Ontario schools will offer gender studies, thanks to five young women - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40463663]I didn't watch the video [/QUOTE] Why are you even debating if you are so ignorant.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40459172]this is dumb you should study what you want and if you want to study gender studies then you should do it someone whos studying gender studies and has legitimate interest in it is going to get a lot further in life and in jobs than someone who studies business and doesnt care about it[/QUOTE] So who offers a career for someone who has qualifications in gender studies? To me it sounds like a total waste of time and money.

[QUOTE=Scrimp;40464216]So who offers a career for someone who has qualifications in gender studies? To me it sounds like a total waste of time and money.[/QUOTE] besides academia which is a difficult but incredibly lucrative field, you can work for business in their HR department, work for social services which involve womens and gender issues constantly, consumer advocates, work as a lawyer if you choose to take graduate school, conduct market research, go into psychology, work in PR, even work as a writer or journalist focusing on your specific area how the fuck would you even know if you dont take time to look into it excuse me?

[QUOTE=Scrimp;40464216]So who offers a career for someone who has qualifications in gender studies? To me it sounds like a total waste of time and money.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Uber|nooB;40457585]education isn't just about learning skills to get a job education is also about learning about the world you exist in, about expanding your understanding of yourself and the society we are supposed to live and function in, and about improving yourself as a human being not everything you learn and do has to result in a job of some sort for you [editline]28th April 2013[/editline] it's good to have at least some knowledge of as much as possible, even if you aren't planning to make a career for yourself in that area[/QUOTE] Do you even bother reading posts in this thread, or are you only looking for circlejerk buddies?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40463676]just because a country is called the 'most gender equal' ( i like how they based off this statistic on simply laws regarding gender equality and not necessarily the social context how genders interact & the social construct ) country in the world doesn't necessarily suddenly wipe away eras of conditioning women of how men should see them?? do you not notice the annoying third wave feminism kitchen warriors that apparently yap too much are kind of you know, recent you can't get away with that shit during the old days, and it's been recent centuries where women have been gradually killing off the gender stereotype to the point where everyone is getting mad something is going improper? pre-agriculture revolution - gender equality, both sexes hunted and got food after all that shit - western women should be proper, chinese women at birth are given shard of a pot to inform them the life of hardship, etc 19-21st century feminism - shit gets challenged, everyone panic! its not necessary 'evolution' or 'biology', its also about social conditioning and its almost as if we should have a gender studies class for stuff like this, to actually you know, discuss what we're discussing about[/QUOTE] If you people would even spare a little bit of time watching the video (why don't you do it?) you wouldn't be so against it. Being stubborn doesn't solve any problems. There are girls days to encourage young girls to get into the primarily male industries, grants and scholarships based on gender, race etc. And still there are less women than men in these industries. There have been studies that the preference between boy toys and girl toys is dependent on the hormone levels in babies as young as a day. Kids with high testosterone levels (boys, austistic children, or girls that have some syndrome) show lower levels of empathy which is primarily a male characteristic. There is basicly no societal influence at that age. So what else than biology could be the reason? [editline]29th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;40464240]besides academia which is a difficult but incredibly lucrative field, you can work for business in their HR department, work for social services which involve womens and gender issues constantly, consumer advocates, work as a lawyer if you choose to take graduate school, conduct market research, go into psychology, work in PR, even work as a writer or journalist focusing on your specific area how the fuck would you even know if you dont take time to look into it excuse me?[/QUOTE] Do you have any hard evidence that someone was hired because of his/her degree in gender studies in someone else than teaching said gender studies?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40464270] Do you have any hard evidence that someone was hired because of his/her degree in gender studies in someone else than teaching said gender studies?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.indeed.com/q-Gender-Studies-jobs.html[/url] if it is a "total waste of time and money" then someone should tell the people looking for employees

[QUOTE=thisispain;40464321][url]http://www.indeed.com/q-Gender-Studies-jobs.html[/url] if it is a "total waste of time and money" then someone should tell the people looking for employees[/QUOTE] All I see are jobs at universities and colleges and not in the industry as you proclaimed in your previous post. And again, how do you explain the gender equality paradox when there are enough incentives by society to get more women into the industry? They even have a law that forces private and state owned industries to have a minimum of 40 percent female boardmembers. And still this doesn't encourage young woman to join male dominated fields.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40463676]pre-agriculture revolution - gender equality, both sexes hunted and got food[/QUOTE] bullshit

