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[QUOTE=s0beit;32158582]Copping out behind the "it's a right" slogan?[/QUOTE] You guys do it for guns all the time. I personally think guns should be a privilege but I'm not going to advocate seizing all your guns.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158593]So people shouldn't be guaranteed education?[/QUOTE] "Guaranteed"? No, I don't think so. Both because it's an extremely childish view of government and because the government has no right to guarantee things to people at the expense of others. I don't mind some things being "in common", like I said some things are simply non-exclusionary, schooling isn't one of those things that needs to be nationalized. It currently is and isn't, hard to explain, but it is evident it's a failure. People could easily get an education in today's world on par with anything the public school system offers cheaply and efficiently, and without taking money from people who have no children or have children they themselves teach. [QUOTE=Zeke129;32158609]You guys do it for guns all the time. I personally think guns should be a privilege but I'm not going to advocate seizing all your guns.[/QUOTE] I believe rights are things that can be practiced without the imposition of a burden on another person. If you don't harm anyone doing it, it should be your right to do it. The word "right" is so useless though, anyway. It's always been used as a cop-out response to keep people from arguing the actual issue.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158627]"Guaranteed"? No, I don't think so. Both because it's an extremely childish view of government and because the government has no right to guarantee things to people at the expense of others. I don't mind some things being "in common", like I said some things are simply non-exclusionary, schooling isn't one of those things that needs to be nationalized. It currently is and isn't, hard to explain, but it is evident it's a failure. People could easily get an education in today's world on par with anything the public school system offers cheaply and efficiently, and without taking money from people who have no children or have children they themselves teach.[/QUOTE] And if they can't afford private schools?
USPS delivered my mail that I was supposed to receive from my bank to a wrong address and they never followed up with it even after the fact that I called them about it over a week ago. I don't give a fuck about them at this point.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158646]And if they can't afford private schools?[/QUOTE] You can have a computer course, you can be home schooled, you can be in a private school or you can be tutored by some one. To assume by default the best way to teach people is the public school system, would be to deny reality. It clearly isn't. [editline]e[/editline] At the bare minimum, I would allow for a standard test to be granted a certificate upon completion around the current grade-8 level, and another for grade 12 level. There's no reason people need to be taught in institutions.
[QUOTE=Ottomann;32158607]Then if the USPS went under that would leave room for companies to expand and be able to cover them.[/QUOTE] Don't you think that they would have already done that in order to increase profit margins? Needing to rely upon the USPS might not sound like a profitable thing, but they actually save money by not having to make promises about delivering into remote areas.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158670]You can have a computer course, you can be home schooled, you can be in a private school or you can be tutored by some one. To assume by default the best way to teach people is the public school system, would be to deny reality. It clearly isn't.[/QUOTE] If you can't afford private schools, what makes you think you can afford a computer+internet? What fantasy world are you living in?
There are also charitable organizations, people who make donations, scholarships, and good people who would do it out of kindness. Without the force of government.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158686]If you can't afford private schools, what makes you think you can afford a computer+internet? What fantasy world are you living in?[/QUOTE] In the year 2000 78.2% of the US population has computer and internet access. "THREE OUT OF FOUR AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, ACCORDING TO NIELSEN//NETRATINGS". I don't see a problem, and I don't see why an education course would be expensive. Some people might be nice enough to provide it for free, even. So, what fantasy world are you living in?
