[QUOTE=Wayword;23268883]I'm not blaming anything on Islam, but the religion aspect isn't entirely irrelevant.
That's my point.[/QUOTE]
the motive had nothing to do with Islam
that's my point
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23268878]however the religion itself doesn't endorse it, nor is terrorism in any way a mainstream part of Islam. Blaming terrorism on Islam is stupid because it's a lot more complicated than that.[/QUOTE]
Taking what he said out of context and you know it.
I think it's possible to say 9/11 was the result of genuine problems in the middle east caused by the US and yet it still was a barbaric and cruel attack.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;23268893]A group of radical Muslims attacks the USA and Islam is not at all a part of it? Hard to believe.[/QUOTE]
an extremist, who happened to be a Christian, called Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building and killed 168 people
is Christianity involved now?
[QUOTE=dogmachines;23268893]A group of radical Muslims attacks the USA and Islam is not at all a part of it? Hard to believe.[/QUOTE]
how bought we remove the religion part and blame it on people who didn't like america
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hate is a better word
[QUOTE=JDK721;23268914]an extremist, who happened to be a Christian, called Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building and killed 168 people
is Christianity involved now?[/QUOTE]
Oh, so he was a member of a Christian extremist group who obviously hates the USA and has a loathing of non-Christians?
-snip should shut up about the middle east-
[QUOTE=dogmachines;23268901]Taking what he said out of context and you know it.[/QUOTE]
i didn't take anything he said. I just disagreed with him
Why are you guys arguing over religion?
You are just wasting your energy when you should be sleeping :/
if someone kills in the name of islam, they are no longer a muslim
[QUOTE=clonekiller;23268966]Why are you guys arguing over religion?
You are just wasting your energy when you should be sleeping :/[/QUOTE]
Very good point. Going to sleep now instead of debating poly-tiks on the internet.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;23268954]Oh, so he was a member of a Christian extremist group who obviously hates the USA and has a loathing of non-Christians?[/QUOTE]
he wasn't a member of any militias, but he was basically the same in their ideology. he read the same material, etc.
and yes, he hated the US government. a loathing of non-Christians? no
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23268959]If someone kills in the name in Islam, Islam is involved. If someone kills in the name of Christianity, Christianity is involved. If someone kills in the name of his cat, his cat is involved.[/QUOTE]
but they didn't kill in the name of islam. Bin Laden himself said that the attacks were because of the U.S.'s support of Israel's crimes against Palestinians
[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html[/URL]
jesus christ learn about shit before you talk about shit
either way he still killed people
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[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23268959]If someone kills in the name in Islam, Islam is involved. If someone kills in the name of Christianity, Christianity is involved. If someone kills in the name of his cat, his cat is involved.[/QUOTE]
except they aren't killing in the name of Islam. these are deluded people with mental issues. they've been discriminated against, alienated, and they're desperate. they find a sense of belonging with other extremists.
Islam does NOT support murder. these are EXTREMISTS who will twist the religion in their favor to justify their acts.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23268996]but they didn't kill in the name of islam. Bin Laden himself said that the attacks were because of the U.S.'s support of Israel's crimes against Palestinians
[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html[/URL]
jesus christ learn about shit before you talk about shit[/QUOTE]
My bad for using outdated and incorrect information.
[URL="http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/941.pdf"]Defense Trial Exhibit 941[/URL] from the trial [URL="http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/"]United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Criminal No. 01-455-A[/URL] states the following:
[release]Sheikh Mohammed said that the purpose of the attack on the Twin Towers was to "wake the American people up." Sheikh Mohammed said that if the target would have been strictly military or government, the American people would not focus on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people and America's self-serving foreign policy that corrupts Arab governments and leads to further exploitation of the Arab/Muslim peoples.[/release]
Just like Christians
[QUOTE=JDK721;23269010]except they aren't killing in the name of Islam. these are deluded people with mental issues. they've been discriminated against, alienated, and they're desperate. they find a sense of belonging with other extremists.
Islam does NOT support murder. these are EXTREMISTS who will twist the religion in their favor to justify their acts.[/QUOTE]
you don't even need to make this argument because they never even claimed to kill in the name of Islam. like in my post, they attacked because of the US's support of Israel
now he's just gonna respond to your post instead of mine
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23268959]If someone kills in the name in Islam, Islam is involved. If someone kills in the name of Christianity, Christianity is involved. If someone kills in the name of his cat, his cat is involved.[/QUOTE]
But if someone kills in the name of a small extremist sect it's unfair to lump it together as the entire religion's fault.
[QUOTE=clonekiller;23268966]Why are you guys arguing over religion?
You are just wasting your energy when you should be sleeping :/[/QUOTE]
Not all of us are American. I am but I'm also Insomniac.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23269015]My bad for using outdated and incorrect information.[/QUOTE]
the article I linked is from 2004. jeeze man
I suppose a Liberal tea-party is a good idea. I've always been confused as to why Republicans are the only party to really get active and wave the flag. They make Liberal Democrats seems like stuffy un-patriotic assholes which I can safely say is not their intention.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23269035]the article I linked is from 2004. jeeze man[/QUOTE]
I should shut up about the middle east.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;23269020]Just like Christians[/QUOTE]
every group has its share of extremists
idiots today think that Islam is a violent religion and that Muslims support these extremists
Islamaphobia started happening very frequently after 9/11
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;23269041]I suppose a Liberal tea-party is a good idea. I've always been confused as to why Republicans are the only party to really get active and wave the flag. They make Liberal Democrats seems like stuffy un-patriotic assholes which I can safely say is not their intention.[/QUOTE]
They don't need one though. They have enough power without a tea party.
Republicans needed one because their power was utterly destroyed in the 2008 election.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;23269043]I should shut up about the middle east.[/QUOTE]
That's what Bush's rhetoric did to America. He constantly talked about how "they hate us for our freedom", and a lot of people bought that, but that's not it at all. It's clearly always been about Israel.
:respek: for admitting that you were wrong though
fuck liberal tea party
where is my party, the party for gay rights, secularization, gun rights, and mixed-economics
To be honest a liberal tea party sounds stupid I don't want even more big party groups who pretend like they're a rebel minority.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;23268482]How is that a punishment? [/QUOTE]
You're taking away half of their money, that's how.
Taxes are too high everywhere. Even for the poor. But you shouldn't [I]make [/I]the rich pay for the poor.
Which is why I don't believe in income tax
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