Lebanon To Defend Itself Against Israeli Attack Regardless of Them Being Against Hezollah - Polidicks

Try to mention them next time

I love the "Israel is surrounded by enemies" argument. It's like me blowing up a room of your house and squatting in it after I've changed the furniture, and then being really surprised when you don't like me.

I mention them when it's relevant. Cloak, it's more complicated than this, it's more like a mother with a son living in a house, then the mother adopts another kid, then her son getting really pissed off that he has to share all his toys, tries to hit the kid, and gets his ass handed to him, then cries to mommy.

I dont understand the whole deal with Israel. somebody care to enlighten me?

If you're really curious you could read the whole thread and other threads relevant, I can give you links to these threads if you want.

What a great shitstorm we got brewing here. Really makes me reminisce back to the days when Lankist would troll and argue every thread on here. [editline]02:24PM[/editline] :munch:

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21591366]What a great shitstorm we got brewing here. Really makes me reminisce back to the days when Lankist would troll and argue every thread on here. [editline]02:24PM[/editline] :munch:[/QUOTE] Lankist and firerain, those were the best threads. But seriously, these threads never seem to go anywhere it always seems like its the same people saying the same thing.

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21591366]What a great shitstorm we got brewing here. Really makes me reminisce back to the days when Lankist would troll and argue every thread on here. [editline]02:24PM[/editline] :munch:[/QUOTE] But actually I find this discussion somewhat interesting

Join the Military: Fight for israel [editline]09:17PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Maccabee;21588217]Ya, they suck at making bombs. If they didn't they would have destroyed isreal. But there intent is to harm isreal for no reason, and when Isreal fires bombs they don't do it for no reason.[/QUOTE] Besides the reason that Israel is an invading force?

If Israel declares war on Lebanon, I think it's time someone declares war on Israel and actually wins against them.

[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;21586342]Facts? Hahahaha. Fucking internet. You know nothing of history, but pretend you do. Fucking bleeding hearts with your brainwashed, abuse of freedom, "GOD FORBID WE OFFEND ANYONE" attitude. Israel has done what is necessary to defend itself. Imagine being the one country surrounded by your enemies. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. People have hated Jews since the beginning of time and this is no different, it just never ends.[/QUOTE] Well history has shown that going against the Jewish people will result in your demise. It isn't wise to go against the Jews. [editline]05:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21594140]Join the Military: Fight for israel [editline]09:17PM[/editline] Besides the reason that Israel is an invading force?[/QUOTE] No thats what they want all you bleeding hearted westerners to think, their actual goal is the destruction of all those Jewish. (according to Hamas, hezbollah ect. and many others elected into power in arab countries.) [editline]05:20PM[/editline] Why is it so hard for you westerners to understand that Arabs generally fight Israel based solely on religious grounds? You can't rationalize it on the sociological principals of your pampered upbringings, its not a part of your culture and trying to see it as something that can be applied in your culture is foolish and arrogant.

Well, Israel has fucked up Lebanon twice now in self-defense, first time after the PLO (specifically Fatah), and later Hezbollah. There's only so long a country can simply lay back while another bombs it to hell constantly. It's hard enough with the current Lebanese government dealing with the strong influence Hezbollah wields in the south and causing it problems, and being wedged in between ambitions of Israel and Syria.

If you are pro-Israel or pro-Palestinians, you're biased either way.

[QUOTE=Idi Amin;21595595] Why is it so hard for you westerners to understand that Arabs generally fight Israel based solely on religious grounds? You can't rationalize it on the sociological principals of your pampered upbringings, its not a part of your culture and trying to see it as something that can be applied in your culture is foolish and arrogant.[/QUOTE] Actually the fight is mostly over land. The Muslims just use religion to get more support from the populace, the Jews do it too but to a lesser extent. [QUOTE=Dr Pepper;21596633]If you are pro-Israel or pro-Palestinians, you're biased either way.[/QUOTE] You can't actually NOT be biased, it's in our sub-conscious to pick the side in an argument that benefits us. So even if someone from... I don't know, Antartica, who has never heard of the subject, would one day know all about it from am officially non-biased source, he wouldn't take sides because he likes one country or group of people more (lets assume he likes them both equally), he would take the side he can more relate to psychologically, for example I'll quote a recent post I made: [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21588999] It's more like a mother with a son living in a house, then the mother adopts another kid, then her son getting really pissed off that he has to share all his toys, tries to hit the kid, and gets his ass handed to him, then cries to mommy.[/QUOTE] So if this was his childhood, and he was the adopted kid, he would say "hey those Palestinians have to share!", and if he was the other kid he would say "hey those Israelis can't just take their land!", even if he totally forgot about his childhood, it's forever imprinted in his mind, his choice who to support was clear before he knew about the conflict.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;21587247]ItchyBarracuda, BurnEmDown - it's pointless to argue against pro-Arabs. It's the same like arguing against Christians - it will never end. BloodYScar - because they've already tried and failed badly? Israel's army is WAYYYYYY more advanced than any Arab state.[/QUOTE] This is literally one of the dumbest posts I've seen on Facepunch. Pro-arab? Scuse me for not being pro-israel who, from their actions, really isn't deserving of a "positive" view point sometimes.