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158710]In the year 2000 78.2% of the US population has computer and internet access. "THREE OUT OF FOUR AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, ACCORDING TO NIELSEN//NETRATINGS". I don't see a problem, and I don't see why an education course would be expensive. Some people might be nice enough to provide it for free, even. So, what fantasy world are you living in?[/QUOTE] So only three out of four americans deserve to have an education? I think sub-saharan Africa has better stats than that
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158710]In the year 2000 78.2% of the US population has computer and internet access. "THREE OUT OF FOUR AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, ACCORDING TO NIELSEN//NETRATINGS". I don't see a problem, and I don't see why an education course would be expensive. Some people might be nice enough to provide it for free, even. So, what fantasy world are you living in?[/QUOTE] Of course you don't see a problem, you can't even see beyond your idealism enough to see that with no regulation, monopolies would be even more prevalent than they are now.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32158738]So only three out of four americans deserve to have an education? I think sub-saharan Africa has better stats than that[/QUOTE] So internet = education? Is that what we're rolling with? People couldn't be educated at home or by a tutor or any of those other things I've mentioned? [editline]e[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158743]Of course you don't see a problem, you can't even see beyond your idealism enough to see that with no regulation, monopolies would be even more prevalent than they are now.[/QUOTE] What does this have to do with anything? Seriously. It's a debate for another time, sure, but that is totally irrelevant.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158752]So internet = education? Is that what we're rolling with? People couldn't be educated at home or by a tutor or any of those other things I've mentioned?[/QUOTE] If a family's having a hard time paying for food, I can't envision any scenario in your ultimate "free market society" where they'll be able to set aside money for a tutor or proper home schooling supplies.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158780]If a family's having a hard time paying for food, I can't envision any scenario in your ultimate "free market society" where they'll be able to set aside money for a tutor or proper home schooling supplies.[/QUOTE] People are not incapable of teaching themselves. I know it is completely against your world view of utilitarian authoritarianism, but I've learned about many things all by myself because I'm a capable human being. Not only could they teach themselves but people in the community could pool resources together and hire a tutor to teach 10-15 kids and it would probably be less expensive. I'm also not rich.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32144321]Not really. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Letter_Mail_Company[/url] It is a legal monopoly, if anything, conservative or progressive you should wholeheartedly [i]disagree[/i] that we should have a legal monopoly and outlawed competition. Of course If it actually had competition without a socialized "free" method of sending mail, it'd go out of business immediately. That's why competition is illegal in the first place. [/QUOTE] You're linking to a 170 year old instance where the united states postal service shut someone to maintain their monopoly to show that the united states postal service is a monopoly today? what [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] The united states postal isn't a monopoly. UPS, Fedex, and DHL are testaments to that.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158819]People are not incapable of teaching themselves. I know it is completely against your world view of utilitarian authoritarianism, but I've learned about many things all by myself because I'm a capable human being. Not only could they teach themselves but people in the community could pool resources together and hire a tutor to teach 10-15 kids and it would probably be less expensive. I'm also not rich.[/QUOTE] So poor people should rely on themselves to become educated? How on earth is that a fair expectation? If you want to go on some "am I rich/poor" competition, I'll pass.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158846]So poor people should rely on themselves to become educated? How on earth is that a fair expectation? If you want to go on some "am I rich/poor" competition, I'll pass.[/QUOTE] Poor people are not incompetent by default. They're not nearly as stupid and helpless as you're making them out to be. It's a fair expectation because they're human beings and not retarded hapless animals.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158846]So poor people should rely on themselves to become educated? How on earth is that a fair expectation? If you want to go on some "am I rich/poor" competition, I'll pass.[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised what a community can do. I am sure there'd be comunity set-ups and gratis education on the basis of sharing time/assets as well as privatized education in such a case. [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] Because believe it or not, not everyone is a militant capitalist.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158627]I don't mind some things being "in common", like I said some things are simply non-exclusionary, schooling isn't one of those things that needs to be nationalized. It currently is and isn't, hard to explain, but it is evident it's a failure.[/QUOTE] No it's not. Education is done on a state by state basis and the federal department of education is one of the smallest in the government.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158875]Poor people are not incompetent by default. They're not nearly as stupid and helpless as you're making them out to be. It's a fair expectation because they're human beings and not retarded hapless animals.[/QUOTE] This is an impossible conversation, I'm going to be honest.
