Ontario schools will offer gender studies, thanks to five young women - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40464491]No one is getting mad about anything. It is just that you can't give me an answer why the gender equality paradox in norway exists when the women are so much encouraged to join the male dominated fields. Why are you so ignorant? Also, [URL="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061207-sex-humans.html"]this[/URL] suggests that there was a clear division of labor based on the gender in human history.[/QUOTE] the gender equality paradox exists because you can't wipe away centuries of social conditioning that female are weaker, more prone to being kitchen wives, and etc. not to mention in recent centuries, there's been a rise of women breaking stereotypes and taking new jobs that wasn't available for them BECAUSE the world has been progressing for equality, a big change from the western stereotype that women should be proper and maiden-like & eastern women should be presented with shards of clay to inform them of hardship. also not to mention, you're taking only norway as an example then using it as a trump card to all your arguments even then, how in the world is STEM and business primarily a man's job? both require social interactions, cooperation, and etc. it's almost as if having a gender studies class can actually have kids debate what we're debating and challenge the entire gender role argument as a whole and progress with new perspectives??? perhaps you're right, perhaps i'm right, but that's why we need shit like gender studies, not only because of misconception of rape and how genders function, but we need this like this challenged and thought out and as for your other argument, just go take pre-1500 history class lol, that link talks AFTER the agriculture revolution i also dont listen to dain anymore because not only is he racist, but he actually supports reddit.com/r/theredpill , so like i give a shit about his opinion lol

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40463663]I didn't watch the video but I really wanted an easy bake oven when I was a little kid and never got one because it was for girls so I think I've outscienced you[/QUOTE] Have you considered that you may be a girl?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40468355]the gender equality paradox exists because you can't wipe away centuries of social conditioning that female are weaker, more prone to being kitchen wives, and etc. not to mention in recent centuries, there's been a rise of women breaking stereotypes and taking new jobs that wasn't available for them BECAUSE the world has been progressing for equality, a big change from the western stereotype that women should be proper and maiden-like & eastern women should be presented with shards of clay to inform them of hardship. also not to mention, you're taking only norway as an example then using it as a trump card to all your arguments even then, how in the world is STEM and business primarily a man's job? both require social interactions, cooperation, and etc. it's almost as if having a gender studies class can actually have kids debate what we're debating and challenge the entire gender role argument as a whole and progress with new perspectives??? perhaps you're right, perhaps i'm right, but that's why we need shit like gender studies, not only because of misconception of rape and how genders function, but we need this like this challenged and thought out and as for your other argument, just go take pre-1500 history class lol, that link talks AFTER the agriculture revolution i also dont listen to dain anymore because not only is he racist, but he actually supports reddit.com/r/theredpill , so like i give a shit about his opinion lol[/QUOTE] How long do you think would it take for the measures to show any progress? How many years? Also, you didn't read the link at all. [QUOTE]But the new study suggests the changes didn't occur until the upper Paleolithic period, which lasted from about 45,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago. [/QUOTE] Also, which agricultural revolution are you talking about, there are : - The Neolithic Revolution (around 10,000 BP), the initial transition from hunting and gathering to settled agriculture in prehistory - The Arab Agricultural Revolution (8th–13th centuries), a term coined by the historian Andrew Watson postulating a fundamental transformation in agriculture arising from the diffusion of crops through the Islamic world - The British Agricultural Revolution (17th–19th centuries), an increase in agricultural productivity in Great Britain which helped drive the Industrial Revolution - The Scottish Agricultural Revolution (18th–19th centuries), the British Agricultural Revolution in Scotland specifically, which led to the Lowland Clearances - The Green Revolution (1943–late 1970s), a series of research, development, and technology transfer initiatives that increased industrialized agriculture production in India and other countries in the developing world All of which happend after the timeframe specified in the link.

I would recommend that people watch that Brainwash documentary by Harald Eia, it's pretty good. It is not so much an attack on gender studies as an attack on the common lack of veracity of scientists in the field of some of the softer social sciences. Ultimately it was a big influence in the defunding of the Nordic Gender Institute, at least I heard. If you are interested in something like this I would also recommend reading Intellectual Impostures: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashionable_Nonsense[/url]