But that makes no sense?

[QUOTE=MercZ;21595996]Well, Israel has fucked up Lebanon twice now in self-defense, first time after the PLO (specifically Fatah), and later Hezbollah. There's only so long a country can simply lay back while another bombs it to hell constantly. It's hard enough with the current Lebanese government dealing with the strong influence Hezbollah wields in the south and causing it problems, and being wedged in between ambitions of Israel and Syria.[/QUOTE] Israel's involvement in Lebanon on both occasions were embarrassing. The second time was like your own personal Vietnam. Hezbollah fucked you up real good. And analysis say they're stronger now than ever.

Israel piss on all the arab countries, and all the arab countries piss on Israel. I'm pretty sure when we are all dead, this shit will still go on.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21603605]This is literally one of the dumbest posts I've seen on Facepunch. Pro-arab? Scuse me for not being pro-israel who, from their actions, really isn't deserving of a "positive" view point sometimes.[/QUOTE] It's funny how you put words into my mouth and get insulted by your own words at the same time.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;21604786]It's funny how you put words into my mouth and get insulted by your own words at the same time.[/QUOTE] It's funny because you said people were pro-arab for not supporting Israel's rather poor policies.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;21604786]It's funny how you put words into my mouth and get insulted by your own words at the same time.[/QUOTE] ...Yeah, that's what I did. No, you said "Pro-arab" for not being on israels side. No one here is pro-arab I'm willing to bet. People just don't want to support a country that has shitty policies. What the fuck else does it have to do with anything?

Since most of pro-Israelis here are actually Jews, then don't you think that they might be a little biased? I've seen pro-Israelis here refer to Israel as "my country". Even if you live in Israel, it's never good to base arguments on patriotism. Also I don't think you should start going against Christians like that. As far as I know, only Jew and a few Christians are pro-Israel.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;21604940]It's funny because you said people were pro-arab for not supporting Israel's rather poor policies.[/QUOTE] Well, by your posts, you support them, so you can't be called neutral nor pro-Israeli, so the only one left is pro-Arab.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21605013]...Yeah, that's what I did. No, you said "Pro-arab" for not being on israels side. No one here is pro-arab I'm willing to bet. People just don't want to support a country that has shitty policies. What the fuck else does it have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] Trying to imply that we sympathize with "terrorists".

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;21605111]Well, by your posts, you support them, so you can't be called neutral nor pro-Israeli, so the only one left is pro-Arab.[/QUOTE] I don't support them. I understand them. Big difference. There is not a nation, or peoples who wouldn't act how the Palestinians react. I don't condone anything. But I expect it to happen.

You think the desire to annihilate every innocent man, woman and child is an expectable reaction?

[QUOTE=Jund;21605106]Since most of pro-Israelis here are actually Jews, then don't you think that they might be a little biased? I've seen pro-Israelis here refer to Israel as "my country". Even if you live in Israel, it's never good to base arguments on patriotism. Also I don't think you should start going against Christians like that. As far as I know, only Jew and a few Christians are pro-Israel.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter if I'm Jewish or live in Israel, this discussion is about facts, not about feelings. I will defend my country as much as I see fit and it's up to the rest of you to decide who to support, if I won't change my mind no matter what it doesn't make my arguments "less worthy" or whatever. And by the way I'm not like other people in my country who think it's the best country in the world, these semi-fascists idiots say what they are taught to say and I don't think anyone here will say I'm like them. [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;21605111]Well, by your posts, you support them, so you can't be called neutral nor pro-Israeli, so the only one left is pro-Arab.[/QUOTE] You could just say "Anti-Israeli", I've used it before and no one complained.

[QUOTE=starpluck;21585982]talks about the Lebanese militia Hezbollah and openly supports and praises their resistance: "They (Hezbollah) show courage, they show discipline, I respect that"[/QUOTE] He openly supports a recognised terrorist organisation? Cool beans. What a good guy. Just because he's Jewish doesn't give any credibility towards his argument.

Every time someone posts something about Israel or Palestine, this shitstorm is created.

[QUOTE=starpluck;21588617]"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country." - David Ben-Gurion.[/QUOTE] This is probably one of the most recognised quotes by Ben-Gurion as it does not seem to be supporting his cause. Oddly enough, he also said this: "I believe in our power, in our power which will grow, and if it will grow agreement will come..." So maybe he realised if they bomb the opposition constantly, they will submit? It worked with other countries in Israel's past... [editline]10:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hehe;21605737]Every time someone posts something about Israel or Palestine, this shitstorm is created.[/QUOTE] This is true, because you always have the usual users attempting to argue because they've got nothing better to do in their lives other than be backseat commentators.