I can't believe only 5% of their sales are manuals, I mean literally everyone I know in the UK drives manual and every now and then you see someones dad with a mega posh car that's auto... Maybe it's just where I live but i very very very rarely hear of anyone even considering buying an automatic.
Is it totally different in the US or something?
[QUOTE=christarp;48139091]Honestly automatics these days are better than manuals, gone are the days of ye olde slushbox.[/QUOTE]
"Apples are better than oranges."
I don't know why people are saying that manual is more fun, it's just a matter of preference
IMO when I drive I just like the simplicity and manual just makes me more stressed (even though it really shouldn't). I can understand why people say that it's more boring but hey, if manual is better for them then go for it, but I'll stick to auto.
[QUOTE=Jackpody;48139515]I don't think you quite understood my post - I never even mentioned anything to do with difficulty (it isn't difficult to drive a manual, probably more cumbersome for the first few times if you're new to it but definitely not 'difficult'.) It's illegal to drive a manual car in the US if you've taken your license in an automatic. However you're allowed to drive both a manual and an automatic if you took your license in a manual car. In the true meaning of the word "superior", the manual transmission would fall into this category compared to the automatic in most scenarios, the above included. If you're being serious and didn't misinterpret my post, then yeah, I'd guess it's more difficult driving a manual car without a license for it as you'd get arrested.
I obviously mean nothing bad with the word 'superior', it seems to cause a lot of uproar in threads like these. I just don't get why a lot of you get so bitter when the manual transmission is mentioned, I just can't see why. I've never met anyone who genuinely thought they were superior as a person because they drove a manual.[/QUOTE]
There are no such restrictions. It doesn't matter what type of vehicle you take your driving test in, you can drive anything as long as it doesn't require some sort of cdl
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[QUOTE=fragger0;48140007]I can't believe only 5% of their sales are manuals, I mean literally everyone I know in the UK drives manual and every now and then you see someones dad with a mega posh car that's auto... Maybe it's just where I live but i very very very rarely hear of anyone even considering buying an automatic.
Is it totally different in the US or something?[/QUOTE]
Manuals are very rare. I know like one person with one and it's an old car.
I didn't even know M series comes in auto
Im a big fan of paddle shifters. Semi-automatic transmission.
Manuals are not rare at all outside of the US.
[QUOTE=fragger0;48140007]I can't believe only 5% of their sales are manuals, I mean literally everyone I know in the UK drives manual and every now and then you see someones dad with a mega posh car that's auto... Maybe it's just where I live but i very very very rarely hear of anyone even considering buying an automatic.
Is it totally different in the US or something?[/QUOTE]
Even for muscle cars manuals are somewhat rare here
I did my test in a manual because it's stupid not to but like fuck am I getting a manual car. I just want to get where I want to go without any hassle.
[QUOTE=Jackpody;48139374]Going to go on a limb here but if we analyse the transmission question through superiority, the manual transmission would in theory be superior to the automatic[b] by US law as you may drive both a manual and an automatic if you get your license in a manual car, but if you take your license in an automatic, you're limited to those.[/B] Not much to say about the rest of the world as you must take your license in a manual car.
On the article, I haven't been able to find any other sources claiming this. Anyone able to find more?[/QUOTE]
what
that isn't even remotely true, you can drive whatever you want regardless of what you took your drivers test in
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aside from a motorcycle/extra large truck, which have separate licenses altogether
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;48140072]
Manuals are very rare. I know like one person with one and it's an old car.[/QUOTE]
You Americans are a bunch of weirdos, did you know?
Thats stupid, in Australia it depends on what you drive but if you do it in a manual you can drive both.
As a car guy myself I wouldn't really care just make sure that you don't get rid of paddle shifting because paddle shifting is the one thing that is fun in some of the newer cars. The only other thing that would be nice is more support for tuning software. I can dream :)
[QUOTE=apierce1289;48140276]As a car guy myself I wouldn't really care just make sure that you don't get rid of paddle shifting because paddle shifting is the one thing that is fun in some of the newer cars. The only other thing that would be nice is more support for tuning software. I can dream :)[/QUOTE]
Paddle shifting is nice when the car you drive has enough power. What's the fun in driving a compact with 80hp and paddle shifts?
[QUOTE]Manuals are very rare. I know like one person with one and it's an old car.[/QUOTE]
That's crazy, it's the complete opposite in the UK.
[QUOTE=Adeptus;48140303]Paddle shifting is nice when the car you drive has enough power. What's the fun in driving a compact with 80hp and paddle shifts?[/QUOTE]
You have more control over those 80hp and can floor it in the gear of your choice rather than embarrassing yourself any time you want to pass someone because your car automatically drops to first any time the accelerator is pressed more than halfway. If anything I'd want a manual transmission even more if the car has no power - if you've got a good turbo or decent v6/v8 an auto isn't as bad because you don't need to use 100% throttle anywhere near as often just to pass someone.
And yeah as long as BMW can make a decent DCT like Porsche or VAG 's PDK/DSG rather than a traditional slushbox, all is well IMO since I think they try to tailor more towards making "The ultimate car" rather than "The ultimate driving experience." If they're just going to put plain old automatics in everything I'd be better off getting an automatic Miata than any 2/3 series.
And no red cogs of death like the e60 m5's, please. That'd be cool too.
[QUOTE=Adeptus;48140303]Paddle shifting is nice when the car you drive has enough power. What's the fun in driving a compact with 80hp and paddle shifts?[/QUOTE]
That's true but that wasn't my point my point was that paddle shifting can be fun in most sports cars.
