Ontario schools will offer gender studies, thanks to five young women - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rhenae;40456163]It would really depend on who was teaching it as well though, in highschool there is a fair likelyness it would get one of those spare teachers that they throw on random classes who wouldn't teach it very well, and most of those I know in my school at least would have gone all femi-nazi on it and made the class crap.[/QUOTE] Well I would rather it be attempted in the public education sphere and improved on than ignoring the class because people think it might be bad

What does gender studies lead to? And I mean, this isn't meant as "Har har, them dumb bitches readin' bitch shit, ain't no use in that" kinda crap. I'm genuinely curious, what sort of job will 'Womens Studies' help you getting? [sub]God damn it, I can't fuckin' formulate my question of interest without sounding sexist. Stupid women's studies...[/sub]

[QUOTE=itisjuly;40455277]Civil war over some classes? Haha what[/QUOTE] Try to imply on more public internet areas that this would be compulsory on federal level. I dare you.

[QUOTE=Riller;40456222] I'm genuinely curious, what sort of job will 'Womens Studies' help you getting? [/QUOTE] It will help you not get fired for harassment from whatever one you do get.

[QUOTE=Riller;40456222]What does gender studies lead to? And I mean, this isn't meant as "Har har, them dumb bitches readin' bitch shit, ain't no use in that" kinda crap. I'm genuinely curious, what sort of job will 'Womens Studies' help you getting? [sub]God damn it, I can't fuckin' formulate my question of interest without sounding sexist. Stupid women's studies...[/sub][/QUOTE] Gender Studies is probably one of the least useful degrees you could possibly get if you want a job.

[QUOTE=Riller;40456222]What does gender studies lead to? And I mean, this isn't meant as "Har har, them dumb bitches readin' bitch shit, ain't no use in that" kinda crap. I'm genuinely curious, what sort of job will 'Womens Studies' help you getting? [sub]God damn it, I can't fuckin' formulate my question of interest without sounding sexist. Stupid women's studies...[/sub][/QUOTE] I don't really know how the job market works in America but I imagine that because this is a high school course and not a college one that it isn't intended to lead to a job.

[QUOTE=willer;40456008]So it's a kind of anthropology? I'm not saying that that's what I think those classes are, but to someone who doesn't specifically look into it or go to one of the classes the media and outside world generally stereotypes them.[/QUOTE] Well, given how the classes are about how society and media reinforces gender roles and demonizes breaking the mold, it makes sense that they would demonize a class about recognizing this and breaking the mold.

Gender studies? Into the trash it goes.

I hope that these gender studies are not one sided, or just use a shortcut into demonizing society as it shoves people into gender roles. There have been many studies about how evolution itself drove our species into these roles, and that the societys genderization itself isn't the source, but rather the result of that.

[QUOTE=Rellow;40454901]I don't get it, do they think rapists are completely unaware that people are supposed to consent to intercourse?[/QUOTE] people not knowing what consent is is a massive problem. not saying no doesn't mean yes, despite what a lot of people think. very drunk people can't consent. [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] etc [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40456665]I hope that these gender studies are not one sided, or just use a shortcut into demonizing society as it shoves people into gender roles. [B]There have been many studies about how evolution itself drove our species into these roles,[/B] and that the societys genderization itself isn't the source, but rather the result of that.[/QUOTE] you sure?

[QUOTE=person11;40455837]Important classes must be taught. Nobody is going to make Math optional cause it may be boring to some.[/QUOTE] Completely different classes, I'd take math because I'm going to need it in the future. I already understand consent and equality, but I'm not going to take something like gender studies when I take another worthwhile class related to my interests.

Women's Studies and Anthropology are usually used in tandem with Sociology and Political Science, etc. You could probably get a job at Planned Parenthood, many women's support groups, many women's unions, advocacy groups, etc.

I took a gender studies class in my old college. We learnt about gender discrimination for both men and women. We learnt a lot about gender roles and how they vary from culture to culture. Things like in American culture there's a huge emphasis on being "manly," and in Asian cultures that doesn't exist as much, or in the same fashion as it does in America. We also went into the psychology of transgender and gender queer people and the discrimination they face. The class I took is obviously a bit different from the one the article is describing, but it covered a ton of material. It might not help you get a job, but these types of classes are usually general electives that you take for extra credit. So I chose to take that class and I really enjoyed it. Overall it was a very interesting class, it made me question gender roles more than I ever did before. "Why is this considered "manly" in our culture?", "Why is being "manly" so important?", "Why is it frowned upon by some people to neglect your gender role?"

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;40456912]Completely different classes, I'd take math because I'm going to need it in the future. I already understand consent and equality, but I'm not going to take something like gender studies when I take another worthwhile class related to my interests.[/QUOTE] Are you completely sure you understand everything about consent and the extent of sexism in our society? Your doubt and your not wanting to take the class are just reinforcing the notion that it should not be optional.

Sure. You should have the freedom to completely waste your time.