Wow sobeit. You're fucked up. You say first of all, that internet means education, then you say that 3 out of 4 americans have that. You then assume this means that all people can learn and be educated. Not all people CAN be homeschooled. Not all poor parents have the TIME to homeschool their kids between working several jobs. Private school? You must be fucking kidding me. And people giving out education for free? Maybe, unlikely beyond all doubts, but maybe. People here who simply wish to give the poor extra services at the small expense of the rest of us are not fucking evil like you wish to paint us. Those of us who believe in socialism are not fucking evil like you DO fucking paint us. And you'll deny it saying you give us every credence, but you don't. You act like what we want is despicable. No one thinks the poor are retarded fucking hapless animals. Except for you, because you imply we think that. We fucking don't. Your arrogance has gotten in the way of every half decent, half thought out point you have. Go wave your fucking cock elsewhere. it's only boring me now. [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jawalt;32158900]You'd be surprised what a community can do. I am sure there'd be comunity set-ups and gratis education on the basis of sharing time/assets as well as privatized education in such a case. [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] Because believe it or not, not everyone is a militant capitalist.[/QUOTE] Nope, but when charity is as ineffective as it is(Ever relied on it? Probably not, it's lame) why the fuck should people rely on it? Education is a right, being educated SHOULD be a right because without it, you're FUCKING FUCKED. Why right wingers seem to believe that getting an education is as easy as 1-2-3 is beyond me. Private schools cost more money than any poor person can pay. Yes, if the public education system was done away, all schools would be private. But would they REALLY compete enough? Have you ever attented a private school? I have, and it's incredibly expensive. My home town has a few that compete for students, yet, the prices? They're the same. Why? Because the same fucking conglomerate owns them all and charges similar prices for them. Yes, capitalism is fucking perfect.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32158819]People are not incapable of teaching themselves. I know it is completely against your world view of utilitarian authoritarianism, but I've learned about many things all by myself because I'm a capable human being. Not only could they teach themselves but people in the community could pool resources together and hire a tutor to teach 10-15 kids and it would probably be less expensive..[/QUOTE] ... Wow, really? "Utilitarian authoritarianism"? What does that even mean? Does it matter that some of the strongest advocates of public schooling in the late 1800s came from both "liberal" and "conservative" standpoints, that saw the institution as an important one for a modern society. Many of these 'resources" you use had to be developed somewhere- someone with an existing education, someone who used a grant to create it, someone who based their work off a publicly-funded university's findings, etc. I don't see how you can compare the postal service, an industry having issues due to advances in technology, with education, one that we will always have to deal with. Maybe in a developed nation like yours this may be possible, but my grandmother was born during the days of the Kingdom of Iraq when there was no public schooling, and it was by that same reasoning- that the community or mosque should be able to take care of these things, or that people should "help themselves", that she never learned to read or gain any other basic skills. She's well into her late 70s now and never learned how to read. Many of her children who were born into the post-Monarchy regime that instituted nation wide public schooling received this however. And it's not because she was stupid- she raised a family of 11 children on her own and survived the Saddam Anfal campaign, and she still surprises me with the knowledge she knows about making natural medicines- much more than my pharmacist can tell me at least. But she could have been so much more- a doctor, a professor, a lawyer... instead, an old woman who never realized what she could have been. Public schooling is one of the cornerstones of any modern society- the moment that is abandoned people will regress in time to the conditions of the Gilded Age of this country, or what is prevalent in much of the third world presently.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;32158917]No it's not. Education is done on a state by state basis and the federal department of education is one of the smallest in the government.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it was.... [QUOTE=Jawalt;32158900]You'd be surprised what a community can do. I am sure there'd be comunity set-ups and gratis education on the basis of sharing time/assets as well as privatized education in such a case. [editline]6th September 2011[/editline] Because believe it or not, not everyone is a militant capitalist.[/QUOTE] There's nothing inherently anti-capitalist about what you've just said. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32158924]This is an impossible conversation, I'm going to be honest.