[QUOTE=dogmachines;23268007]This is true, social welfare programs have an excellent goal but as far as implementation they tend to suck down cash and go over budget.[/QUOTE]
tell that to Scandinavia
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23267967]Dems still have more money.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure about that?
Even so that probably won't be the case in the future:
[url]http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/22/nation/la-na-calif-campaign22-2010jan22[/url]
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[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268002]Politics is bullshit. Always has been.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;23268026]That's the wrong thing to do.
And they're both equally as evil.[/QUOTE]
You basically have to pick one or not vote.
You'd rather have crazies pick your leaders for you?
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268016]Nixon[/QUOTE]
Nixon was actually an ok president up until Watergate, he actually tried to move forward with international relations rather than closing his eyes, plugging his ears, and ignoring countries like China.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23268024]Woodrow Wilson[/QUOTE]
what did he do?
also Coolidge
[QUOTE=Wayword;23268025]Obama didn't start a war, or have extremely high international disapproval ratings.
on top of that, obama is trying to bring in socialized healthcare, a thing most other western countries already have.[/QUOTE]
Instead of doing what everyone else is doing, why don't we have a system like the republicans proposed, which is elevating competition in healthcare to make it cheap and available for everyone without the tax increases?
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268027]tell that to Scandinavia[/QUOTE]
Here in the US they are running in to problems, perhaps we should look at the Scandinavian programs and see what we can learn.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;23268042]Nixon was actually an ok president up until Watergate, he actually tried to move forward with international relations rather than closing his eyes, plugging his ears, and ignoring countries like China.[/QUOTE]
He also started the trainwreck that is the war on drugs.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268047]what did he do?
also Coolidge[/QUOTE]
Wilson created the Federal Reserve and pushed us into World War I when we were trying to stay out of it.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23268056]Instead of doing what everyone else is doing, why don't we have a system like the republicans proposed, which is elevating competition in healthcare to make it cheap and available for everyone without the tax increases?[/QUOTE]
Because everyone else is doing it, and the average lifespan in longer everywhere else, therefore it works.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268047]what did he do?
also Coolidge[/QUOTE]
Got us in WWI and promoted union growth.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268062]He also started the trainwreck that is the war on drugs.[/QUOTE]
I was just pointing out that while he failed miserably in some things, in others he took crucial steps forward.
that doesn't nearly seem as bad as bush
[QUOTE=dogmachines;23268042]Nixon was actually an ok president up until Watergate, he actually tried to move forward with international relations rather than closing his eyes, plugging his ears, and ignoring countries like China.[/QUOTE]
Carter was actually an ok president up until the Iran Hostage Crisis, he actually tried to move forward with international relations rather than closing his eyes, plugging his ears, and ignoring countries like China.
[QUOTE=Wayword;23268071]Because everyone else is doing it, and the average lifespan in longer everywhere else, therefore it works.[/QUOTE]
They're small tiny countries, and we have no clue if it'll work in such a big place.
Let's wait some more decades and see if the EU is still around.
It works in canada
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Australia too
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268097]that doesn't nearly seem as bad as bush[/QUOTE]
WWI was a total disaster.
Duh
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23268103]They're small tiny countries, and we have no clue if it'll work in such a big place.
Let's wait some more decades and see if the EU is still around.[/QUOTE]
What does population have to do with anything?
America is one of the richest countries in the world, tax the rich people living in mansions and yachts, and give it to the poor who can barely afford food.
That's the idea of every other country.
[QUOTE=jeimizu;23268100]Carter was actually an ok president up until the Iran Hostage Crisis, he actually tried to move forward with international relations rather than closing his eyes, plugging his ears, and ignoring countries like China.[/QUOTE]
Totally valid way to make a point.
[QUOTE=Wayword;23268025]Obama didn't start a war, or have extremely high international disapproval ratings.
on top of that, obama is trying to bring in socialized healthcare, a thing most other western countries already have.[/QUOTE]
Obama is behind the war in Afghanistan more than bush was. Kissing ass to the world to get a good approval rating doesn't make you a better president it just makes you a kiss ass. He isn't trying to bring in socialized healthcare. He's trying to make health care more affordable for people who can't get coverage from other insurance companies or afford premiums.
Stop recycling old and tired arguments and make your own.
are you saying either of the two wars that bush started aren't?
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268112]It works in canada
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Australia too[/QUOTE]
They aren't that big population wise. Canada and Australia have nowhere near 300 million citizens.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268112]It works in canada
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Australia too[/QUOTE]
Canada has the population of New York and Texas.
Australia has the population of Texas.
[QUOTE=Wayword;23268136]What does population have to do with anything?
America is one of the richest countries in the world, tax the rich people living in mansions and yachts, and give it to the poor who can barely afford food.
That's the idea of every other country.[/QUOTE]
They already do that.
[QUOTE=Wayword;23268136]What does population have to do with anything?
America is one of the richest countries in the world, tax the rich people living in mansions and yachts, and give it to the poor who can barely afford food.
That's the idea of every other country.[/QUOTE]
Then the system only works with the poor. It screws over rich people.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23267995]They're on the same level.[/QUOTE]
not at all. that is probably one of the most stupid things I've heard.
What obama did was blow up the Massachusetts system to the national scale.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23268142]are you saying either of the two wars that bush started aren't?[/QUOTE]
Afghanistan works and we are winning, Iraq was a total disaster but didn't cost nearly as many lives.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;23268141]Obama is behind the war in Afghanistan more than bush was. Kissing ass to the world to get a good approval rating doesn't make you a better president it just makes you a kiss ass. He isn't trying to bring in socialized healthcare. He's trying to make health care more affordable for people who can't get coverage from other insurance companies or afford premiums.
Stop recycling old and tired arguments and make your own.[/QUOTE]
What kind of arguments are there? He's barely done anything, most likely due to filibustering, I'm not saying I support him, he's just less shit than Bush. If you disagree you're an idiot.
Also, international approval ratings are important, don't pretend they're not.
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