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40464407]All I see are jobs at universities and colleges[/QUOTE] then i dont know what to tell you considering the various medical centers, UNDP, Cengage Learning, and PACE are not universities or colleges

Gender studies could just be included in sociology classes or sex ed; Making it a separate full-time class would be a waste of time bigger than even religious education. A student has important things to deal with like algebra and physics. Having to deal with dickgirls and trans-pan-whatevers for an hour a day instead of going home and resting is really not going to do any good.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40464407]how do you explain the gender equality paradox when there are enough incentives by society to get more women into the industry? They even have a law that forces private and state owned industries to have a minimum of 40 percent female boardmembers. And still this doesn't encourage young woman to join male dominated fields.[/QUOTE] i dont particularly care to discuss this red herring

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40463676]just because a country is called the 'most gender equal' ( i like how they based off this statistic on simply laws regarding gender equality and not necessarily the social context how genders interact & the social construct ) country in the world doesn't necessarily suddenly wipe away eras of conditioning women of how men should see them??[/QUOTE] this is fucking absurd, norway is a very egalitarian progressive country even apart from the legislation and if you watched the whole thing you'd see the part about how boys and girls in norway show comparable career preferences to boys and girls in saudi fucking arabia if your explanation is social conditioning then if we change the social conditioning (ie by looking at different cultures) we ought to see a systematic change in career preferences. while there are differences across countries it doesn't seem to be related to how egalitarian the place is. [editline]29th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;40464455]i dont particularly care to discuss this red herring[/QUOTE] it's totally relevant; gender studies is predicated on gender being a social construct and here is evidence against that

[QUOTE=Nikita;40464449]Gender studies could just be included in sociology classes or sex ed; Making it a separate full-time class would be a waste of time bigger than even religious education. A student has important things to deal with like algebra and physics. Having to deal with dickgirls and trans-pan-whatevers for an hour a day instead of going home and resting is really not going to do any good.[/QUOTE] anyone educationally challenged (quoted or otherwise) is free to make their own priorities about what is important or not

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40463676] you can't get away with that shit during the old days, and it's been recent centuries where women have been gradually killing off the gender stereotype to the point where everyone is getting mad something is going improper? pre-agriculture revolution - gender equality, both sexes hunted and got food [/QUOTE] No one is getting mad about anything. It is just that you can't give me an answer why the gender equality paradox in norway exists when the women are so much encouraged to join the male dominated fields. Why are you so ignorant? Also, [URL="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061207-sex-humans.html"]this[/URL] suggests that there was a clear division of labor based on the gender in human history.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40464465] it's totally relevant; gender studies is predicated on gender being a social construct and here is evidence against that[/QUOTE] gender studies is a big field, not all of it is predicated on gender being a social construct. its possible to explore both phenomenology and biology within the context of a gender studies class

[QUOTE=thisispain;40464492]gender studies is a big field, not all of it is predicated on gender being a social construct. its possible to explore both phenomenology and biology within the context of a gender studies class[/QUOTE] fair enough

and tho the beauvoir inside me might strangle me for saying this, id fucking hope they'd explore both or else it would be quite a shit gender studies class