[/QUOTE] I'm going to lay it out and be frank. The educational system in this country is a failure, and most of the things I've learned were outside of the framework of institutional education completely. I run a software business, it's not the best in the world but it pays my bills. I didn't go to college for it, I certainly didn't learn any of it from K12 or High school. The most I did learn from High School was how to draft things, not that I didn't enjoy it but it didn't prove useful. I went to a semi-public admittance-only magnet school when I was a kid, it was still paid for publicly and it didn't require my parents pay the school but it was made for "promising" individuals. I did not take well to the system there, and the only people who did succeed there didn't succeed because they were particularly gifted, but they succeeded on the basis of their willingness to abide by the rules of the institution. Do homework or fail, never mind if you understand it or not. Dress code, assigned seating, it was more of a pre-high school than a standard public school. My point is, I suppose, is that when I was really [i]learning[/i] it wasn't in school. Did you learn about your ideology from school? I'm sure they gave you Das Kapital as a reading assignment, no? Learning the concept of reading comprehension, algebra, geometry, basic math, basic history is not something that needs to be institutionalized and needlessly complicated and repetitive. Admittedly, I'm biased against the school system. It may well have helped others where it has utterly failed me, but I don't doubt for one second that gifted people will be doomed to stupidity if it were not for institutionalized education. You're not attributing ability to succeed in education on any individual person, but rather the state institutions. You're actually crediting them for [i]making[/i] smart people. It's a flawed premise. [editline]e[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32158940]People here who simply wish to give the poor extra services at the small expense of the rest of us are not fucking evil like you wish to paint us. Those of us who believe in socialism are not fucking evil like you DO fucking paint us. And you'll deny it saying you give us every credence, but you don't. You act like what we want is despicable. No one thinks the poor are retarded fucking hapless animals. Except for you, because you imply we think that. We fucking don't.[/quote] Well when people insult how I've learned things, I tend to get offended. I'll agree with you, I agree that what you want is despicable. Not because you want it to be despicable, you desperately need it to be legitimized and you need to feel good about it. Results however, are not effected by altruistic intentions. There is far too great an emphasis on intentions in our society. Intentions are meaningless. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32158940]Your arrogance has gotten in the way of every half decent, half thought out point you have. Go wave your fucking cock elsewhere. it's only boring me now.[/quote] Rude. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32158940]Nope, but when charity is as ineffective as it is(Ever relied on it? Probably not, it's lame) why the fuck should people rely on it?[/quote] Yes I have relied on true, non-coerced charity before. I've also taken part in it, interesting how you marginalize people who would like to help outside of the scope of government. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32158940]Education is a right, being educated SHOULD be a right because without it, you're FUCKING FUCKED.[/quote] Define what a "right" is. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32158940]Why right wingers seem to believe that getting an education is as easy as 1-2-3 is beyond me.[/quote] You're right, it's not easy. It's also not so hard that we need to treat it like the military. Is education harder than manufacturing computers? On scale, how hard is it? What is easier? [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32158940]Private schools cost more money than any poor person can pay. Yes, if the public education system was done away, all schools would be private. But would they REALLY compete enough? Have you ever attented a private school? I have, and it's incredibly expensive.[/quote] You are aware public schooling has a direct impact on the prices of private schools?
[QUOTE=s0beit;32159046]I didn't say it was.... There's nothing inherently anti-capitalist about what you've just said. I'm going to lay it out and be frank. The educational system in this country is a failure, and most of the things I've learned were outside of the framework of institutional education completely. I run a software business, it's not the best in the world but it pays my bills. I didn't go to college for it, I certainly didn't learn any of it from K12 or High school. The most I did learn from High School was how to draft things, not that I didn't enjoy it but it didn't prove useful. I went to a semi-public admittance-only magnet school when I was a kid, it was still paid for publicly and it didn't require my parents pay the school but it was made for "promising" individuals. I did not take well to the system there, and the only people who did succeed there didn't succeed because they were particularly gifted, but they succeeded on the basis of their willingness to abide by the rules of the institution. Do homework or fail, never mind if you understand it or not. Dress code, assigned seating, it was more of a pre-high school than a standard public school. My point is, I suppose, is that when I was really [i]learning[/i] it wasn't in school. Did you learn about your ideology from school? I'm sure they gave you Das Kapital as a reading assignment, no? Learning the concept of reading comprehension, algebra, geometry, basic math, basic history is not something that needs to be institutionalized and needlessly complicated and repetitive. Admittedly, I'm biased against the school system. It may well have helped others where it has utterly failed me, but I don't doubt for one second that gifted people will be doomed to stupidity if it were not for institutionalized education. You're not attributing ability to succeed in education on any individual person, but rather the state institutions. You're actually crediting them for [i]making[/i] smart people. It's a flawed premise.[/QUOTE] I did form my ideological standing partly from at-length discussions I had with past history teachers and the like. Obviously this is not the only part of it, but I am very grateful for what public school allowed me to learn. I did learn a lot outside of the school environment, but that does not mean the things I learned in schools was not important.