[QUOTE=Mr Nagasaki;40456945]I took a gender studies class in my old college. We learnt about gender discrimination for both men and women. We learnt a lot about gender roles and how they vary from culture to culture. Things like in American culture there's a huge emphasis on being "manly," and in Asian cultures that doesn't exist as much, or in the same fashion as it does in America. We also went into the psychology of transgender and gender queer people and the discrimination they face. The class I took is obviously a bit different from the one the article is describing, but it covered a ton of material. It might not help you get a job, but these types of classes are usually general electives that you take for extra credit. So I chose to take that class and I really enjoyed it. Overall it was a very interesting class, it made me question gender roles more than I ever did before. "Why is this considered "manly" in our culture?", "Why is being "manly" so important?", "Why is it frowned upon by some people to neglect your gender role?"[/QUOTE] Exactly, some classes are needed to change the way one thinks about many concepts that society spreads without thinking. These types of classes are not about jobs, but about a better understanding of the world around us.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;40456965]Sure. You should have the freedom to completely waste your time.[/QUOTE] tell me then, what should people do to not waste their time

[QUOTE=person11;40456973]Exactly, some classes are needed to change the way one thinks about many concepts that society spreads without thinking. These types of classes are not about jobs, but about a better understanding of the world around us.[/QUOTE] yeah, I agree. Also, many colleges require students to take 2 or 3 general elective classes in order to graduate, in my case I took that gender studies class as one of my general electives.

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;40456981]tell me then, what should people do to not waste their time[/QUOTE] Oh i dont know. Gain skills?

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;40456981]tell me then, what should people do to not waste their time[/QUOTE] classes like tv production, architectural design, music classes, website design etc. Something to help give you a skill or make you think about what you want to do with your life.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;40457076]classes like tv production, architectural design, music classes, website design etc. Something to help give you a skill or make you think about what you want to do with your life.[/QUOTE] Being educated is no longer a skill well done

[QUOTE=person11;40456950]Are you completely sure you understand everything about consent and the extent of sexism in our society? Your doubt and your not wanting to take the class are just reinforcing the notion that it should not be optional.[/QUOTE] Wait, how is the fact that he doesn't feel like taking the course reinforce the notion that it shouldn't be optional?

What's gender studies got to do with realising what rape is?

[QUOTE=Riller;40456222]What does gender studies lead to? And I mean, this isn't meant as "Har har, them dumb bitches readin' bitch shit, ain't no use in that" kinda crap. I'm genuinely curious, what sort of job will 'Womens Studies' help you getting? [sub]God damn it, I can't fuckin' formulate my question of interest without sounding sexist. Stupid women's studies...[/sub][/QUOTE] Social work, advocacy, etc Maybe even advertising, some large companies probably have entire office buildings dedicated to making sure they don't produce racist/sexist/otherwise PR-killing ads. Advertising is a weird industry where you can find work relevant to basically anything

Also [QUOTE]concept of gender as something that’s built, not born[/QUOTE] Um, gender =/= gender roles

[QUOTE=sp00ks;40456857]people not knowing what consent is is a massive problem. not saying no doesn't mean yes, despite what a lot of people think. very drunk people can't consent. [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] etc [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] you sure?[/QUOTE] It is widely known that females primarily cared for the offspring while males hunted for food. And because it was pretty successful, there hasn't been any reason to change that in all of human history. Women are focussed on being sociable and communicate with other humans, which translates into the job landscape of today. They choose to be a hair dresser which involves a lot of communication with the customer. Same with other jobs such as nurses. They all involve some form of sociability. And society itself built on this and reinforced these stereotypes. Another interesting topic is when do boys and girls develope their interests? Is it when they are influenced by society through the media? By their parents? I found this documentary very informative as it involves a wide spectrum of professors which give an insight into it. [video=youtube;KQ2xrnyH2wQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2xrnyH2wQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1020s[/video] Trond Diseth at 17 minutes talks about how genderspecific interest are dependent on hormone levels.

[quote]They launched their campaign while studying the University of Western Ontario, where for the first time they were exposed to women’s history, and feminist theory and [B]the concept of gender as something that’s built, not born[/B]. They were taking women’s studies classes.[/quote] Oh boy, can't wait for more anti-science/psychology bullshit.

My gripe with the whole gender discussion is that the apparent goal, or at least, the direction it seems to be taking. Is to Blend the genders together into a formless grey policially-correct mush. Devoid of any variation or flexibility. Sure i couldnt possibly object to the fact that a person went to a 'gender study', Wich is, and be fucking honest, a thesis about why men are shit, and women are victims, But im not going to change because you think i should be different.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40457286]It is widely known that females primarily cared for the offspring while males hunted for food. And because it was pretty successful, there hasn't been any reason to change that in all of human history. [/QUOTE] Hunting was a hugely unreliable source of food for hunter-gatherer societies, most of the food came from foraging which was generally equally split by sex. Hunting was more equally split than you assume as well. Amongst the Aeta people, according to wikipedia's example, groups of female hunters are actually more efficient and effective than their male counterparts. Overall, there has never been a society found where men abstained completely from gathering and women abstained completely from hunting. The pronounced split we know today didn't occur until the advent of agriculture

So apparently psychology can now be conflated with anti-science. Huh.