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40468725]How long do you think would it take for the measures to show any progress? How many years? Also, you didn't read the link at all.[/QUOTE] progress is already being seen, women internationally are gaining more rights and progressing into other fields, actually gaining higher social status both politically and economically without being married to a rich person, and etc. you can't do that shit long time ago but how long would it take to truly have equality? fuck if i know and i did lol, it even supports me: [quote]The scientists point out in their study that gender roles were not always the same in early-human cultures, and there's nothing that predisposes either sex toward certain kinds of work. "That women sometimes become successful hunters and men become gatherers means that the universal tendency to divide subsistence labor be gender is not solely the result of innate physical or psychological differences between the sexes; much of it has to be learned," the authors write.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Riutet;40468791]I would recommend that people watch that Brainwash documentary by Harald Eia, it's pretty good.[/QUOTE] Yes the Biotruth Battalion posts that every chance they get, it's still shite.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40468855]Yes the Biotruth Battalion posts that every chance they get, it's still shite.[/QUOTE] Have you watched it? I do not follow these forums that much so if there has been a big discussion about why it is not good that I have missed could you bring me up to speed?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40468850]progress is already being seen, women internationally are gaining more rights and progressing into other fields, actually gaining higher social status both politically and economically without being married to a rich person, and etc. you can't do that shit long time ago but how long would it take to truly have equality? fuck if i know and i did lol, it even supports me:[/QUOTE] That was referred to the early human, also called Neandertals, which because they had problems in specializing their tasks, as the article says, died out and were replaced by the modern human. Which this whole article is about. [editline]29th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Riutet;40468875]Have you watched it? I do not follow these forums that much so if there has been a big discussion about why it is not good that I have missed could you bring me up to speed?[/QUOTE] If they are so ignorant about the scientific method, why do you think they would listen to you?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40468998]That was referred to the early human, also called Neandertals, which because they had problems in specializing their tasks, as the article says, died out and were replaced by the modern human.[/QUOTE] okay, i misread that part because they thought it was a good idea to put that part right before they talk about neandertals' parts so where is their evidence? all im reading is statements and them saying things, but no evidence to back them up on this

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40468998]If they are so ignorant about the scientific method, why do you think they would listen to you?[/QUOTE] I don't make a habit of assuming the worst of people, he may have something valid to tell me and if I dismiss him before I give him the chance to enlighten me the only person who would seem ignorant is me.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40468855]Yes the Biotruth Battalion posts that every chance they get, it's still shite.[/QUOTE] i have never seen a credible rebuttal to it [editline]29th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;40468355]i also dont listen to dain anymore because not only is he racist, but he actually supports reddit.com/r/theredpill , so like i give a shit about his opinion lol[/QUOTE] i dont support /r/theredpill, i said i support the broader philosophical redpill ideas if you want to call me a racist at this point I don't really give a shit, I've tried on many occasions to explain my views but no one wants to listen [editline]29th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;40468355]even then, how in the world is STEM and business primarily a man's job? both require social interactions, cooperation, and etc.[/QUOTE] not as much as other fields, and in them there is more emphasis on what men tend to find easier [editline]29th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;40468355]the gender equality paradox exists because you can't wipe away centuries of social conditioning that female are weaker, more prone to being kitchen wives, and etc. not to mention in recent centuries, there's been a rise of women breaking stereotypes and taking new jobs that wasn't available for them BECAUSE the world has been progressing for equality, a big change from the western stereotype that women should be proper and maiden-like & eastern women should be presented with shards of clay to inform them of hardship. also not to mention, you're taking only norway as an example then using it as a trump card to all your arguments[/QUOTE] what evidence would it take to convince you otherwise

Some women think that what we call oppression is what how it should be for them. It's weird. How do you convince somebody that they are being oppressed? I think if women are to enjoy same rights as men, they have to at very least be [i]all[/i] convinced that they deserve such rights. Many are indoctrinated from young age that girls should be girly and all that.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;40454960]Most rape happens because the guy felt 'entitled'. mostly in relationships.[/QUOTE] I did not know this. Can I have a source so that I can use this later?

i remember getting one of these for christmas the year before i started school: [img]http://www.ingenious.org.uk/media/4.0_SAC/webimages/1043/8/10438149_2.jpg[/img] a pink one specifically. loved it at first, but after i started at school i just grew to hate it because it wasnt what all the other boys were playing with. anecdotal i know, but relevant nonetheless

So much controversy (least on the internet) over something so asinine. Seems like a waste of time and resources to me for trying to solve a non issue but whatever they can take the course if they want it's high school.