The only thing national about education in the states is no child left behind and fuck that.
[QUOTE=MercZ;32159025]Wow, really? "Utilitarian authoritarianism"? What does that even mean?[/quote] Look up the two, then figure it out. [QUOTE=MercZ;32159025]Does it matter that some of the strongest advocates of public schooling in the late 1800s came from both "liberal" and "conservative" standpoints, that saw the institution as an important one for a modern society.[/quote] No, it doesn't matter. I don't worship people of political ideology and I argue on the merits of subject of the debate. [QUOTE=MercZ;32159025]Many of these 'resources" you use had to be developed somewhere- someone with an existing education, someone who used a grant to create it, someone who based their work off a publicly-funded university's findings, etc.[/quote] I hope you realize that what you've just said is also a fallacy. It's the same argument as "BUT YOU USE THE ROADS HERR HERR". [QUOTE=MercZ;32159025]I don't see how you can compare the postal service, an industry having issues due to advances in technology, with education, one that we will always have to deal with.[/quote] I don't remember how we got into this conversation either, I think Megafanx13 just wants to toss anti-libertarian zingers at me and is pulling out his/her full arsenal and changing topics like crazy in the hopes of tripping me up or getting me to stop posting. [QUOTE=MercZ;32159025]Maybe in a developed nation like yours this may be possible, but my grandmother was born during the days of the Kingdom of Iraq when there was no public schooling, and it was by that same reasoning- that the community or mosque should be able to take care of these things, or that people should "help themselves", that she never learned to read or gain any other basic skills. She's well into her late 70s now and never learned how to read. Many of her children who were born into the post-Monarchy regime that instituted nation wide public schooling received this however. And it's not because she was stupid- she raised a family of 11 children on her own and survived the Saddam Anfal campaign, and she still surprises me with the knowledge she knows about making natural medicines- much more than my pharmacist can tell me at least. But she could have been so much more- a doctor, a professor, a lawyer... instead, an old woman who never realized what she could have been. Public schooling is one of the cornerstones of any modern society- the moment that is abandoned people will regress in time to the conditions of the Gilded Age of this country, or what is prevalent in much of the third world presently.[/QUOTE] You say "Maybe in a developed nation like yours this may be possible" then go on to say "Public schooling is one of the cornerstones of any modern society", even if i accept your premise and I don't, you've just admitted that it isn't needed in an industrialized highly productive society.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32159270]I don't remember how we got into this conversation either, I think Megan just wants to toss anti-libertarian zingers at me and is pulling out his/her full arsenal and changing topics like crazy in the hopes of tripping me up or getting me to stop posting.[/QUOTE] You seem to get more and more condescending as the debate goes on.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32159350]You seem to get more and more condescending as the debate goes on.[/QUOTE] Well to be fair, I'm not the one that is constantly changing topics and forging replies that are completely divorced from the subject. You just chime in with things like "Monopolies!" and "Education isn't a right?" when we weren't even on those subjects.