[QUOTE=cqbcat;40463549]Why do you need a gender studies class? Guys are simple and girls will never be understood. That's all you need to know and classes like these are just a part of the liberal agenda.[/QUOTE] Why should we fight the problem at it's source? I honestly think it's best we kill all women or at the very least put them all on some isolated island. If we don't they will probably cut all our dicks off and lower our population to the point we're in zoos! Why does our species need women anyway? THERE IS NO REASON! All it is, is the feminazi agenda! We don't need women for anything, we should just kill them off and all their allies like thisispain that god damn traitor before it's too late! Anyway pretty sure we have a 'soft' GCSE required subject called Learning for Life and Work (LL/W) in some parts of the UK that covers three different sections (Employability, Personal Development, Citizenship) and has topics from self-employment to relationships so it does what it's named for, for you to learn for life and work. I think I remember it having a equality topic or at least something similar to mould people into not being assholes which is pretty cool. [QUOTE=LL/W]Employability Pupil should be enabled to: explore self employment and identify relevant sources of support; examine the impact of globalisation on employment; investigate the recruitment and selection process, taking into account the rights and responsibilities of employees and employers; consider how employees and employers might maintain an effective working environment; investigate the increasing social responsibility of business in the community; develop a personal career plan based on relevant information and guidance Personal Development Pupils should be enabled to: develop an understanding of how to maximise and sustain their own health and well-being; reflect on, and respond to, their developing concept of self, including managing emotions and reactions to on-going life experiences; recognise, assess and manage risk in a range of real-life contexts; develop their understanding of relationships and sexuality and the responsibilities of healthy relationships; develop an understanding of the roles and responsibilities of parenting; develop further their competence as discerning consumers in preparation for independent living. Local and Global Citizenship Pupils should be enabled to: respond to the specific challenges and opportunities which diversity and inclusion present in Northern Ireland and the wider world; identify and exercise their rights and social responsibilities in relation to local, national and global issues; develop their understanding of the role of society and government in safeguarding individual and collective rights in order to promote equality and to ensure that everyone is treated fairly; develop their understanding of how to participate in a range of democratic processes; develop awareness of key democratic institutions and their role in promoting inclusion, justice and democracy; develop awareness of the role of non-governmental organisations.[/QUOTE]

uum.. don't know if this sounds a bit dumb. But is there any possibilty that these gender studies might make the distance between genders even greater?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40464189]Why are you even debating if you are so ignorant.[/QUOTE] Was I debating

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40464407]All I see are jobs at universities and colleges and not in the industry as you proclaimed in your previous post. And again, how do you explain the gender equality paradox when there are enough incentives by society to get more women into the industry? They even have a law that forces private and state owned industries to have a minimum of 40 percent female boardmembers. And still this doesn't encourage young woman to join male dominated fields.[/QUOTE] efforts to encourage equality don't work instantaneously obviously this means that women are evolutionarily disinclined from liking computers

[QUOTE=Last or First;40466654]efforts to encourage equality don't work instantaneously obviously this means that women are evolutionarily disinclined from liking computers[/QUOTE] well in the paleolithic era women never used computers

[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40456298]Gender Studies is probably one of the least useful degrees you could possibly get if you want a job.[/QUOTE] There is still art history or journalism.

[QUOTE=iTrolol;40466693]There is still art history or journalism.[/QUOTE] I'd define a "useless degree" as one that doesn't teach you anything relevant to the job you want. Taking journalism would indeed be useless if you want to work as a geologist but if you want to be a journalist it's the most useful degree you can get.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40466721]I'd define a "useless degree" as one that doesn't teach you anything relevant to the job you want. Taking journalism would indeed be useless if you want to work as a geologist but if you want to be a journalist it's the most useful degree you can get.[/QUOTE] Not at this time, at least. Journalism is pretty much a dying art.

[QUOTE=iTrolol;40466756]Not at this time, at least. Journalism is pretty much a dying art.[/QUOTE] A lot of people still value the input of a world-wise journalist over the insane ramblings of a news site comments box

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40466773]A lot of people still value the input of a world-wise journalist over the insane ramblings of a news site comments box[/QUOTE] True, but with the advent of the internet, it gets harder and harder to find a journalism job. At least there is something we can agree on: Art history is fucking useless

[QUOTE=iTrolol;40466834]True, but with the advent of the internet, it gets harder and harder to find a journalism job. At least there is something we can agree on: Art history is fucking useless[/QUOTE] Museum curator, personally I'd love that job

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40466644]Was I debating[/QUOTE] Why are you even here then? [QUOTE=Last or First;40466654]efforts to encourage equality don't work instantaneously obviously this means that women are evolutionarily disinclined from liking computers[/QUOTE] How long do you think would it take for measures to take effect? It is not like girls day or stuff like that was introduced yesterday. What do you mean with liking computers? There are many facets, some technical, some social. Where do you think you are right now?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40467000]Why are you even here then?[/QUOTE] I live here.