Lebanon To Defend Itself Against Israeli Attack Regardless of Them Being Against Hezollah - Polidicks

This is why I never participate in these kinds of threads. It's a never ending "he said she said" argument that ends with no one's opinion on the matter being changed and everyone angrier and more hell bent on their beliefs than before. I swear the internet sometimes seems like one of the worst things ever created.

And you are making it sound like that's all they got. Out of half the land of Palestine that they got, 1/4 was usable. Also after the Israeli independence war, Israel got more land, most of it was useful (what the Arabs got for their country minus Gaza and the West Bank). The most fertile land in Israel today is the north, where more than 90% of the crops are grown. The big cities are in the middle of Israel, Tel-Aviv and the area, which is the most populated area. However, the desert of Israel is worth next to nothing, and only recently did the government start to try and settle the area, there are settlements of course in the desert, it's not completely de-populated, but they're only on very specific places which have access to water (for example Eilat, the southernmost city in Israel, which is on the Red Sea).

[QUOTE=starpluck;21585982]I'm going to Lebanon this summer, I swear to God if Israel pulls anything while I'm there.[/QUOTE] Ooh man I bet they're shitting their pants now, some dude on a forum is gonna go up against their military

[QUOTE=starpluck;21585982] You should really check it out, I never seen a man speak so much truth before. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] Everything he said was fine up until 5:40. I really disagree with what he said at that point and IMO, he's very very wrong.

O so you've all been into Isreal and talked to army officials and been onto the gaza strip and had snipers try and shoot your from across the border? O, you haven't? You've just been believed what you've been fed over the news and don't know 1/4 of whats going on? O ya, right. That's me. You haven't seen the home made bombs that are fired into Isreal every day, killing families and destroying homes. You only see the occasional bomb that Isreal fires in self defense.

[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;21586342]Israel has done what is necessary to defend itself. Imagine being the one country surrounded by your enemies..[/QUOTE] That's usually what happens when you go into a politically volatile area and bomb and burn out a space for yourself to live.

Maccabee, just because they haven't been there doesn't mean they can't read the news and draw their own conclusions. That's like saying none of us know history because we didn't live in the past.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21588081]Maccabee, just because they haven't been there doesn't mean they can't read the news and draw their own conclusions. That's like saying none of us know history because we didn't live in the past.[/QUOTE] But the news feeds you what you want to hear. I'm saying I've seen the news and seen the real thing and the news isn't telling you half the story.

[QUOTE=Maccabee;21588098]But the news feeds you what you want to hear. I'm saying I've seen the news and seen the real thing and the news isn't telling you half the story.[/QUOTE] Or maybe you're biased. Considering you live in a country where half the population thinks arabs shouldn't have equal rights, it seems like a possibility you should keep on the table.

[QUOTE=TH89;21588131]Or maybe you're biased. Considering you live in a country where half the population thinks arabs shouldn't have equal rights, it seems like a possibility you should keep on the table.[/QUOTE] I live in America.

[QUOTE=Maccabee;21588005]O so you've all been into Isreal and talked to army officials and been onto the gaza strip and had snipers try and shoot your from across the border? O, you haven't? You've just been believed what you've been fed over the news and don't know 1/4 of whats going on? O ya, right. That's me. You haven't seen the home made bombs that are fired into Isreal every day, killing families and destroying homes. You only see the occasional bomb that Isreal fires in self defense.[/QUOTE] lol. "The occasional bomb Israel fires in self-defense". I hope you know the claims you made that every day families and homes are destroyed are false. Also, these are the home-made bombs you were referring to. [IMG]http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3319/quassa5zo7.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5854/quassa6tu4.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://pakalert.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hamas-rocket-causes-devastation-in-israel.jpg[/IMG] Note, I wont post the after math of the "Occasional bomb Israel fires in self-defense" since the images are very disturbing, instead I will show you the destruction. [IMG]http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gaza_phosphorus_bomb.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://isiria.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/white-phosphorus.jpg[/IMG] Actually, after re-reading what you said, you seemed to have confused Palestine and Israel around.