[QUOTE=iTrolol;40466834] At least there is something we can agree on: Art history is fucking useless[/QUOTE] do i have to explain this again no degree is useless if you have interests in it if you want to do any kind of work in the art field professional or academic art history is incredibly useful, it gives an understanding of past art forms which is good to know when doing commercial art for example.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40471188]do i have to explain this again no degree is useless if you have interests in it if you want to do any kind of work in the art field professional or academic art history is incredibly useful, it gives an understanding of past art forms which is good to know when doing commercial art for example.[/QUOTE] i understand that it's great for showing off at starbucks as well, if that's your sort of thing [sub]please dont hurt me[sub]it was a joke[/sub][/sub]

that joke doesnt make sense yr cruising for a bruising

Nothing wrong with an arts/toilet paper degree

STEM degrees are literally the only degrees that are worth anything. Everything else is literally worthless in every situation, literally. (i didn't think I needed this but here it is) /sarcasm

[QUOTE=Valnar;40471507]STEM degrees are literally the only degrees that are worth anything. Everything else is literally worthless in every situation, literally.[/QUOTE] if you jerk off any harder your weiner will detach entirely!!!!! there we summed up internet arguments

Call me a sexist if you will, but it seems irrelevant teaching guys that both people have to consent before having sex, it seem frankly insulting, a school creating a new class on the basis that some dudes got together and had their way with a girl. Yes those things happen, but I think most guys have the presence of mind to ask a girl before they go down on her. I speak from experience that every single guy I've meet knows that they have to treat women with respect, and they will respect you back. I've been to parties and I've seen guys taking girls who were too drunk to walk to the shower and hitting them with cold water to wake them up, mind you I've seen girls do the same. The important part here is trust, you have to trust the people around you to be there for you. And I guess where I live people just trust eachother more i guess. Mind you most of this is just common sense, and overall help your fellow man instinct (not a particularly religous person but I like to help people).

As long as "Gender Studies" doesn't devolve into "Women's Studies"... but considering the courses are created by women who majored Women's Studies my hopes are not very high.

right any study of women and their issues is a devolution, education should not be used for such frivolousness

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40471687]Call me a sexist if you will, but it seems irrelevant teaching guys that both people have to consent before having sex, it seem frankly insulting, a school creating a new class on the basis that some dudes got together and had their way with a girl. Yes those things happen, but I think most guys have the presence of mind to ask a girl before they go down on her. I speak from experience that every single guy I've meet knows that they have to treat women with respect, and they will respect you back. I've been to parties and I've seen guys taking girls who were too drunk to walk to the shower and hitting them with cold water to wake them up, mind you I've seen girls do the same. The important part here is trust, you have to trust the people around you to be there for you. And I guess where I live people just trust eachother more i guess. Mind you most of this is just common sense, and overall help your fellow man instinct (not a particularly religous person but I like to help people).[/QUOTE] The problem is that this hardly the case in most places. If we truly didn't need to teach people about consent, things [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/17/steubenville-football-players-guilty-rape"]like this[/URL] wouldn't happen. There's an alarmingly high amount of people who, simply put, know jack shit about consent and think that several scenarios that [I]are[/I] considered rape are completely okay, and even worse, some people think they are actually [I]entitled[/I] to sex for whatever reason. Educating people on this matters is really the only way to stop things like that from happening.

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40471687]Call me a sexist if you will, but it seems irrelevant teaching guys that both people have to consent before having sex, it seem frankly insulting, a school creating a new class on the basis that some dudes got together and had their way with a girl. Yes those things happen, but I think most guys have the presence of mind to ask a girl before they go down on her. I speak from experience that every single guy I've meet knows that they have to treat women with respect, and they will respect you back. I've been to parties and I've seen guys taking girls who were too drunk to walk to the shower and hitting them with cold water to wake them up, mind you I've seen girls do the same. The important part here is trust, you have to trust the people around you to be there for you. And I guess where I live people just trust eachother more i guess. Mind you most of this is just common sense, and overall help your fellow man instinct (not a particularly religous person but I like to help people).[/QUOTE] Someone already posted a in here showing how a shockingly high number of young men absolutely would (or already have) raped someone because they don't understand what consent is. There is something seriously wrong going on in the education system if [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1266632&p=40454958&viewfull=1#post40454958]a third of 14-26 year old men surveyed say that rape is okay.[/url]

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;40472810]As long as "Gender Studies" doesn't devolve into "Women's Studies"... but considering the courses are created by women who majored Women's Studies my hopes are not very high.[/QUOTE] putting aside your ridiculous female power paranoia what would be wrong with that?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40474348]putting aside your ridiculous female power paranoia what would be wrong with that?[/QUOTE] because it is unabashed political propaganda that spreads objectively false things like "gender is a social construct" and "biotruths don't real"

[quote]"gender is a social construct" and "biotruths don't real" [/quote] Both them things are correct.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40476507]Both them things are correct.[/QUOTE] please study stuff before you post ty :)