extremely common around the world.[/QUOTE]
Yeah in third world countries maybe.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31812845]Yeah in third world countries maybe.[/QUOTE]
And in first world, there's a reason schools tell children to speak out about child abuse.
Most don't.
[QUOTE=3com111;31812785]That's because they get quite nice living accommodations.[/QUOTE]
But if it's so nice why's the recidivism rate so much lower than ours? Surely they'd want to go back?
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812622]
If you're advocating no punishment when a child does something wrong (I'm not talking about this scenario, I'm talking about in general and when it deserves correction), then you can have fun with your spoiled brat children that everybody will love to hate.[/QUOTE]
a child doesn't need to be punished for meaningless things like pencil fighting or saying a word that makes you uncomfortable. the most it needs is an explanation of why those things are "bad" and why it shouldn't do them
[QUOTE=Sanius;31812931]a child doesn't need to be punished for meaningless things like pencil fighting or saying a word that makes you uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]
Read the part where I say 'and when it deserves correction'.
Speaking of which, who's to say which actions deserve punishment and which don't? What falls under Child Abuse is pretty much a constantly changing thing it seems.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812808]Physical punishment directed towards children is extremely common around the world.[/QUOTE]
And it's wrong. You teach by example, and if the example parents present is one of patience and reason, the child will most likely follow suit. If the example is physical violence and irregular punishments, then the child will also most likely follow suit. Naturally there are exceptions to this, but in general this is what happens.
Notice how the argument for most people defending this kind of punishment boils down to "my parents did it to me, and I'm fine!" without any really substance behind it? This is because you can't really back up physical violence with anything other than "it might make them stop".
My parents used to spank me/wash my mouth with soap etc. and it pretty much just led to me resenting their parenting, so when I got older and they stopped I just ignored any advice they had to give.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;31812203]Hot sauce would suck, but hopefully she wasn't using this shit
[img]http://blackberriesfood.com/berries/images/satans%20blood.jpg[/img]
That shit burns with the heat of 1,000 suns.[/QUOTE]
Have FreakySoup eat it and see what happens.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812955]Read the part where I say 'and when it deserves correction'.
Speaking of which, who's to say which actions deserve punishment and which don't?[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately there isn't a concise objective list of what things are good and what things are bad. However, freedom of speech is for the most part objectively good, and as such using "swear words" does not deserve punishment. The notion that "back-talk" deserves anything anywhere near washing your mouth out with soap is 100% ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812955]What falls under Child Abuse is pretty much a constantly changing thing it seems.[/QUOTE]
yes because the world is becoming more civilized and rational. what falls under racism and sexism is constantly changing too
[QUOTE=Valdor;31812530]Sitting down with your child isn't punishment, that's addressing the issue.[/QUOTE]
I think it's punishment enough. When I was that age I was completely terrified of sitting down and talking like that because it made everyone unhappy. That was enough to make me afraid of doing bad things.
[QUOTE=Chilean;31812977]My parents used to spank me/wash my mouth with soap etc. and it pretty much just led to me resenting their parenting, so when I got older and they stopped I just ignored any advice they had to give.[/QUOTE]
This will be the result. The few times my parents used physical measures, it was grossly inappropriate, and only made me resent them later on. Fortunately they did their best to apologize for anything they did, and so I was able to forgive their actions.
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Eric95;31813025]I think it's punishment enough. When I was that age I was completely terrified of sitting down and talking like that because it made everyone unhappy. That was enough to make me afraid of doing bad things.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I hated the idea of being sat down and told what I did was wrong, but as I grew up I learned the importance of patience and reason.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31812968]And it's wrong. You teach by example, and if the example parents present is one of patience and reason, the child will most likely follow suit. If the example is physical violence and irregular punishments, then the child will also most likely follow suit. Naturally there are exceptions to this, but in general this is what happens.
Notice how the argument for most people defending this kind of punishment boils down to "my parents did it to me, and I'm fine!" without any really substance behind it? This is because you can't really back up physical violence with anything other than "it might make them stop".[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just going to restate this again for people who haven't read (And since sanius is apparently thinking everything I say is dumb and I'm some horrible child killer).