Fact not mentioned: how each auto transmission adds up at the very least an extra 1000$ on the price.
[QUOTE=n0cturni;48140335]You have more control over those 80hp and can floor it in the gear of your choice rather than embarrassing yourself any time you want to pass someone because your car automatically drops to first any time the accelerator is pressed more than halfway. If anything I'd want a manual transmission even more if the car has no power - if you've got a good turbo or decent v6/v8 an auto isn't as bad because you don't need to use 100% throttle anywhere near as often just to pass someone.
And yeah as long as BMW can make a decent DCT like Porsche or VAG 's PDK/DSG rather than a traditional slushbox, all is well IMO since I think they try to tailor more towards making "The ultimate car" rather than "The ultimate driving experience." If they're just going to put plain old automatics in everything I'd be better off getting an automatic Miata than any 2/3 series.
And no red cogs of death like the e60 m5's, please. That'd be cool too.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention trying to drive at a certain speed that the car doesn't like. Not as big a deal with modern autos but it's still there.
[QUOTE=kweh;48140382]Fact not mentioned: how each auto transmission adds up at the very least an extra 1000$ on the price.[/QUOTE]
Or an extra $0. It's not 1995 anymore, many automatics cost no more than their manual counterparts, and some are actually cheaper.
And really, if manual is only 5% of their sales and they end up going automatic-only, then they'll save money by not having to tool up for a second niche production line and the per-unit price will go down. Producing a separate product line for a very tiny minority of the population seems like bad business whether you like manual or not.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48139921]Reason #254 for driving a car with manual transmission: rev matching.
Smiles per gallon > miles per gallon, every time.
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Yea but, a few years ago you could get an X3 or an X5 with a manual tranamission. Because not everyone is purchasing them, they're almost discontinued. :/
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Blame it on upper class, lazy soccer moms.[/QUOTE]
yeah I don't care how much money I throw out the window on the way to work guys! it's ok because I'm getting more "smiles per gallon" than you automatic-driving plebeians!
piss off dude. a car is a utility to most people.
[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;48140455]yeah I don't care how much money I throw out the window on the way to work guys! it's ok because I'm getting more "smiles per gallon" than you automatic-driving plebeians!
piss off dude. a car is a utility to most people.[/QUOTE]
To each his own. I just don't share the opinion of treating a car like another soulless home appliance, like a refrigerator with 4 wheels and a steering wheel.
However, I find hilarious that you'd consider driving with a manual transmission less fuel efficient than driving with an auto transmission.
It's not like the audience for BMWs care for manuals
Or own them
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;48140474]It's not like the audience for BMWs care for manuals
Or own them[/QUOTE]
The majority of the ///M enthusiasts actually care about manuals.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48140471]To each his own.[/QUOTE]
You post about how manual is ~gloriously superior~ to automatic and blame the popularity of automatics on 'upper class, lazy soccer moms', and then when called out on such a stupid generalization say 'to each his own' as if you're just expressing your personal preference. This kind of attitude is exactly why a lot of people think manual drivers come off as elitists.
If you enjoy driving a manual, fine, that's your choice. Really, nobody cares until you start pushing this 'manual is always better and you're lazy if you drive automatic' thing.
The same exact argument can be used for those on the side of automatic. Don't use elitism as leverage, it's a dumb argument when theres no argument to be had.
It's completely a preference thing.
[QUOTE=catbarf;48140520]You post about how manual is ~gloriously superior~ to automatic and blame the popularity of automatics on 'upper class, lazy soccer moms', and then when called out on such a stupid generalization say 'to each his own' as if you're just expressing your personal preference. This kind of attitude is exactly why a lot of people think manual drivers come off as elitists.
If you enjoy driving a manual, fine, that's your choice. Really, nobody cares until you start pushing this 'manual is always better and you're lazy if you drive automatic' thing.[/QUOTE]
Just going with the stereotype*, that's all. Can't help sounding snobby about it.
*AT car drivers
[QUOTE=catbarf;48140520]You post about how manual is ~gloriously superior~ to automatic and blame the popularity of automatics on 'upper class, lazy soccer moms', and then when called out on such a stupid generalization say 'to each his own' as if you're just expressing your personal preference. This kind of attitude is exactly why a lot of people think manual drivers come off as elitists.
If you enjoy driving a manual, fine, that's your choice. Really, nobody cares until you start pushing this 'manual is always better and you're lazy if you drive automatic' thing.[/QUOTE]
You're putting words in his mouth. He never blamed the popularity of automatics for being "only for lazy soccer moms", he blamed the lack of BMW SUV's manual transmissions for the soccer mom stereotype which is completely true - those SUV's had their manual transmissions phased out because of its buyers. You're making his post seem much worse than it is. After all, the manual vs automatic all boils down to preferences.
[QUOTE=Jackpody;48140556]You're putting words in his mouth. He never blamed the popularity of automatics for being "only for lazy soccer moms", he blamed the lack of BMW SUV's manual transmissions for the soccer mom stereotype which is completely true - those SUV's had their manual transmissions phased out because of its buyers. You're making his post seem much worse than it is. After all, the manual vs automatic all boils down to preferences.[/QUOTE]
Haha thanks, man [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-unsmith.gif[/img]
I don't even know how to drive automatic, the car in my driving school had manual transmission
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;48140566]I don't even know how to drive automatic, the car in my driving school had manual transmission[/QUOTE]
It's way too easy - just remember to push an imaginary clutch and you'll do fine. I kept doing that all the time... force of habit.
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And since you won't be using your right arm, you can use it to flip off MT drivers on the road, for driving cars with such archaic technology. :v:
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