[QUOTE=s0beit;32159046]I didn't say it was.... There's nothing inherently anti-capitalist about what you've just said. I'm going to lay it out and be frank. The educational system in this country is a failure, and most of the things I've learned were outside of the framework of institutional education completely. I run a software business, it's not the best in the world but it pays my bills. I didn't go to college for it, I certainly didn't learn any of it from K12 or High school. The most I did learn from High School was how to draft things, not that I didn't enjoy it but it didn't prove useful. I went to a semi-public admittance-only magnet school when I was a kid, it was still paid for publicly and it didn't require my parents pay the school but it was made for "promising" individuals. I did not take well to the system there, and the only people who did succeed there didn't succeed because they were particularly gifted, but they succeeded on the basis of their willingness to abide by the rules of the institution. Do homework or fail, never mind if you understand it or not. Dress code, assigned seating, it was more of a pre-high school than a standard public school. My point is, I suppose, is that when I was really [i]learning[/i] it wasn't in school. Did you learn about your ideology from school? I'm sure they gave you Das Kapital as a reading assignment, no? Learning the concept of reading comprehension, algebra, geometry, basic math, basic history is not something that needs to be institutionalized and needlessly complicated and repetitive. Admittedly, I'm biased against the school system. It may well have helped others where it has utterly failed me, but I don't doubt for one second that gifted people will be doomed to stupidity if it were not for institutionalized education. You're not attributing ability to succeed in education on any individual person, but rather the state institutions. You're actually crediting them for [i]making[/i] smart people. It's a flawed premise. [editline]e[/editline] Well when people insult how I've learned things, I tend to get offended. I'll agree with you, I agree that what you want is despicable. Not because you want it to be despicable, you desperately need it to be legitimized and you need to feel good about it. Results however, are not effected by altruistic intentions. There is far too great an emphasis on intentions in our society. Intentions are meaningless. Rude. Yes I have relied on true, non-coerced charity before. I've also taken part in it, interesting how you marginalize people who would like to help outside of the scope of government. Define what a "right" is. You're right, it's not easy. It's also not so hard that we need to treat it like the military. Is education harder than manufacturing computers? On scale, how hard is it? What is easier? You are aware public schooling has a direct impact on the prices of private schools?[/QUOTE] I grew up in a private school. I attented one until grade 8. [quote]Do homework or fail, never mind if you understand it or not. Dress code, assigned seating, it was more of a pre-high school than a standard public school. My point is, I suppose, is that when I was really [i]learning[/i] it wasn't in school. Did you learn about your ideology from school? I'm sure they gave you Das Kapital as a reading assignment, no? [/quote] Considering the school I went to was considered one of the finest in the area, and that's EXACTLY what happened there, I think you're just letting your bias turn your decisions. Oh cool, thanks for calling it despicable. I guess wanting to actually educate people is a despicable thing when I don't want to bleed them dry for it. The US constitution says each citizen is guaranteed "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" or something to that very effect. If healthcare, education, and protection(police, fire department) aren't available to you, you sure as hell don't have access to those things nearly as much as you'd like to pretend you would. And I don't believe you'd advocate for a return to private fire departments and private police departments/PMC's. Cool, I've relied on food banks and on student loans and government help for the last few years because I literally can afford school or food on my own, I choose school. If the government didn't have the ability to step in here, I couldn't GO to school. I couldn't find liberty, or happiness because all of the avenues available to me are closed. Now, maybe in a super ultra capitalist dream, someone like me, a relatively poor person, would just die out because I can afford one, or the other. You talk about how intentions mean nothing, and how my intentions are daft or how I simply want to do this for a reason I don't have(Trust me, whatever you want to say, that's not why I want to do it, why I want it "legitimized"), but what are your intentions? To take away a support system that maybe not all use, but that through the use of a few, all are benefited? Either way, society is burdened by people, but what benefit is it when a vast populous is incapable of education because they have no means to it? Oh, yes, I "marginalize" them. [b]Because they aren't marginal anyways, right?[/b] The help that's given by charities and what not is needed, useful, and shouldn't go away, nor will it. But you seem to be under the delusion that these groups are massive, effective, and well funded, or even would be well funded if there was no government involvement. They are great, but they're not the only solution or even the best one. No. I won't. Why? Because you'll define it your way covering what you want it to cover, and I won't define it your way and you'll just call me stupid, but why the fuck do I care what YOU think? Schools treated like the military? News to me boyo. I won't defend the DoE as it is, it's in need of massive reform as is the entire scholastic system of the US. But that system isn't a trade for private schools. There's no dangers from private schools? There's no problems with them? They're the flawless answer? Yes, i'm aware of that. That doesn't change the fact that these schools are fucking expensive. That's not going to change just because now they have more open registration due to no government competition. They're still a business. Money is in the end, all they care about. And I really don't care how rude that is. That's EXACTLY what you do. I'll be rude, but I'll be right.
this argument isn' really connecting any dots here maybe for you guys it might be enough to simple squabble about rhetoric but why we should incapacitate ourselves just for the notion of not having public education is a question you should ask yourselves, same with the post-office. it is an incapacitation because there is nothing like it and there is no replacement. the home-school concept is an absolute dream and defeating the point of social schools and you'd hardly find anyone take internet schooling seriously even though that's one of the reasons to go to a good school. too much rhetoric and philosophical nonsense, not enough reality and practice.
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