[QUOTE=Maccabee;21588158]I live in America.[/QUOTE] Oh, so where are you getting your insider information that the international News Conspiracy doesn't want us to see?

[QUOTE=starpluck;21588183]photos[/IMG] Actually, after re-reading what you said, you seemed to have confused Palestine and Israel around.[/QUOTE] Ya, they suck at making bombs. If they didn't they would have destroyed isreal. But there intent is to harm isreal for no reason, and when Isreal fires bombs they don't do it for no reason. [editline]04:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;21588187]Oh, so where are you getting your insider information that the international News Conspiracy doesn't want us to see?[/QUOTE] If I told you that, I'd have to kill you. No seriously my Dad is a pastor of a church that donates money Isreal relief efforts. There are squads that are around 24/7 that go to the aid of people injured by bombs. [editline]04:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=starpluck;21588183]lol. Actually, after re-reading what you said, you seemed to have confused Palestine and Israel around.[/QUOTE] Also, those are some of the crappier bombs. I have a picture of a crate made by one of there bombs that actually hit the car one of my fathers Isreali friends was in.

[QUOTE=Maccabee;21588217]Ya, they suck at making bombs. If they didn't they would have destroyed isreal. But there intent is to harm isreal for no reason, and when Isreal fires bombs they don't do it for no reason.[/QUOTE] You claim the following: [LIST] [*]Hamas is attacking Israel for no reason; nothing is motivating these attacks and Hamas was not empowered by Israel. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Israel on the other hand, fires the occasional self-defense bomb because they have a reason to strike civilian areas. [/LIST] Correct? I am going to respond, but I want to make sure that this is what you said in case you deny it.

[QUOTE=Maccabee;21588217]Ya, they suck at making bombs. If they didn't they would have destroyed isreal. But there intent is to harm isreal for no reason, and when Isreal fires bombs they don't do it for no reason. [editline]04:00PM[/editline] If I told you that, I'd have to kill you. No seriously my Dad is a pastor of a church that donates money Isreal relief efforts. There are squads that are around 24/7 that go to the aid of people injured by bombs. [editline]04:01PM[/editline] Also, those are some of the crappier bombs. I have a picture of a crate made by one of there bombs that actually hit the car one of my fathers Isreali friends was in.[/QUOTE] I'd appreciate it if you could spell my country's name correctly, the spelling is Israel, not Isreal. Edit: Also, starpluck, are you going to respond to my post at the Israel - Palestine thread discussion?

The motivation for the attack is that they think Isreal is rightfully theirs, when it is not. Or atleast that's what it boils down too. Also, tell me, where do you read this news? I'm guessing you don't read Isreali papers? I bet you prrooobbably read American papers. Am I right? [editline]04:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21588285]I'd appreciate it if you could spell my country's name correctly, the spelling is Israel, not Isreal.[/QUOTE] It's my country too. Grammar Natzi. O the irony.

I thought you said you were from America, and if it's your country too then it's a lot worse to spell it wrong. Also, it's "Nazi" (I'm a spelling Nazi).

[QUOTE=Maccabee;21588217]If I told you that, I'd have to kill you. No seriously my Dad is a pastor of a church that donates money Isreal relief efforts. There are squads that are around 24/7 that go to the aid of people injured by bombs.[/QUOTE] So, pretty much an incredibly Israel-biased source of information. Also, I think you mean rockets not bombs. Hamas doesn't have any planes to drop bombs from. And injuries from Hamas's rocket attacks are incredibly rare. Why would there need to be a "special squad?" Israel has lots of ambulances and hospitals. You're saying some pretty weird shit, could you maybe back it up with some sources? [editline]05:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Maccabee;21588302]The motivation for the attack is that they think Isreal is rightfully theirs, when it is not. Or atleast that's what it boils down too. Also, tell me, where do you read this news? I'm guessing you don't read Isreali papers? I bet you prrooobbably read American papers. Am I right?[/QUOTE] BBC, Reuters, and the AP