[B]I do not advocate any form of child abuse nor do I think physical punishment is acceptable punishment towards children. Although I do believe some punishments are less severe (such as cold showers and hot sauce), I wouldn't even think of using them on my own children.[/B]
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sanius;31813022]yes because the world is becoming more civilized and rational. what falls under racism and sexism is constantly changing too[/QUOTE]
The boundaries that define racism and sexism aren't even nearly as vague as the one that define child abuse.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31813076]
[B]I do not advocate any form of child abuse nor do I think physical punishment is acceptable punishment towards children. Although I do believe some punishments are less severe (such as cold showers and hot sauce), I wouldn't even think of using them on my own children.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
that doesn't mean anything. it sounds nice and fuzzy but by marginalising any form of child abuse, you're indirectly advocating it. it's like saying that you don't care about LGBT rights or human rights in general. you think that by sitting on the fence and not taking either side that you're somehow noble, but all you're doing is contributing to the problem as a whole
[QUOTE=Sanius;31813187]that doesn't mean anything. it sounds nice and fuzzy but by marginalising any form of child abuse, you're indirectly advocating it. it's like saying that you don't care about LGBT rights or human rights in general. you think that by sitting on the fence and not taking either side that you're somehow noble, but all you're doing is contributing to the problem as a whole[/QUOTE]
Yeah, people love to sit on the fence about certain issues in order to seem like they've risen above the problems of both sides, but really all it amount to is that you wouldn't argue for or against the issue at hand. And active indifference is pretty bad.
Scared from hot sauce for life.
[QUOTE=Sanius;31813187]that doesn't mean anything. it sounds nice and fuzzy but by marginalising any form of child abuse, you're indirectly advocating it. it's like saying that you don't care about LGBT rights or human rights in general. you think that by sitting on the fence and not taking either side that you're somehow noble, but all you're doing is contributing to the problem as a whole[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry what? I'm saying she doesn't deserve the attention or the punishment she's getting for the crime she's committed and I'm advocating child abuse? Please, you're sitting on the fence not doing shit too. I don't see you walking around trying to raise Child Abuse awareness nor do I see you doing jack shit but talk about it on a forum.
You're just as bad as I am, if not worse because you're blaming me for doing exactly what you're doing.
[editline]18th August 2011[/editline]
I don't support child abuse, I just don't feel this is worthy enough for media attention compared to the other forms of abuse out there that are much worse and much more common.
[QUOTE=Valdor;31813341]
You're just as bad as I am, if not worse because you're blaming me for doing exactly what you're doing.
[/QUOTE]
please explain to me what fence I'm sitting on
[QUOTE=Sanius;31813369]please explain to me what fence I'm sitting on[/QUOTE]
Oh you don't support child abuse like me.
But you aren't doing shit about it either :downs:
[QUOTE=Valdor;31813374]Oh you don't support child abuse like me.
But you aren't doing shit about it either :downs:[/QUOTE]
so basically you're grasping at straws
I'm very much against child abuse to any degree
[QUOTE=Chilean;31812977]My parents used to spank me/wash my mouth with soap etc. and it pretty much just led to me resenting their parenting, so when I got older and they stopped I just ignored any advice they had to give.[/QUOTE]
My dad used screaming and hate instead of love. My mom used reason and love instead of hate.
Guess, which way, as a child felt more encouraging and fun?
I loved my mom, she was a god damm leader for me. I don't understand how people in this thread think it's okay to spank kids when you have done something bad. How fucking hard is it to talk to your kids? It's not like it's rocket science for fucks sake.
[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;31813418]I loved my mom, she was a god damm leader for me. I don't understand how people in this thread think it's okay to spank kids when you have done something bad. How fucking hard is it to talk to your kids? It's not like it's rocket science for fucks sake.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
Cold showers are amazing, shit, that treatment was better than what I got in elementary school for bad grades. I got locked in the fucking bathroom for like 4 hours. And hell, it's better than getting yelled at for every damn thing ever. To some people this may seem like torture to the kid, but really, at least he's not being beaten. The only bad part is that the punishment was for something incredibly small. I knew lots of people who were in the same class with me that got beaten with belts and shit like that.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;31813597]Cold showers are amazing, shit, that treatment was better than what I got in elementary school for bad grades. I got locked in the fucking bathroom for like 4 hours. And hell, it's better than getting yelled at for every damn thing ever. To some people this may seem like torture to the kid, but really, at least he's not being beaten. The only bad part is that the punishment was for something incredibly small. I knew lots of people who were in the same class with me that got beaten with belts and shit like that.[/QUOTE]
What in the fuck? Where are you from? 1950 or something?
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;31813597]Cold showers are amazing, shit, that treatment was better than what I got in elementary school for bad grades. I got locked in the fucking bathroom for like 4 hours. And hell, it's better than getting yelled at for every damn thing ever. To some people this may seem like torture to the kid, but really, at least he's not being beaten. The only bad part is that the punishment was for something incredibly small. I knew lots of people who were in the same class with me that got beaten with belts and shit like that.[/QUOTE]
"At least he's not getting beaten" is not an acceptable reason to condone this.
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