[QUOTE=Maccabee;21588302]The motivation for the attack is that they think Isreal is rightfully theirs, when it is not. Or atleast that's what it boils down too. Also, tell me, where do you read this news? I'm guessing you don't read Isreali papers? I bet you prrooobbably read American papers. Am I right?[/QUOTE] O! The irony! This thread's source [B]IS [/B]an Israeli Newspaper. Also, I don't understand what you're trying to imply, are you saying the American media are in on this Pro-Palestinian conspiracy? Millions of Palestinians have been unjustly deprived of property, liberty, and life by Israel since 1948. This is indisputable, and this is a legitimate grievance. Until it is acknowledged, addressed, and dealt with by Israel...the Palestinians will continue to fight no matter how hopeless it is or how many of them the Israelis kill. As would any people. Home demolitions "to make room for a tourist" center, expulsions of Palestinian from the West Bank, indiscriminate killings. [HIGHLIGHT] SETTLEMENT EXPANSIONS[/HIGHLIGHT] onto recognized Palestinian territory the list goes on, on how Hamas was empowered.

I don't know if the Hamas has bombs but several years ago there was a lot of suicide bombings in Israel (by Arabs), which caused a lot of deaths, this has stopped in recent years though.

One of the reason they stopped was building a wall which nowadays saves many Israeli's lives.

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country." - David Ben-Gurion. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." - Moshe Dayan, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail" - Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, NY Times, Feb 28, 1994.

Cool sentences... How do they contribute to the discussion?

Since when quoting people = opinion of whole nation?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21588648]Cool sentences... How do they contribute to the discussion?[/QUOTE] It displays the Zionist mentality, and when Ben even admitted himself, he'd never sign a peace agreement with Israel, and yet pro-Israelis criticize Hamas and such for not doing so. [editline]05:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;21588666]Since when quoting people = opinion of whole nation?[/QUOTE] Leader of your nation, represents your nation. I can't believe you asked that.

He represents the nation, but it doesn't mean that what he thinks, the entire nation thinks, or that the entire nation believes in what he says. Also I don't see how they represent Zionist mentality. You can't take everything he said literally, perhaps he meant that, from a Palestinian point of view, signing peace isn't a possibility, but the truth is that it's the right action to take. [editline]07:41PM[/editline] Also the second quote is incorrect: "Rishon LeZion was founded on July 31, 1882 by ten Hovevei Zion pioneers from Kharkov, Ukraine (then the Russian Empire) headed by Zalman David Levontin." [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishon_LeZion[/url] There are a lot of other settlements which were established with no previous Arab population in the area.

Look, this is the whole cycle, it's pretty short: A leftist government is chosen in Israel. Everyone wants peace with the surrounding nation(s) that's haven't agreed on a peace yet. The government does it's best to reach that BY DEMOCRACY. But, it fails badly, because different anti-Israel organization/armies/whatever provokes Israel. The government feels the pressure by the nation, because people aren't happy by the rockets falling on their housing and whatnot. Then the government decide to sway from it's leftist position and attack back. Then the Arab organization/army/whatever starts to cry that Israel was the first to attack and it's the bigger evil and whatnot. Obviously it produces more pro-Arabs. Some time after, a right(-ist) government is chosen because people are pissed, they understand that democracy have failed them, but they still want to live in peace. They choose a government that promises to end all wars by power, again, since democracy didn't work. The new government uses power, which again, produces even more pro-Arabs, but, it works quite well up until the next conflict, after which a leftist government is chosen. And that's it really, the cycle goes on and on...

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21588763]He represents the nation, but it doesn't mean that what he thinks, the entire nation thinks, or that the entire nation believes in what he says. Also I don't see how they represent Zionist mentality. You can't take everything he said literally, perhaps he meant that, from a Palestinian point of view, signing peace isn't a possibility, but the truth is that it's the right action to take.[/QUOTE] If he meant it from he Palestinian point of view, he wouldn't of said "It is normal; because we took their land". Just like how Nethanyu said he would've joined a Palestinian terrorist organization if he was born in Palestine.

BurnEmDown, did you think about the fact that when Israel was declared it was a country for both Jews and Arabs and they didn't want that so they started a war which we won, and they ruined their opportunity to live here peacefully?

So now because you claim to understand exactly what meant you are right and we are wrong. Edit: Of course I know about these facts.